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Originally Posted by talaniman

National registration with a biometric ID.

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Central control and eliminate individual privacy. No thanks.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Central control and eliminate individual privacy. No thanks.

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So we stick with state control, and eliminate voter rights? So much for working together.

Biometric cards would be as safe as a credit card, or debit card.

Breaking NEWS

The National Memo Pennsylvania Supreme Court Demands Review Of Voter ID Restrictions

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

SCOTUS has already said the MINIMAL burden of presenting ID is constitutional once, what makes you think it's going to do anything to reverse that from whatever viewpoint you think they're going to consider?

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Hello again, Steve:

Remember that concept that you couldn't get.. Here's how the judges on the state Supreme Court SIMPLIFIED the issue.

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The high court has requested Judge Simpson’s opinion by October 2. If Simpson finds that the ID’s can be easily obtained, and voters will have no difficulty casting a ballot on Election Day, then the state Supreme Court will let the law stand.

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As we've been saying, it's NOT the ID... It's the PROCESS.

Excon

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Originally Posted by talaniman

So we stick with state control, and eliminate voter rights? So much for working together.

Biometric cards would be as safe as a credit card, or debit card.

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Yes, voter fraud and voter suppression are two sides of the same coin.

I know some people are ideologically opposed to the idea, but the only solution to Federal elections is a top down approach.

Tut

Because central controlled governments never have issues with the integrity of the franchise ?

What?

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Originally Posted by paraclete

What?

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Hi Clete,

I think he means that under the current system there exists the opportunity for the states to favour one candidate over another. Tom is skeptical that a centralized system would eliminate this problem.



Tut

Reference Hugo Chavez

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Originally Posted by TUT317

Hi Clete,

I think he means that under the current system there exists the opportunity for the states to favour one candidate over another. Tom is skeptical that a centralized system would eliminate this problem.



Tut

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What? What problem? When you eliminate that state bias your elections become fairer because that local sectarism is eliminated, everyone is then subject to the same laws and the same implementation

What we have learned that if you let a central authority preside over the federal elections, the state elections, local elections and even union elections you get a fairer outcome. The candidates can get on with their contact with the public, etc and not worry about issues of who is qualified, etc. You have to remember who is talking to you, the people who essentially brought you unions, female suffrage and compulsory voting, the quality of democracy has not been reduced by such things

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Originally Posted by talaniman

So we stick with state control, and eliminate voter rights? So much for working together.

Biometric cards would be as safe as a credit card, or debit card.

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We are a republic of 50 states, unless you're Obama then its 57 or something, it was designed for states to have control but you know that. As for your eliminating voter rights line, no one is eliminating any voter rights. That's a completely dishonest an argument.

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, Steve:

Remember that concept that you couldn't get.. Here's how the judges on the state Supreme Court SIMPLIFIED the issue.

As we've been saying, it's NOT the ID... It's the PROCESS.

excon

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I know this, and apparently there is no process that would satisfy you.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

I know this, and apparently there is no process that would satisfy you.

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Have you asked him?

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

I know this, and apparently there is no process that would satisfy you.

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Hello again, Steve:

Sure there is... It really depends on what you think the role of government IS... Personally, I believe it's to PROTECT rights, NOT to throw down a gauntlet in front of them...

excon

Then explain it for us.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Then explain it for us.

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Hello again, tom:

If it was ME that was requiring an ID for MY citizens to vote, I'd make SURE that every voter had one. What's so difficult about that?

Of course, I believe it's the DUTY of the state to PROTECT its citizens rights..

excon

I'm still not tom, and it seems to me you balked at this even with free IDs because someone might have to lift a finger.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

I'm still not tom.... lift a finger.

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Hello Fred:

I did NOT give you the finger...

excon

No, Alvin, that's an Obama move.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

I'm still not tom, and it seems to me you balked at this even with free IDs because someone might have to lift a finger.

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Why can't it be the state?