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Hyperbole which is another term for...
Hello again, tom:
What particular part of democracy do you NOT understand?? The bill was PASSED into law. Any negotiations should have occurred then. If you didn't have a majority to WARRANT being negotiated WITH, you should have won a few more races.Quote:
I guess it doesn't bother you at all that the emperor is willing to get on the horn and talk to the "moderate " President of Iran ,but has not done any negotiating with Capitol Hill at all over this so called impending fiscal crisis ?
So, the bill was passed into law. The Supreme Court said it was Constitutional. That's how our system is designed to work, and that's what happened. Therefore, according to OUR system of government, there's NO negotiations available.
Now, you can SNIVEL, and you can SQUEAL, but Obamacare is LAW!!
Excon
Bs .the law has been modified by decree many times already ,even after the SCOTUS decision . The most recent one was the emperor deciding on his own that Congress had a subsidy that was not written into the law. Is that fair? I don't think so. At the very least, that subsidy should have passed by Congress, the legislative body the last time that I read the US Constitution.
Did the "law of the land" include that when it was presented to The Supreme Court? No, it was added by executive decree, along with all of the waivers.
The left cracks me up . How many times have they worked to amend and change laws they don't agree with ? But any law they approve of is somehow codified on stone tablets for all time . It don't work that way and you know it .
You are right Tom, anything this president and congress (or a mayor) does is subject to change in the next election. That is the way it works. Nothing is written in stone.Quote:
The left cracks me up . How many times have they worked to amend and change laws they don't agree with ? But any law they approve of is somehow codified on stone tablets for all time . It don't work that way and you know it .
That makes your argument MOOT.
What you think I didn't beeyatch through Nixon, Reagan and the Bushes? Yeah I did, for all the good it did. Enjoy your turn at beeyatching.
Nahh ;your side did much more than "beeyatching. " . They actively promoted and crafted legislation... working to change laws they didn't like and stalling agendas of the President. That is what opposition parties do, You just think it's strange that we don't all goose step at the emperor's command .
Hello again,
Many of our competitors are burdened with having to pay for their employees health care. So, if our employers no longer have to pay for health care, wouldn't that make them more competitive on the world markets?
Why isn't that a good thing?
excon
DO you think its free? Who exactly do you think pays for it?Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
And exactly where has the government proven to be efficient at anything... besides wasting money?
It is a good thing ex, those slave workers in Bangladesh that have taken the exported jobs don't get health coverage. If you want to be competitive you have to stop the B/S and stop paying yourselves too much. You also have to get a different system because the one you have is proving unsustainable. The question becomes how many of your workers contribute to export industries, you might find it is a surprisingly small percentage so why should you sacrifice a benefit for improving the lot of a few. You shot yourself in the foot when you let your industries go offshore, so now you need new industries and forget the old. We had to do it, you have to do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
What, you're excusing greedy corporations for dumping employees on the exchanges? Those heartless b@stards.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Btw, told my son this morning he would have to get insurance or pay a fine, he wasn't happy. He's really not going to be happy when his $95 penalty jumps to $695 a couple of years from now. For a family of four that penalty can be $2,085. And in 10 years the CBO estimates that 31 million people will still be without insurance, so yeah, Obamacare is AWESOME!
If he has his own computer he can shop on line. Today. He has until April to actually buy something.
You don't get it, he doesn't want to buy insurance and now he has to or get fined. What, you really think everyone just can't wait for Zerocare to kick in?Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Then give him 95 bucks and hope he doesn't get into an accident. What's the big deal? Obey the law or don't. Lots of things I don't like, but have to obey the law. So do you.
More of your "live and let live" motto in action.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
I am hearing that the software isn't working... what the emperor calls "glitches " .Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
President Obama: Expect months of 'glitches' - POLITICO.com
The exchange software, which costs taxpayers $88 million, still can’t correctly calculate the amount of subsidies that an individual applicant is eligible for. I think Speech's son should apply for the max subsidy.. He may get his health care for free .
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-uWDjt4N_sL...alt-small1.png
Do I really have to add within the law to every post, opinion, or comment?Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Every new app/technology has glitches to work out, challenging yes, doable of course. Ask Microsoft or Apple. And then we have a learning curve to learn how to use it, and the people will judge so stop crying. But I guess we can expect hollering from the right over everything after one day. I mean you have been hollering for 5 years already about everything.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Sure, it sounds better than "nyah, nyah, get over it bucko, we won."Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Dude, they had all these years to be ready and rolled out Microsoft Bob.Quote:
Every new app/technology has glitches to work out, challenging yes, doable of course. Ask Microsoft or Apple. And then we have a learning curve to learn how to use it, and the people will judge so stop crying. But I guess we can expect hollering from the right over everything after one day. I mean you have been hollering for 5 years already about everything.
Smoothy sure does epitomize the right-wingers.
And for those who still believe its free and they can get something for nothing...
http://poundthedrum.com/file_upload/...ures4_2160.jpg
Your graph on Ontario wait times is completely false and meaningless - for which surgical procedures?
Where is your source?
I can point you to the exact current source but I'd rather wait for yours first just to see.
Its on the graph.
Graph is wrong then. Where did the graphic come from?
You didn't do your own research for the facts? You just copy/paste a picture?
Oh... so if it shows the Canadian system for what it is... its fake... but if its propaganda... then it is real?Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Care to explain why the Prime Minister paid for surgery in the USA if your system was such the envy of the world?"
I checked wait times for various surgeries and procedures. That chart is either grossly out of date or has been tweaked to make Ontario look bad. I checked the official Canadian Ministry wait time site.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
The wait times are much less than those on the graph and even better than current U.S. wait times.
During my breast cancer adventure in 2009 and after tons of research about my particular situation, I had requested and was allowed the Canadian protocol for radiation treatments (Canadian 16 treatments vs. U.S. 35 treatments). Because of my research and discussion with their cancer committee, my hospital is now individualizing breast cancer radiation treatments and giving patients options instead of a "one size fits all" treatment. Thank you, Canada!
(That chart is from rightwingpatriot.com.)
It doesn't - it's false propaganda that you are disseminating.Quote:
so if it shows the Canadian system for what it is
BS... and I suppose this article is false propaganda tooQuote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Canadian Health Care In Crisis - CBS News
http://www2.macleans.ca/2013/02/19/w...ast-in-line-2/
http://www.heritage.org/research/lec...e-but-shouldnt
How about finding current information. This was back on February 11, 2009.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
November 10, 2004Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Its still valid...Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
And more proof of horrific wait times for treatment... well horrific if you are used to getting things done when you need them in the USA anyway.
http://www.fraserinstitute.org/uploa...-turn-2012.pdf
Of course you would find a survey by a shill for oil companies and rich energy guys.
Better than propaganda from someone with an agenda to make it look better than it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
But then you believe Obamas propaganda on Obamacare... like he has any motive to be honest about it?
The above does not make much sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Can you explain to me how propaganda from someone who wants to make things worse then they are is better propaganda when it comes from someone who wants to make things look better than they are?
Hello again:
I don't know if Obama ever said "I WON", to the Republicans, as in he's going to DO what he wants... That would be unbelievably arrogant of him, since he hadn't passed a single bill YET...
But that was then, and this is NOW. Today, I think it would be PERFECTLY appropriate to tell the Republicans, the ACA IS the LAW. Let's move on.
That WOULDN'T be arrogant at all. It would BE the TRUTH.
excon
If you actually lived on this side of the planet... it would be obvious what I said... your distance from the problem means you won't see it the way those of us who see it everyday will. Just as we won't see the issues in Australia in the same way you will.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuttyd
Hello smoothy:
In other words, you got nothing.Quote:
If you actually lived on this side of the planet... it would be obvious what I said...
Excon
Nope... its absolutely obvious to anyone who can think that lives here...Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
But it won't be to someone on the other side of the Planet.
smoothy gets called on nonsense and asked to explain - as usual can't explain it and goes on the offensive insulting people. Same stuff, different day.
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