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a great deal of intrigue about investigating the bona fides of organisations set up to circumvent the law, such howls of indignation when they are caught. the problem with political processes are they were never intended to be fair or even handed, or even to have the appearence of being unbiased. as I have said before what is the purpose of government if not to give direction to departments? but to think that the president has to be the source of every detail is rediculous
the democratic process aint worth squat if the person in power can manipulate it with impunity using the instruments of the government. If this was Venezuela then we would rightly be ridiculing a 'banana republic' .
That it is being done on behalf of the President itself is criminal. That is a given. It needs to be vigorously investigated to see how far up the executive branch it goes. That we know as much as we do ;with the stonewalling of the administration and the compliant press by itself is telling .
I'll say it again ...... Congress was prepared to impeach Nixon on charges that he THOUGHT of using the IRS against his political opponents .
The democratic process is an abberation. democracy is a process where everyone gets to express an opinion. The only opinion you are allowed to express in your system is a preference for a candidate, beyond that you only have constitutional guarantees which means a court challenge when wrong doing is perceived and there is evidence. It seems that in this case you have a great deal of perception and very little evidence. Your Congress is a paper tiger, if they had a shred of evidence they would impeach the President but what is the point if you can render the President impotent
No this is a great deal of bull and a lot of bluster, something akin to the birth creditentials of the President
... actually impeachment is an exercise in futility . There have been 3 Presidents subject to the impeachment process. Nixon resigned .... Andrew Johnson and Bubba were impeached ;but the Senate did not convict.Quote:
if they had a shred of evidence they would impeach the President
Impeachment may have been a powerful and useful tool before the 12th Amendment ,when the candidate with the 2nd largest electoral college vote bacame VP . But now ? It is just a historical curiosity . Nixon may have actually been convicted because he lost his own party support. But that is a rarity . The imperial Presidency was given birth with the 12th Amendment ;and the only change made to reign the executive in was when term limits came after Roosevelt.
There is no doubt that Congress cannot effectively check the power on it's own . They need the cooperation of an Attorney General with some integrity . They need assistance from the judiciary . But when courts routinely rule that Congress has no standing to even sue the President then what power do you think they wield ?
Guess without 2/3rds of the legislature you can do nothing but holler, scream, and call names. Those founders were smart people to not let just one party, a minority, rule. It's a collective effort, or NOTHING. So that's what we have... NOTHING!
(except hollering, screaming, and calling names!!).
Figured out how it works yet?
and you support a rogue Presidency; defending the indefensible .
THe 2/3 criminal occupation won't last... and the statute of limitations won't be running out soon enough for any of them. They should be prosecuted... found guilty and jailed for a significant period of their remaining lifespan.
You had a 3/3 for two years and what did you do with it? Ram obamacare down our throats without a vote something the vast majority HATE and don't want....and quadruple the national debt?
THats something to be embarrased by...not proud of.
>YAWN< Dream on!!
Elections are coming soon... and another in 2016 where President Poo Pile will finally be out of office, so will his chief protector Eric Holder... neither will be abusing the American legal system and criminal justice system to suit their own desires any longer.. and will be subject to the varius laws they were ignoring or breaking.\
Whats that old saying....what goes up, must come down? Namely both of their ego's. Neither have a reputation left to save.
Just figured out why the righties holler and scream so much. Like stinky farts there is more room out than in. I finally understand and hope you get help.
So far we've had 3 (that I know of) Dems equate the border crisis to the Holocaust. Every lib from coast to coast is having a stroke over the Hobby Lobby ruling, the Koch brothers and those evil Joos in Israel. Reality is calling, Tal.Quote:
Just figured out why the righties holler and scream so much. Like stinky farts there is more room out than in. I finally understand and hope you get help.
Islamic extremism is all Bushes fault don't you know... he invented a time machine , went back and kicked Mohammed in the balls and started it all, then came back to the present day.
at last a rational explanation
We now know that the IRS lied in multiple congressional sessions and under oath to a Federal Judge. In an affidavit to Fed District Judge Reggie Walton ,the IRS stated that Lois Lerner's computer was destroyed and recycled.....basically the same testimony from Commissioner John Koskinen to Congress. You know ,the one that says that IRS computer experts had recommended that they be recycled because the data was not retrievable .
BUT ,House Ways and Means Committee investigators said that they had a chance to talk to the experts who actually examined Lerner's computer, and they said the hard drive merely "scratched" and most of the data on it was recoverable. The experts had recommended that the IRS seek outside help to recover the data.
The IRS did not seek that help .Instead ,according to their testimony ,they "recycled "the hard drive ie destroyed it.
So Koskinen went to Congress Wednesday ,and AGAIN changed his story . Now he says that the backup tapes POSSIBLY containing the emails have been found . Of course he has no idea how that happened ,or if there is any of the emails in them .
Hello again, tom:
Yeah, the IRS sucks.. But, I don't care about that... I care about a CORRUPT presidency. If you can't CONNECT the bad, bad, irresponsible, even corrupt IRS behavior to Obama, I'm BORED..
excon
in time .... gotta get past the cover up and obstruction of justice. Maybe Judge Walton will appoint a truly independent prosecutor .
I think this one has been done to death Tom bigger fish to fry
not even started yet . Watergate happened in the spring of 1972 . Nixon wasn't forced to resign until August 1974 .....and that is with a press that was doing it's job , a Congress that was able to overcome the cover-ups ,a judiciary that forced the issue ;and a truly independent prosecutor .
different days Tom
yes back then there was a press that wasn't the propaganda Dept for the Presidency .
Back then articles of impeachment were drafted and voted on because the President considered using the IRS against his political opponents . Back then 2 AGs resigned rather than carrying water for a corrupt President .
Back then they acted and not just HOLLERED. Why are you so surprised nobody is helping you holler, or act. Pretty obvious Tom, you have to do more than just holler, so do it, or shut up!
HINT: You can't just holler about EVERYTHING, and produce NOTHING! You haven't PROVED corruption, just hatred.
and if Nixon had destroyed the tapes they would have had nothing on him either . I'm not hollering ;just presenting the facts . But you are putting on your best Nixon impression and repeating over and over again "I'm not a crook" . More proof of a cover-up ....The top White House political adviser David Simas refused again Friday to honor a congressional subpoena. The Oversight Committee voted to reject the White House’s claim that Simas has absolute immunity from a subpoena from Congress.Quote:
Back then they acted and not just HOLLERED
One thing I would do would be to not allow Elijah Cummings to sit in on Committee hearings related to this case since it is a conflict of interest . Cummings wrote a letter to the IRS asking them to target T Party organizations.
even for you that's a bridge too farQuote:
And that Obamacare won't determine who gets treated and who doesn't by what their political affiliation is.
And the libtards finally admit to what we have been saying all along... they are a bunch of bold faced liars who can't be trusted to give the time of day.
Lies Exposed: DOJ Admits “Missing” IRS Emails DO Exist -
More dcclothesline crap... nothing to see here. Plus the use of the term "libtard" marks the user as one of little intelligence.
Get stuffed... its far more accurate then anything YOU post or is on the Canadian Propaganda outlets. Its amazing the total crap you believe on faith...and the stuff you discount when overwelming proof is put in front of you.
On faith? I'm an atheist! :-)
You're angry...
Judicial Watch Statement on Discovery of Backups for “Missing” Lois Lerner IRS Emails
AUGUST 25, 2014
(Washington, DC) – Judicial Watch announced the following developments in the IRS' missing emails investigation. Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton stated:
Department of Justice attorneys for the Internal Revenue Service told Judicial Watch on Friday that Lois Lerner's emails, indeed all government computer records, are backed up by the federal government in case of a government-wide catastrophe. The Obama administration attorneys said that this back-up system would be too onerous to search. The DOJ attorneys also acknowledged that the Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration (TIGTA) is investigating this back-up system.
We obviously disagree that disclosing the emails as required would be onerous, and plan to raise this new development with Judge Sullivan.
This is a jaw-dropping revelation. The Obama administration had been lying to the American people about Lois Lerner's missing emails. There are no “missing” Lois Lerner emails – nor missing emails of any of the other top IRS or other government officials whose emails seem to be disappearing at increasingly alarming rate. All the focus on missing hard drives has been a diversion. The Obama administration has known all along where the email records could be – but dishonestly withheld this information. You can bet we are going to ask the court for immediate assistance in cutting through this massive obstruction of justice.
Here is the second set of sworn declarations by IRS officials in response to Judge Emmet G. Sullivan's investigation into the missing emails of Lois Lerner and other IRS officials. The declarations were provided after close of business on Friday, August 22.
The first meeting was held this afternoon by Magistrate Judge John M. Facciola, who was appointed by Judge Emmet G. Sullivan to manage and assist in discussions between Judicial Watch and the IRS about how to obtain any missing records which have been the subject of longstanding Judicial Watch Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests and lawsuit (Judicial Watch v. IRS (No. 1:13-cv-1559)).
Judge Sullivan has encouraged Judicial Watch to submit a request for limited discovery into the missing IRS records after September 10.
As far as the ACTUAL papers filed with the court.....sworn documents...not BS crap from some libtard reporter....they are at this link. Read them and weep liberals who believed what they have been telling lies about before now.
http://www.judicialwatch.org/wp-cont...clarations.pdf
So what bit of text in that PDF testimony is the smoking gun?
So files are backed up somewhere, what a surprise
Its obvious to anyone that has followed this story . Louis Lerner and a number of other Obama Administration officials LIED claiming the emails no longer existed and that they were lost and destroyed with the fictitious "hard drive failures".
All of those are Perjury... and a crime that requires significant jail time.
And Clete...thats what I've been saying all along from the beginning....as well as others.
Still trying to prove the sky is falling by running in circles and hollering? As per your other post on people getting DUMBER, I will tie this obsession with narrow minded ultra conservative thinking, influenced by the inability to evolve and accept more facts and changing conditions.
Don't be scared to pick up the soap when you are alone in the shower syndrome. Getting wet is not getting clean. I would suggest a body wash, but your suspicious mind would find a liberal plot in it and heaven forbid the idea of a soap dish being a solution.
Ever wonder why soap is harder to hold once it gets wet, and the tighter you grip it the harder it is to wash your a$$? Of course you don't.
Tal... putting your fingers in your ears while chanting lalalalalallalalal doesn't change the fact this administration is full of criminals that should be behind bars for a number of crimes... now including perjury like so many others were in the past... and the countless numbers in prison NOW for committing the very same crimes.
Tal you ask us to contemplate the strangest things
I read the PDF smoothy - I was wondering if you could point out to me the incriminating part of it. Did you read it?
To start with casually glancing through #5, #7, #12, #14 of Steven Mannings declaration are in direct conflict with IRS officials previous claims. And these were not the sole supporting documents if you read the entire article... There were just Afifdavits of people NOT at the hearings where the rest came out under oath.
At first glance, #5 and #7 - that's just the standard set-up of a BB, they are IMAP-only devices. Same setup as any organization using the BES synch Outlook/Exchange to BB devices, including ours. What do you see there that seems wrong?
#12 and #14 - he is simply stating the internal policy.
And its been a matter of Federal law for many years that ALL electronic Emails, texts etc... are to be archived. (archives are not on live hard drives) dating back several administrations as early Regan or shortly after. Hard copy stuff was legally required to be retained much further back than Regan. So its not a new thing still getting the bugs sorted out And it shows that everything on her Blackberry as well as he computers... WILL and legally should be on those archives as mandated by law.
So that testimony really didn't offer any new information then. Yet your source and yourself provide it as damning evidence.
I was trying to break it down in simpler terms Clete, so the closed minded could grasp the concept of receiving more information and modify the pattern of old thinking that keeps you dumb. More than one way to skin a cat, (if that's your kink) and if the horse won't drink the water after someone leading him to it... then you must wait until he is thirsty enough before riding into the desert.
In other words, waiting for YOU ultra conservatives to catch up. But you sit and worry when will the volcano blow up?
Waiting for you to catch up so we don't have to drag you kicking and screaming into reality. Relax and have some humor instead of hollering, b1tching, and screaming.
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