Why is that so hard to imagine ? There are many parts of my plan I'd drop if it wasn't mandated by state and national law.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuttyd
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Why is that so hard to imagine ? There are many parts of my plan I'd drop if it wasn't mandated by state and national law.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuttyd
Hello again:
I NOW think Obamacare is DOOMED. But, he did it HIMSELF. You right wingers had NOTHING to do with it..
BECAUSE it's doomed, I believe Ted Cruz will win the presidency, and the country will take a sharp turn to the right.
BECAUSE the country will take that turn, we're doomed.
excon
See my last post, we've been putting that under the microscope.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuttyd
Because you are probably in a position of choice. Not everyone is in that position. Some people are forced to make choice out of necessity.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Well it woiuld be an absolute impossibility to go further left than we have been for 5 years. If Stalin walked out of his crypt tomarrow and the Democrats, the dead of the last 100 years and the liberal press elected him... it would still be a sharp turn to the right.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
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Originally Posted by speechlesstx
I am not defending Obamacare. I see it as a bad attempt at solving the problem that already existed. Namely, the people who have no insurance and the people who are under insured. I don't see any positive alternative solutions being canvassed. It seems that out of mind is out of sight for the time being.
Yeah life sucks . I made lots of sacrifices and choices too when I was younger . I made the choice to stay home on weekends instead of going to the clubs ,to work OT and 2 or 3 jobs when necessary . I saved and still furnish my house with furniture I picked up 25 years ago . I could go on and on . I have sympathy for the real hardships... but there are many that are self inflicted based on the choices they make .Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuttyd
I won't get hung up on what they sell there inadequate cheap products for, double, triple whatever, but in almost every case of sticker shock, so far, when its been explored deeper its always comes out there is a savings that goes with better services and benefits. That's what the outcry about the Hannity was about. He focused on a letter raising and changing a policy that was liked and affordable but none of his guest where asked or shown what their options were. Another reporter did, and they all saved money and got more bang for their buck. That's all of them.
So far that's held, but detractors never, ever look beyond the sticker shock, or acknowledge their own good health that they didn't have to find out the hard way that the plans they pay cheap ain't worth crap if their health develops issues. Many, I mean millions, have been through this, and suffered greatly financially, and physically from lack of adequate insurance and past practice profits before people policies. Its well documented and the cause for new regulations and laws in the first place along with RAPIDLY rising costs that consumers have to bear.
All these sticker shock horror stories you cite Speech, of people being kicked off there insurance they like, pales GREATLY with the stories of people that have been helped. People who would have died without that help.
Never once have you questioned the action of providers but when they say Obama made me do it boy do you jump on that band wagon with no regard to anything else. I NEVER regarded you as stupid or an idiot, but you are very stubborn. You can't just ignore the good and focus on the bad and have no inclination to help fix it, if indeed it needs fixing. That make YOU the problem not the system, and I can point out the co operating states have already begun to show progress overcoming their problems while you repubs just sit and blame the LAW, and Obama for YOUR problems.
It's only been a month, and already a lack of good faith effort is sorely lacking, and YOUR citizens will and are suffering. That's really sad.
Now the Obama administration is strong arming the insurance companies not to report all the millions of people they forced to drop from obamacare !
The White House 'Pressured' Insurance Execs to Keep Quiet About Obamacare: Report | Video | TheBlaze.com
CNN notes multiple sources declined comment on this claim, presumably out of fear of retribution.
However, there was one insurance insider who was wiling to go on the record.
“The White House is exerting massive pressure on the industry, including the trade associations, to keep quiet,” said insurance industry consulting firm head Bob Laszewski.
Laszewski, a longtime opponent of the law, said he has been asked by industry leaders to speak out on their behalf because they feel as if their hands have been tied. Plus, Laszewski notes, the federal government is a huge customer for the industry (so insurance executives can only say so much).
He said industry insiders are embarrassed that they had to cancels plans, forcing consumers into larger — and possibly more expensive — coverage.
That was a good blog and highlights several issues that are not related to the new law. The blogger points to wealth inequality, and the fact that the recession has caused huge numbers of young people to be adversely affected while others actually saw a dramatic rise in wealth. Wall Street made out, and so have insurance companies. Main Street is losing and falling further behind.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Do you really think without ACA the cost you bear for anything will go down? It never has and that's a fact. Glad you don't mind that.
Well, I guess that bundles unfettered individualism into a neat package. Not a lot more to say really.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
There is plenty of room for individualism, but there must be equal protection under the law for all, or else you have chaos, and not order.
There must be responsibility, this is a huge tax on responsible, hard working Americans and we're getting less bang for the buck in spite of your insistence it's all good.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Obamacare Is the Worst-Case Scenario
Translation - The market based for profit trickle down capitalist system is broken, and should be SCRAPPED.
I agree.
Tal is trying to get the position as the new spokesman for Koolaid.
By George! I think he's got it!Quote:
Hello again:
I NOW think Obamacare is DOOMED. But, he did it HIMSELF. You right wingers had NOTHING to do with it..
Just pointing out you guys love to holler, and blame, but do nothing to fix anything, not even clean up your own messes.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Care to elaborate? Look at the mess we are in now. What you see is the media, I am in the front lines. This is a mess that is going to take generations to fix.Quote:
but do nothing to fix anything, not even clean up your own messes.
On the first sign up date there were only 6 people who were able to sign up. Care to explain how that was effective?
Kentucky had 60,000. Similar results in states that actually got busy to fix the problem. The real issues are with states that didn't do squat but complain and holler, and DID NOTHING.
The irony is almost unbelievable.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Link please?Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
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Similar results in states that actually got busy to fix the problem. The real issues are with states that didn't do squat but complain and holler, and DID NOTHING
Like Oregon, who as of last week still hadn't signed up a single person on their exchange site?
Here in NY ,2/3 of those who have signed up are medicaid expansion people . This is the same trend as many other states like California(82%) .The number of new Medicaid enrollees in states like Kentucky, and Washington tops 80 % of all enrollees .Medicaid is "free" so why not go for it instead of private insurance ?
But the plan was for getting the young healthy invincibles to sign up or there would be a death spiral . Here in NY we were already in this pattern with the inflation of Medicaid costs going up an unsustainable 13% annually. Oh there will be a 3 year reprise while the Federal gvt. pays for it with monopoly money ,but the s**t will hit the fan after that . The Obots will be out of office then so why should they care ?
Are those the same 60,000 people who are registered democrats that reside in cemeteries?Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Trickle down economics, that doesn't trickle, and job creators that don't create jobs, and law makers who don't govern is the heart of the problem.
Nah, liberals are the problem - they govern by magical, wishful thinking.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
MSNBC’s Taylor: Obamacare Will Prevent Divorces
Report: Only 6 People Enrolled in Obamacare on First Day
Report: Only 6 People Enrolled in Obamacare on First Day
Only six people signed up for Obamacare through the federal exchanges on the first day of operations, CBS News reports.
The HealthCare.gov website set up for people without employer-sponsored health plans repeatedly locked people out from the moment it went online on Oct. 1.
Congressional Republicans and members of the media have asked Health and Human Services officials how many people have signed up, but have been told figures won't be available until mid-November, when they can be compiled for the entire month.
But a document subpoena from the House Oversight Committee was able to find that the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services held "war room" meetings twice a day as the website rolled out.
The documents, which also were obtained by CBS, show that only six people had successfully signed up on the first day. By the middle of the second day about 100 had signed up, and by the last meeting on Oct. 2, 248 had enrolled nationally.
HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius has told "The Daily Show" host Jon Stewart and CNN's Sanjay Gupta she didn't know precise figures. CMS chief Marilyn Tavenner likewise provided no figures when she testified before the House Ways and Means Committee this week.
Instead, Sebelius and the White House have said millions of Americans have looked at the site and hundreds of thousands have created accounts. The White House said the website had 4.7 million unique visitors the first day.
Critics have speculated that actual sign-ups have not been released because the number is embarrassingly low.
The documents obtained by the Oversight Committee clearly show that exact numbers were available from launch. The phrase "Statistics coming in" is included in notes of the first meeting on Oct. 2. "(Contractor) QSSI has a daily dashboard created every night."
Contacted Thursday by CBS News, HHS still said it had no concrete figures, explaining that the numbers may not include other methods of signing up, such as with paper applications. The White House told Fox News the numbers are not official.
"These appear to be notes, they do not include official enrollment statistics," Sebelius' spokeswoman Joanne Peters told Fox News.
Fox News Channel's Megyn Kelly expressed surprise at the figure.
"There are more people in this room than signed up for Obamacare on Day One," she said.
Up to 7 million uninsured people are expected to sign up through the exchanges. Open enrollment ends March 31, but people have to sign up by Dec. 15 to have coverage on Jan. 1.
Jonathan Gruber, the MIT professor who advised the state of Massachusetts and the federal government on their universal healthcare plans, told CNN that Massachusetts' plan, dubbed "Romneycare," started slow as well, and predicted numbers would pick up.
I guess NOW if the wicked witch lies or refuses to answer... there will be legal charges to answer to.
Rep. Issa Subpoenas Sebelius for Obamacare Documents
Rep. Issa Subpoenas Sebelius for Obamacare Documents
Rep. Darrell Issa, chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, has subpoenaed Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius for documents related to the “entirely dysfunctional” Obamacare website's problems.
“The administration's failure to provide answers about what led to the disastrous launch of HealthCare.gov and what is being done to fix it is completely unacceptable,” the California Republican said.
“The evidence is mounting that the website did not go through proper testing, including critical security testing, and that the Administration ignored repeated warnings from contractors about ongoing problems," he said.
The subpoena demands any documents linked to the malfunctioning website's technical issues, including the testing process that went into the site as well as the number of people enrolled in the program through the Nov. 13 deadline for delivery of the information.
Issa previously requested the same information from Sebelius on Oct. 10 and Oct. 24. After Sebelius had balked at releasing details about the troubled website since its Oct. 1 launch, Issa had warned that he would use a subpoena to get the information.
Issa said that Obamacare has “given us skyrocketing out-of-pocket costs, fewer choices, and the cancellation of millions of people's current health insurance coverage.”
Maintaining that the website is “just the beginning of the problems with the healthcare law," he added that the nation deserves to “know why the Administration spent significant taxpayer money on a product that is entirely dysfunctional and puts their personal information at risk.”
Issa also declared that “the president's signature legislative achievement” contradicted his promise that if you like your healthcare plan, you can keep it.
She did not say "Obamacare Will Prevent Divorces", she said the "number one cause of divorces in this country is financial distress".
More right-wing FUD.
I'm sure the iPhone only sold 6 units on it's launch day too. Don't you know that performance is never the measurement for liberal policies. What matters are the good intentions.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
I beg to differ, she said "[B]health care costs alone are the number one driver of financial distress in this country for families, the number one cause of divorces in this country is financial distress[/B]" and then linked it to support for "affordable health care".Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
The implication is perfectly clear to anyone with half a brain. Must be why you didn't get it.
Talking about reading something with your own agenda....Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
What a sad man you are.Quote:
The implication is perfectly clear to anyone with half a brain. Must be why you didn't get it.
At least I'm not you.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
By all means, explain to me what she really meant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
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"Health care costs alone are the number one driver of financial distress in this country for families, the number one cause of divorces in this country is financial distress. If this is the family - the party of families, they ought to be about the family, the party of providing affordable health care for all families."
It's a generic statement that has been true all my life, but is worse now with ever increasing health care costs.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
I have no idea what that means. She clearly linked support for Obamacare with preventing the number one cause of divorce.
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Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Well, I guess that must include me as well because other than the bits you underlined I have no idea what she was saying in relation to providing "affordable health care for all families" In other words, her link to health care and families was grammatically unintelligible.
Are you guys crazy, health care is but one of many financial stresses put on families. She never implies it was the only one.
She did not! She was talking about health care in general. It's been an albatross around our necks for generations.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
I know nothing about your healthcare, and don't wish to, I'm in Canada and very happy with our health care. I can say that we live paycheck to paycheck, even though my husband has a well paying job, we still struggle to make ends meet. If we had to pay $250 for a doctors visit, that would add a lot of stress.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
There are three leading factors for divorce, money, infidelity, and sex (and yes, infidelity and sex are two different things).
So, will affordable health care help with divorce rates? It very well may do just that. Stress about money is a leading cause for divorce, so eliminating one of those financial stresses would help.
But is divorce the only reason why your country should have affordable health care? Of course not!
Also, your tone, and literally calling someone stupid:
Is not acceptable. If you're trying to prove your point, could you at least do so without belittling people just because they don't agree with you? That's uncalled for, and not behavior that's acceptable on this site, or anywhere.Quote:
The implication is perfectly clear to anyone with half a brain. Must be why you didn't get it.
You really should apologize.
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