There was a family in my county growing up....the father was a farmer...he had three kids....they were all older than me....the oldest child was a homosexual.....the middle kid was a lesbian.....The farmer was inconsolable and he confided in many about how wrecked he felt, how inept he felt as a parent and how much he felt an utter failure as a father....he and his wife had another child, a boy: When this third child was 17 years old, he took the boy to an Asian prostitute to "prevent" the youngest boy from becoming a homosexual: This boy became the biggest womanizer in the county....he was married three times and cheated on every one of his wives and ended up dying of a drug overdose while in the presence of a married woman other than his wife. Answers to these kinds of problems aren't found in solutions generated by man, they are found in commitment unto God. The farmer wanted to save his youngest boy but he very well may have played a part in sending him to hell.

I don't know the answers to the questions around sexuality but God does.

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Answers to these kinds of problems aren't found in solutions generated by man, they are found in commitment unto God. The farmer wanted to save his youngest boy but he very well may have played a part in sending him to hell.

I don't know the answers to the questions around sexuality but God does

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Vac, that's a pretty good statement. At the core of the Christian faith is a living relationship with God through His Son Jesus that is of far greater value than any sexual sin we can cook up.

My life has become so simple since I accept that I have no control over what others do, and only control what I do. It got even easier when I started to treat all as I want to be treated, and let the God that I grow to understand do the judging. He knows better than I what is in their hearts, and why they do what they do. I guess that's why I cannot just rail on the sins of others, especially the least of us, because that could easily be me being judged by others be it for a sin, or circumstance.

So being forced to help others is not an issue, as that's just a function of our society that also buys guns and boats and stuff, so why begrudge milk for kids and shelter for poor families? I mean it's just such a pittance in the grand scheme of the other stuff money can buy. Heartbreaking story Vac, what a waste of not loving your kids for what they are, and that it lead to such a decision to attempt to change what was out of the hands of any father, for a very tragic end.

Just makes me grateful for the parents that raised me in unconditional love, and showed me how to give that unconditional love to my kids, no matter what they do. I don't have to like it, but they are still my kids. I'm just as grateful, maybe more so, that I get the same unconditional love back from them...and the grandkids! 8)

Have a good day ALL!

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My life has become so simple since I accept that I have no control over what others do, and only control what I do. It got even easier when I started to treat all as I want to be treated, and let the God that I grow to understand do the judging. He knows better than I what is in their hearts, and why they do what they do. I guess that's why I cannot just rail on the sins of others, especially the least of us, because that could easily be me being judged by others be it for a sin, or circumstance.

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That might be nice if you actually did it, but you rail against the sins of Trump, McConnell, the repubs, white supremacists, and many others all the time on this board. Why is that?

For instance: "So call me a liberal all you want but the fix has been in for so long even conservatives are so dependent on bending the knee to the one that finances their slow trickle so they can essentially reap huge profits for their own personal use. They refuse to see that their liberty and freedom has been subverted by the oligarchs that control the flow of money and the government of the people, and make the least the cause of the problems.

No poor person has ever laid off workers, shut down factories and built new ones somewhere else, or tanked the economy. That's the exclusive domain of the uber rich and the governments they control. Even close examination of wars and trade wars is the underlying international corporate interest doing what it does to make MO'MONEY, and put profits over people and no people are exempt from being exploited for that profit."

Sure sounds like judging to me.

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That might be nice if you actually did it, but you rail against the sins of Trump, McConnell, the repubs, white supremacists, and many others all the time on this board. Why is that?

For instance: "So call me a liberal all you want but the fix has been in for so long even conservatives are so dependent on bending the knee to the one that finances their slow trickle so they can essentially reap huge profits for their own personal use. They refuse to see that their liberty and freedom has been subverted by the oligarchs that control the flow of money and the government of the people, and make the least the cause of the problems.

No poor person has ever laid off workers, shut down factories and built new ones somewhere else, or tanked the economy. That's the exclusive domain of the uber rich and the governments they control. Even close examination of wars and trade wars is the underlying international corporate interest doing what it does to make MO'MONEY, and put profits over people and no people are exempt from being exploited for that profit."

Sure sounds like judging to me.

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Is it judging or just statement of FACTS as I see them. You are free to correct my facts anytime you want.

So it's judging if someone else does it, but "just statement of facts" when you do it. Interesting, but this part, "conservatives are so dependent on bending the knee to the one that finances their slow trickle so they can essentially reap huge profits for their own personal use," sure sounds awfully judgmental to me.

Will be interesting to see how Pelosi responds to this. Will they call in Dersh and Obama to testify?

"Harvard Law Professor Alan Dershowitz said Sunday he has proof that former President Barack Obama "personally asked" the FBI to investigate someone "on behalf of George Soros," the liberal billionaire megadonor. "

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ala...a-george-soros

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So it's judging if someone else does it, but "just statement of facts" when you do it. Interesting, but this part, "conservatives are so dependent on bending the knee to the one that finances their slow trickle so they can essentially reap huge profits for their own personal use," sure sounds awfully judgmental to me.

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I guess it would sound that way to one stuck in his own ideology. Easy for you to enjoy your crumbs I suppose and not understand the starving man who needs more and can't get it. Sin that statement of fact as I ignore your right wing attempts to inject more election crap into an attack on your perceived liberal enemies which Pelosi will likely ignore.

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I guess it would sound that way to one stuck in his own ideology. Easy for you to enjoy your crumbs I suppose and not understand the starving man who needs more and can't get it. Sin that statement of fact as I ignore your right wing attempts to inject more election crap into an attack on your perceived liberal enemies which Pelosi will likely ignore.

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Sure sounds awfully judgemental. "stuck in his own ideology" "not understand the starving man" "attempts to inject more injection crap into an attack on your perceived liberal enemies" Oh well. I guess as long as you can call it mere "statements of fact", then you let yourself off the hook. How generous.

It just all sounds like the same old liberal "holier than thou" approach I've been hearing for a long time.

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Sure sounds awfully judgemental. "stuck in his own ideology" "not understand the starving man" "attempts to inject more injection crap into an attack on your perceived liberal enemies" Oh well. I guess as long as you can call it mere "statements of fact", then you let yourself off the hook. How generous.

It just all sounds like the same old liberal "holier than thou" approach I've been hearing for a long time.

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Well, we are the same age there about, so no surprise we have both heard our fair share of what we deem partisan holier than thou BS!

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Well, we are the same age there about, so no surprise we have both heard our fair share of what we deem partisan holier than thou BS!

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Yes we have all heard it, Obama, Trump, Bush, Clinton and many, many, many more, it seems there are now three things that are inevitable; death, taxes and B/S

BS isn't just confined to us Clete, all nations have a degree of BS to deal with. No exceptions. Some have more than others.

agreed. some have more than others