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No, YOU used the word then are trying to pass off that he said, he never did.Quote:
You'll have to grill ex about this alleged plan, it's his post, not mine.
The "revolution crap" is the context of the article I posted.
Geez, no wonder no productive discussions ever occur here.
Try to keep up. Irelevant. Grow up. Troll. Ankle biter. Go away.
Ethics in Journalism - Plagiarism & Fabrication Scandals
Trust little you read in newspapers...
Dude, it's your problem if you can't keep from looking like a fool. I tried to help you avoid that but you just won't give up. Live with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Ok, I'll try to live with live it. Thanks for helping... you rock!
Got to go back to my regularly scheduled work and family now. I guess you'll be staying here all day?
Nutty new NRA president Jim Porter still fighting war against 'Northern Aggression' - NY Daily News
Is this mandatory military service?Quote:
He also advocates training all U.S. civilians to use standard military firearms so “they’re ready to fight tyranny.”
Last I checked advocating is not compulsion.
The left fears people knowing how to defend themselves... might harm a few of their friends during a robbery.
No, the left fears people think they need to defend themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Well that's rather stupid. The left doesn't think people need to defend themselves?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Music store owner shoots burglar dead after his wife was hit with wooden club in store invasion
Always the putdown. Is it because I respond at all? Because I am female? Because I don't agree with you?Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Defend... from imaginary threats.
Um, I'm not the one imagining threats. The subject of my response was the same same as yours, :"the left." Are you the left?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
The left thinks the people who need to defend themselves but don't want to be safer by more comprehensive background checks to weed out criminals and nut jobs are loony and paranoid.
I mean worrying about an armed conflict with the government (or zombies) is loony, and a door to door mass confiscation of guns from American citizens is paranoid.
Makes one wonder about those Americans with guns already.
FYI... gun crime is DOWN dramatically over the last 20 years, not according to the NRA but the Bureau of Justice statistics:Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
And this stat is just for you my friend:Quote:
WASHINGTON–Firearm-related homicides declined 39 percent and nonfatal firearm crimes declined 69 percent from 1993 to 2011, the Justice Department’s Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) announced today. Firearm-related homicides dropped from 18,253 homicides in 1993 to 11,101 in 2011, and nonfatal firearm crimes dropped from 1.5 million victimizations in 1993 to 467,300 in 2011.
And according to Pew, most Americans are unaware that gun crime is down so dramatically. That doesn't fit the left's hysterical narrative.Quote:
In 2004 (the most recent year of data available), among state prison inmates who possessed a gun at the time of the offense, fewer than two percent bought their firearm at a flea market or gun show. About 10 percent of state prison inmates said they purchased it from a retail store or pawnshop, 37 percent obtained it from family or friends, and another 40 percent obtained it from an illegal source.
See my last post, your hysterics have been exposed for what they are, nonsense.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
The Zombie fearing crowd are Democrats.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
There are over 20,000 gun laws on the books now most of which are ignored... why does the left thing more are going to change anything.
Its illegal for Democrats to be arming the drug cartels... but they are doing it and nobody has been arrested or impeached for it yet.
I would also say that anyone, left or right, may well fear a situation whereby self protection becomes some sort of prerequisite for living in a community. Some people may well be happy with such a requirement, but no everyone wants to be put into this situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
So no, it isn't a stupid claim. In fact it is a sensible claim.
I commented on what was said, not what wasn't said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuttyd
Hello again, Steve:
What's stupid, is to say that black is white... As in, going through a background check MEANS people can't defend themselves..Quote:
Well that's rather stupid. The left doesn't think people need to defend themselves?
Excon
Its all stupid no zombie is going to pass a background check
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Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Wondergirl's quote was in response to Smoothy:
"The left fear people knowing how to defend themselves..."
Wondergirl reponded:
"No, the left fears people who* think they need to defend themselves."
* I am assuming that this word was omitted.
She made a sensible response in the context of the conservation. Hence my response.
Everyone has the right to defend themselves... and no lefty has the right to decide who can or when.
After all its the left that murders over 20 million babies a year then argues convicted murderers and other criminals have a "right" to life.
Hello again, smoothy:
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Everyone has the right to defend themselves... and no lefty has the right to decide who can or when.
Do you want to argue with me about what the words mean?Quote:
What's stupid, is to say that black is white... As in, going through a background check MEANS people can't defend themselves..
Excon
I assume this is in response to my post.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Show me where in my responses I am denying anyone of this right.
This is irrelevant to the issue under discussion.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Not really... its the stated position of the same people who are against the average citizen who has the right to defend themselves and their property.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuttyd
Until the Supreme court struck down Washington, DC's illegal antigun laws... it was common for a homeowner who shot an intruder in their own home during a robbery or home invasion to be charged for MORE time for having an unregistered gun than the repeat offender criminal would be with their illegal gun in the commission of a crime..
The added word doesn't make it any more sensible, Tut. Thinking one needs to defend themselves, their families, their property is NORMAL, thinking otherwise is NUTS. If she had said what you did I'd have a different answer, but that is not what she said.
I don't think anyone is suggesting that defending themselves is anything but normal. To think otherwise is crazy.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
My point is this:
From the information provided via the conservation thus far, it is not possible to conclude that Wondergirl is actually supporting the idea that people should not be allowed to defend themselves.
You can show otherwise?
Nobody has said you don't have a right to protect yourselves, or take away your guns. That's you guys making a common sense thing like trust but verify into an issue that serve no ones best interest but the ones who can't pass a background check because they don't have too.
Get over yourselves my gosh and stop being fed by the gun manufacturer and think of yourself and your neighbor with the crazy nephew, or the ex convict with a stupid girlfriend or the millions of people who take money from a dope dealer to buy guns. Or even consider the guy who sells his guns to anyone with cash, off the books.
Yeah the way you want to exercise your rights suck. You even want to protect foreign arms dealers and what good does that do when they sell to people for cash to overthrow the law where ever?
Wake up why don't you and stop making it so easy to break the law and kill people.
Remember YOUR President and Messiah was giving thousands of guns to the Mexican Drug Cartels... and he and Erik Holder are still not in jail for doing it. WHere were the background checks THEY were supposed to be doing? Or are they above those laws too?
If you or me gave ONE gun to a criminal... we would be rotting in jail before the sun sets.
I made no suggestion she was. I made it clear that the subject of my comment was the same as hers, "the left." Seeing as how she stated earlier that she is a "registered Republican" I believe we were both referring to OTHERS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuttyd
But go ahead, keep trying to find something that isn't there.
WG has no problem with people wanting to defend themselves. There are guns of all types in her house, and she is okay with that. They are safely locked up (finally!) and have been used correctly (so far). She herself learned how to handle a gun and shoot around the age of 10. WG DOES have a problem with paranoia, meaning people who have to own lots of guns because they think they have to be fully armed and be able to defend themselves from boogeymen that don't exist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuttyd
I don't know about the stated position of some people. I was assuming you were responding to my post. If this was the case then I am not against self-protection.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Again, I don't know about the type of justice administered in these particular circumstances. Documentary evidence would be useful.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Actually its wasn't a direct response to your post...Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuttyd
As far as Documentary evidence...
Google them up including Washington Post and Washington Times (the Two major DC newspapers) in the search query and the results will be numerous. And far from complete... because only what was printed will show up... there were innumerous comments by TV news anchors belittling the homeowner for not letting the police deal with it when faced by an armed intruder. Saw so many over the nearly 30 years I've been in this area it nauseated me. And one of the reasons you couldn't PAY me enough to live in DC. And its one of the reasons I moved to Virginia rather than MD when I returned from Europe. I lived in MD before going to Europe after College..
I don't fault you from not being aware of that... as you don't live in this country much less this area... but its extremely well known and they even gloated over the fact for years on the TV and radio news.
Also it was standard practice to threaten them publicly that charges were being considered... fewer charges were actually ever made.
Yes, the subject was the left.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
"Well that's rather stupid. The left doesn't think people need to defend themselves?"
This is a guilt by association fallacy. In other words, it is an attack on a person because of the possible similarities between their views and other people (the left) who are are putting forward a particular point of view.
Do you ever just talk or just come to analyze me, tom and smoothy?
HOW or WHY or IN WHAT CONTEXT you say something is often more interesting than WHAT you say.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
And ASSUMPTIONS and ASSIGNING motives that aren't there is counterproductive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
That is why we ask and challenge and comment.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
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Originally Posted by Wondergirl
That's what you do too, hence, this is on a Discussion board.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
I think we ask and challenge for different reasons.
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