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Hello again, Steve:
And, I run a business. You're a good liberal, and I'm a good conservative.Quote:
Again with that lie, I feed at least 9 people every day plus what my tax dollars do.
Nonetheless, your PARTY is the selfish party. MY party, is the share in the wealth party.
excon
As we speak the rich guys are happily counting money as the Dow reaches 16,000, and you are trying to feed 9 people off your meager earnings that have reached any higher for a decade.
What's wrong with that picture?
It is not sharing if you're taking from one to give to another. It's not a difficult concept to understand. But thank you both for validating my football analogy.Next time one of you is beating me in fantasy football I as the generous benevolent commissioner will take some of your points and give to my team.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Hello again, Steve:
If you can enlist a majority of the powers that be to change the rules, then go ahead...Quote:
I as the generous benevolent commissioner will take some of your points and give to my team.
But, it's those pesky mechanical things about running the country that escape you. You seem to think the Democrats threw you on the ground and TOOK stuff from you. But, the laws that allowed them to DO that, were PASSED in congress, and signed by the president. That ONLY happens when a MAJORITY of the people WANT it. THAT is how it works here.
You DO understand the word MAJORITY, don't you??? Even IF you're NOT a member of the majority, when the majority SPEAKS, you're INCLUDED. When we say THE people spoke, YOU'RE included. I know you don't like that. Bummer for you.
excon
I guess you should go for itQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
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You didn't sing that tune when you were in the minority, but hey the law is the law. Doesn't make it right OR fair does it? Especially when The Liar so brazenly picks and chooses what laws he wants to enforce and laws he wants to disregard or change by executive fiat without that congressional approval..Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
We don't do that here. We raise taxes on those lying job creators until they do their job. But you guys besides losing elections despite all that loot, are still protecting them.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
They must pay the henchmen very well. What! You do the dirty work for free! :(
Or are you hoping to make a first class nation into a third world country? That wouldn't surprise me at all.
See Venezuela, Greece, etc. etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
lol the progressive Dems are eyeball deep in protectionism and corporate give-aways despite their phony populist rhetoric. Again ;it was conservatives and some libertarians that cast votes against TARP ,and the budget busting stimulus .Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Well Tom letting everything collapse and have everybody losing everything was just not a better idea, and it was more far reaching than just our country. Why would you wish ruin on everyone?
That was just speculation. I say that failure is a good part of the capitalist system. A 'moral hazard' is a situation where a party will have a tendency to take risks because the costs that could incur will not be felt by the party . In other words ,there was a general understanding that if the sh*t hit the fan ,that the government would invoke this bs 'too big to fail' and use the power of government to keep the insitutions afloat . Had there been instead an understanding that bad business decisions would put them out of business ,then they would've been more cautious in their approach. But that wouldn't have served the gvt either since it was the gvt that compelled them to take irrational risk in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
My version is it was robbery through fraud, knowingly selling a defective product. Collusion between banks and rating agencies on a global scale... GREED. As the dust settles after the shock, they will be held accountable. Slowly but surely.
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Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Your "real world" view is precisely the problem. In the world professional sports equal opportunity is all important to elite athletes. You are given every opportunity to prove you can compete with the best. Coaches pick the best possible team from the players available. If you are not up to the standard then you don't get picked.
When it comes to life skills and success at living there are some people who could be considered 'elite'. They are the most successful and most prosperous members of society.
Some people want to play professional football because they believe they have the skills to be successful. Everyone has to play the game of life. We have no choice. All humans and far from equal in that regard. Some people in our society no matter how hard they try will never be successful at the game of life.
The analogy doesn't work
Socialism... its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery
(Churchill )
And the preferred way of life would be?Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Where liberty is, there is my country.
(Benjamin Franklin )
The whole quote is:Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
The main vice of capitalism is the uneven distribution of prosperity. The main vice of socialism is the even distribution of misery.
He may have used that quote also but the complete Churcill quote I referenced is :
Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.
Not on this side of the equatorQuote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
(Tutty)
It's all in a definition Tutt, what Churchill was speaking of was communism. Socialism is a society organised to bring the greater good to as many as possible whereas capitalism is a society organised to bring the greater good to those possessing the means of production.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuttyd
Our implementation of liberal values and socialist economic theory has indeed brought the greater good to the greatest number without stopping capitalistic endeavour. Tom doesn't realise that such things are possible, for him it is all or nothing
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