You really think a $770 / mo. premium plan was a bare bones policy?Quote:
I still ask if you have junk insurance or a bare bones policy and NEVER use it, how do you know you like it?
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You really think a $770 / mo. premium plan was a bare bones policy?Quote:
I still ask if you have junk insurance or a bare bones policy and NEVER use it, how do you know you like it?
Hello again, tom:
MANY of the policies sold in right wing controlled states, certainly MIGHT be bare bones at that price. In those states, the QUALITY of a policy is NOT related to its price.Quote:
You really think a $770 / mo. premium plan was a bare bones policy?
By the way, those are the states where you think EVERY American should buy their insurance... Fortunately, SOME states have insurance commissioners who believe the CONSUMERS of insurance are their constituency, whereas in RIGHT WING states, the insurance commissioner is there FOR the insurance companies..
excon
Why would I want to buy a policy in that state if there was no savings in the reduced coverage plans . Your argument makes no sense. Now Fla, did indeed have bare bones plans . But the people who purchased them paid around $100/month or less ,not over $700 .
What your talking about has nothing to do with Obamacare. What we the people recieved had nothing to do with democracy. It had everything to do with a ruler forcing his will in his subjects.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Was it debated from the begining? No! Was it read before it was passed ? No ! Was it explained to the people with transparency ? No !
Hardly democratic at all. You guys need to put down that blunt and stop smoking the bs and come back to reality.
Tal, I can see the veins popping out of your neck. Don't get mad at us for sharing what the media has finally discovered, Obamacare isn't such a great deal and Americans are not happy that you're hitting them hard in the wallet for things they don't want and don't need.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Stop pretending you know what's better for us than we do. It's really quite arrogant and insulting.
Amen, brother.Quote:
Originally Posted by cdad
Who pays $770 a month for health insurance?
Many people will be paying much more under the Unaffordable Health Care Act . I pay almost $400 with my employer contributing the majority of the rate .Then again ,here in NY the idiots who make the regulations made sure we were covered for everything that Obamacare mandates and more.
Turns out you can't keep your doctor either .
A Stage-4 Gallblader Cancer Survivor Says: I Am One of ObamaCare's Losers - WSJ.com
But, but, but...
http://twitter.com/WhiteHouse/status...485184/photo/1
Good thing everyone has contraception coverage and their insurance can't drop them if they get sick. Too darn bad they don't have a doctor any more.
Second major health insurer pulls out of California market
All the companies are getting out of the individual insurance market which represents 5% of the insurance buying public. Servicing plans that could be grandfathered under the law, is not profitable even though it has made companies billions just in California. I linked this before but was of course discounted because it doesn't meet the right wing narrative.Quote:
"One of the factors I believe contributed to this decision, even if the two companies are disinclined to acknowledge it, is the special tax break that California law gives to Anthem Blue Cross and Blue Shield, which has allowed and continues to allow those two companies to avoid paying $100 million in state taxes a year," added Commissioner Jones. "Aetna and United Healthcare don't get the special tax break provided to Anthem Blue Cross and Blue Shield, and so they faced a major competitive disadvantage in California."
Aetna had approximately 60,000 people covered by individual policies as of March 31, 2013, and it projects it will have approximately 50,000 people covered by individual policies at the end of 2013, when the company exits the individual market. United Healthcare, through its subsidiary PacifiCare, had approximately 10,000 individual policyholders late in 2012. Policyholders from both companies have been informed they can keep their existing health insurance until December 31, 2013. Aetna and United Healthcare policyholders will be able to purchase health insurance from other health insurers inside and outside the new California health benefits exchange.
You guys weren't pissed when people were routinely kicked off insurance coverage before, so why the hell are you pissed off now? Why have you gotten past this knee jerk narrative and asked the insurance company why they have decide to abandon this market I the first place?
Why ignore the obvious? For every bad story you have you have ignored the 10 stories of people who have already benefited from the new law, despite bad practices of the past by insurance companies. Now all of a sudden they are your heroes that are victims of liberal ideas. Give me a break with your right wing lies, and half truths. It's the insurance companies that are practicing greed and they always have.
Dude, the only one with a knee jerk narrative is you who are in denial of the current reality. It's your compliant media that's reporting these "right wing lies and half truths," so stop taking it out on us for them finally doing there job. For that one who lost their doctor or can no longer afford the coverage they had this is very real and I'm sure they aren't very happy with you dismissing their concerns.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
We wouldn't have this problem with balancing the needs of the 15%, against the needs of the 5%, if we eliminated the for profit middle man and we all had the same insurance from the get go. Now that's equal.
We wouldn't have squat if people can't make a profit for their product. Why are you so against profits?
You ain't got squat now because pofits go up, and wages don't. Of course we know that's what you want, even though YOUR wages haven't gone up either.
Then why didn't the Dems pass that ? Because they know in a situation where there are alternatives ,state controlled single payer heath care is DOA in this country . So you set up this scam that is designed to kill the insurance industry first. I sat in a town hall meeting and heard my Dem Congressman all but admit that fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Hello again, tom:
I don't know much about politics, but I don't think FAILING on their signature piece of legislation is a good strategy for achieving what they actually want.. Only in the minds of right wingers, would this be true.Quote:
So you set up this scam that is designed to kill the insurance industry first.
excon
I guess EX hasn't found out how much his rates are going to skyrocket yet... or how high his deductibles are going up as one of the self employed who must buy individucal policies...
Assuming he's been honest with us about that part.
Seniors in NY in Medicare Advantage can't keep their doctor either
The seniors getting hurt by Obamacare - NY Daily News
Hello smoothy, fuktard:
What??? I'm gonna explain myself you to you, a$$hole???? Who the fuk do you think you are???Quote:
Assuming he's been honest with us about that part.
excon
I'm guessing you don't actually have your own business then?Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
I never claimed to.......
Hello again, tom:
I have Medicare Advantage. I'm keeping my doctor. My state has NOTHING to do with that coverage. Me theenks NY doesn't either.Quote:
Seniors in NY in Medicare Advantage can't keep their doctor either
excon
Okay wingers it's real simple NOBODY, not even the states can afford rising cost of making insurance company's RICH.
Until you face that fact, you just don't know what you are talking about no matter who you blame. Insurance companies have been doing this crap for DECADES, and now all of a sudden you are their best buddies and protectors.
If you ain't stupid and loud, then you are crazy and loud. Keep hollering, but its obvious you have no solutions, just more of the same.
And Tom, if we had the votes for single payer, we would have it NOW, but we will.
I see Koolaid has been doing a booming business in certain regions.
Since their signature legislation could not pass ;they muscled through what they could and threw in the poison pill that is sure to collapse the health insurance industry... leaving America little choice but to accept the socialist solution... It's the Fabian socialists way of doing things... When they can't get the whole enchilada ,they settle for incremental advances ;always keeping their eye on the ultimate goal.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Hello again, tom:
What have you been smoking??Quote:
leaving America little choice but to accept the socialist solution.
Look.. I dunno who's been telling you that, but if Obamacare FAILS, NOBODY will give the Democrats a second chance. That would be NOBODY. Ted Cruz will NEVER let that happen, and this time he'll have the backing of the ENTIRE GOP - YOU included.
We'll go back to what we had or WORSE, and Ted Cruz will BE the next president.
excon
Obviously this disaster we warned about coming to fruition is causing the true believers to come unhinged. Don't blame us, blame the morons that gave it to us. That's what you get when your signature accomplishment is based on an applause line and lies.
The only votes you had was based on the big lie about being able to keep your insurance and doctor if you like them.Quote:
And Tom, if we had the votes for single payer, we would have it NOW, but we will.
Okay he lied to 5%, and told the truth to 95%. Bet your average ain't as good as his.
He lied to 100%... and he lied about everything.
I think he lied about graduating college too... since nobody has seen his transcripts.
During the emperor's September 2009 joint session address to Congress on Obamacare, he said that “I am not the first President to take up this cause, but I am determined to be the last.” But when the bill passed, he insisted that it was only a critical “first step” to overhauling the system.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
I wonder if the "True believers" hawk AMWAY products too.
He knew you would holler about ANY step and realizes he has to go slow with you guys and the facts dragging you along kicking and screaming was one HUGE project.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
This guy nails it.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
How Obama went from bulls–t to dishonesty | New York Post
We're tired of being lied to by this guy.
You tired of being lied to by politicians? Start a revolution. Use those guns you have been storing for just such an occasion. You know why you won't do it, because you have too much to loose. Reality is things just aren't that bad, now are they? All right, you are being forced in a direction you don't want to go. When it happened here forty years ago I thought it was a bad thing too. Mind you we had a different take on it but the outcome was the same, someone was going to pay more for basic health care and those with lots of money were going to pay lots. Time resolved this and even the doctors grew to use it without whinging. The specialists are still outside the system doing what they do best, making money, but the poor have their needs taken care of.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
We were lied to by one of our own in 1992 . GHW Bush made a very clear promise to not raise taxes . He lied . Because of that ,his base either did not show up ,or voted for Ross Perot . Had he kept his promise ,Bush would've had a 2nd term.Clearly Tal and the Obots support the emperor's deception.
Exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Now you are blaming Bush in 1992?
Republicans lied, so surprise, surprise oh wait, politicians lied no surprise at all
Democrats actually have an adversion to the facts and to truth in general.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
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