Ask Me Help Desk - The war on women

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, Steve:

Our laws attempt to BALANCE your rights against somebody else's rights. That's all this is..

There is no balance in forcing the Catholic church to violate its specifically enumerated rights. There is not even any logic in forcing celibate nuns to cover birth control.

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Maybe the Supreme Court WILL say 1st Amendment rights trump 14th Amendment rights... But, I don't think, even this right wing court, will rule that way. But, I could be wrong... I was wrong back '08.

Is the government arguing 14th amendment?

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federal judge halts obama birth-control policy for domino's pizza founder
By elise viebeck - 12/31/12 02:13 pm et

A federal judge has ordered a temporary halt on the obama administration's birth-control coverage policy for tom monaghan, the catholic billionaire who founded domino's pizza.

Federal district court judge lawrence p. Zatkoff issued the decision Sunday, less than two days before the policy would have taken effect and exposed monaghan to fines for non-compliance.

"plaintiff has shown that abiding by the mandate will substantially burden his exercise of religion," zatkoff wrote.

"the government has failed to satisfy its burden of showing that its actions were narrowly tailored to serve a compelling interest.. . This factor weighs in favor of granting plaintiffs' motion."

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

What would make us REAL?

Being female.

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What aren't we doing right now?

I have no idea.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

the presumption being that I would've been on the side of the slave states ? I wonder how a Black would feel about you equating their freedom from bondage with a women getting a contraception pill ?

They all seem to have gotten together to repudiate you guys so maybe its not a mandate but one helluva statement. How do you ignore that?

Hello again, Steve:

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There is no balance in forcing the Catholic church to violate its specifically enumerated rights.

I don't know what's NOT enumerated about 14.

Therein lies your war with women.. Women, in the main, DO believe their rights under the 14th Amendment matter. Your unilateral dismissal of their concerns is emblematic of the war you're engaged in. It ain't going to corral ANY of 'em to your side.

Excon

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, Steve:

Therein lies your war with women.. THEY believe their rights under the 14th Amendment DO matter. Your unilateral dismissal of their concerns is emblematic of the war you're engaged in, and it ain't gonna corral ANY of 'em to your side.

excon

a) You didn't answer my question, is the government arguing 14th amendment?

b) I will not compromise our constitutional rights for political points. I have a spine.

P.S. Women LOVE me.

Hello again, Steve:

a) I don't know.

b) I applaud you. I won't compromise mine either.

PS> The women of America DON'T love your position. See last election.

excon

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, Steve:

a) I dunno.

b) I applaud you. I won't compromise mine either.

PS> The women of America DON'T love your position. See last election.

excon

The women of America didn't get the truth, they got a myth.

Hello again, Steve:

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The women of America didn't get the truth, they got a myth.

Then your POLICY is not wrong. If women only UNDERSTOOD it, they'd embrace it... Really??

Bwa, ha ha ha ha...

I'll bet that's how you feel about immigration too. If ONLY the illegals UNDERSTOOD your policy, they'd skedaddle on out of here.

Bwa, ha ha ha ha again.

Excon

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, Steve:

Then your POLICY is not wrong. If women only UNDERSTOOD it, they'd embrace it... Really????

Bwa, ha ha ha ha...

I'll bet that's how your feel about immigration too. If ONLY the illegals UNDERSTOOD your policy, they'd skedaddle on outta here.

Bwa, ha ha ha ha again.

excon

Dude, they don't understand your policies either. There was nothing more sexist and patronizing to women than Obama's Julia.

That's what YOU say, that's NOT what THEY say.

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Originally Posted by talaniman

Thats what YOU say, thats NOT what THEY say.

The smart ones do.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

The smart ones do.

Just wait. We'll be in charge one day.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Just wait. We'll be in charge one day.

And when you are is that how you're going to treat Julia?

If Julia needs some help we would give it to her, wouldn't you? That should go for anyone who had hard times through no fault of their own.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

And when you are is that how you're going to treat Julia?

We will treat Julia with hugs and snacks and drinks and whatever help she needs.

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Originally Posted by talaniman

If Julia needs some help we would give it to her, wouldn't you? That should go for anyone who had hard times thru no fault of their own.

I've made my position on that more than clear.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

We will treat Julia with hugs and snacks and drinks and whatever help she needs.

And as a woman too helpless to do anything without her benevolent government's help?

In a short time ;the women who are already getting the better educations in this country will take their place in the ranks of the higher earners ,most likely tipping the scale in their favor . When that happens will the Lilly Bedwetter law be repealed ;or applied to wage discrimination against males ?

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Originally Posted by tomder55

in a short time ;the women who are already getting the better educations in this country will take their place in the ranks of the higher earners ,most likely tipping the scale in their favor . When that happens will the Lilly Bedwetter law be repealed ;or applied to wage discrimination against males ?

We wealthy and well-educated women of all cultures won't swing the same way that rich old white males do.

No you will appoint women to positions and push men down

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Originally Posted by paraclete

No you will appoint women to positions and push men down

We'll corral them and use them for reproduction purposes. (I think there is a dystopian novel about that.)

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

We'll corral them and use them for reproduction purposes. (I think there is a dystopian novel about that.)

I thought as much

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

We'll corral them and use them for reproduction purposes. (I think there is a dystopian novel about that.)

I didn't think you needed men for anything.

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I didn't think you needed men for anything.

I know it's been a while since you participated in the sexual reproductive process but c'mon! :D

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

I know it's been a while since you participated in the sexual reproductive process but c'mon! :D

Since my wife has been unable to reproduce for over 30 years you would be correct.

Seems conservatives get so wrapped upin what the church tells them that they forget what a female really needs forhealth and quality of life. Why can't they let females and their doctors decide what they need, and what must be done.

Unmarried with children, single, divorced, widowed, or unemployed females don't get much consideration from the right these days.

That makes you bullies.

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Since my wife has been unable to reproduce for over 30 years you would be correct.

You forgot how humans reproduce?? Most people learn that in their teens and never forget it!
Playing the pity card is really low but I'm not surprised.

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

You forgot how humans reproduce???? Most people learn that in their teens and never forget it!
Playing the pity card is really low but I'm not surprised.

LOL, has nothing to do with pity. Just pointing out sometimes you should think before speaking.

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Originally Posted by talaniman

Seems conservatives get so wrapped upin what the church tells them that they forget what a female really needs forhealth and quality of life. Why can't they let females and their doctors decide what they need, and what must be done.

Unmarried with children, single, divorced, widowed, or unemployed females don't get much consideration from the right these days

That makes you bullies.

Another straw man followed by an insult. I'm not Catholic so I don't don't give a rat's a$$ what they tell their members. My argument is based solely on the right to practice their faith without government interference. The fact is no one is preventing women from deciding their health care needs, you just have this ridiculous idea that if the church doesn't PAY for it they're interfering.

What's even more ridiculous than that is you want to force the very institutions that do more to care for people in need than anyone else to cease doing their work in the process, then blame us for not caring about people. That takes a hell of a lot of nerve.

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What's even more ridiculous than that is you want to force the very institutions that do more to care for people in need than anyone else to cease doing their work in the process

I don't think he ever said that did he?

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

I don't think he ever said that did he?

In effect yes. If he supports the mandate then he supports religious institutions closing their doors to helping people.

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The fact is no one is preventing women from deciding their health care needs, you just have this ridiculous idea that if the church doesn't PAY for it they're interfering.

That's my point, the church doesn't pay for contraceptives or band aids used by YOUR doctor. The insurance company does. Why can't you see the obvious difference?

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In effect yes. If he supports the mandate then he supports religious institutions closing their doors to helping people.

Now who is making straw arguments and assignning positions I haven't taken?

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Originally Posted by talaniman

That's my point, the church doesn't pay for contraceptives or band aids used by YOUR doctor. The insurance company does. Why can't you see the obvious difference?

Oh stop pretending you don't know how this works.The insurance company pays for nothing, it all comes from the policyholder's premiums, i.e. they just redistribute the church's money. You pretend the insurance company is just doing this out of the goodness of their hearts, which is quite an odd position to take coming from the guy who rants daily about corporate greed..

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Now who is making straw arguments and assignning positions I haven't taken?

You do understand what "in effect" means don't you?

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Now who is making straw arguments and assignning positions I haven't taken?

You aren't use to it by now? LOL It's the only way some people can discuss; by putting words in your mouth and then tearing them down.

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You do understand what "in effect" means don't you?

No, please explain it.

Then point us to the post where he says

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you want to force the very institutions that do more to care for people in need than anyone else to cease doing their work

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

You aren't use to it by now? LOL It's the only way some people can discuss; by putting words in your mouth and then tearing them down.

No, please explain it.

Then point us to the post where he says

Sorry, but I've made my case clearly many times. Look it up.

I think you should apologize to him. What you do is intellectually dishonest.

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

I think you should apologize to him. What you do is intellectually dishonest.

Coming from you? Bwa ha ha ha!!

You really need to stop assigning positions to people that they did not overtly take.

And those greedy bast@rd insurance companies have been raising those premiums and stopping them from providing certain benefits will save you nothing. And I ASSUME the church pays those premiums and doesn't deduct a part of a workers pay to support paying those premiums. All the companies who offer employer based insurance do but if the church DOESN'T you may have a point,but unless you can indeed verify it,you may have a belief,or opinion, but not facts so do your homework, and don't assume.

I guess that's why all the civilized countries have universal health care to keep the religions out of the health care process and NOW it makes perfect sense. Thanks Speech for making the case.

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

You really need to stop assigning positions to people that they did not overtly take.

ZZzzzzzzz... if you had any credibility someone might care.