I think that's the problem... you might be their (MSNBC) entire audience. That and maybe 3 or 4 other people that tuned in by accident.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
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I think that's the problem... you might be their (MSNBC) entire audience. That and maybe 3 or 4 other people that tuned in by accident.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
We have had that argument before and 5 million votes difference can't be all fraud. We do have documented evidence on tape of confessions on your side, shaving votes strategy with voter ID, eliminating early voting, and employing shady characters to register REPUBLICAN voters in 3 states.
You and your opinion is a minority one not based in facts. 5 million votes?? We ain't that good. Get with reality man and dig a hole to hide in until the right wing messiah wins the white house, senate, and house. Take extra chips and a change of DEPENDS, it may be a while.
Yes, :)Quote:
Originally Posted by aliseaodo
I think they broadcast from inside one of the State hosiptals for the Criminally Insane.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
We've proven it... you just don't want to accept it... big differnce.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
I suppose you believe Benghazi was about a video nobody ever saw... and the Holder never sold a single weapon to theMexican Drug cartels... because Obama says so?
Even I am giving upon MSNBC (they talk too fast, are reading off teleprompters I bet, no longer seem to have an original thought in their heads, lie and tell half truths, and a few more irritations I can't think of right now), but it would be there that a third term would be mentioned.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Same holds true for ABC, NBC, CBS and NPR... their one goal is protect Obama by hiding facts and flat out lying in news reports...Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Then there are the newspapers... and you don't even have to have inside connections to see how often they lie in their stories... the truth gets out by so many sources today its why almost all the leftie papers are on the verge of bankruptcy... their readers are wise to them and are cancelling subscriptions to what have become just like PRAVDA was back in the old Soviet Union. Pure propaganda... and little reality.
Just like a witness on the stand... once the lies start... any credibility they might have had is gone.
I strongly advise you to get out of the loony right wing bubble for at least an hour everyday. Start with an hour every year and work your way up.
Good luck.
>Please no greenies for good advice<
I'm hardly in a right wing bubble... I'm right smack in the middle of leftyland (Washington, DC) which is through the looking glass, and where reality much less common sense has no place. And the local government might even be more corrupt than Cuba. Nobody tops Chicago for corruption though.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
And FOX.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
As for newspapers, Chicago has two -- right and left. I read both. Plus magazines that are of both political persuasions. I want to know my friends as well as my enemies.
Fox is orders of magnitude more accurate than the others...Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
As far as newspapers... most of them are barely worthy of lining the bottom of a bird cage these days.
*cough*Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
I said orders of magnitude better... not 100% accurateQuote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
I notice they too are hiring young people who don't know which end is up. And O'Reilly is as bad as Chris Matthews -- asking a guest a question and then overtalking and interrupting him repeatedly when the poor guest tries to answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Ah man so sorry for misjudging you so harshly. The left has as many loons and wingnuts as the right. Not as noisy though they can be placated to some extent.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
At least he doesn't "get a tingly feeling running up his leg."...Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Also there is a differnce... O'Reily is a commentator... not a news reporter or news anchor... Chris Matthews is.
Soo, as far as my experience, I have never needed a referral - I can walk into anywhere and if they except my insurance I'm in. (Granted they're accepting new patients and all that jazz.. )Quote:
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Originally Posted by aliseaodo View Post
Are you asking me? Not sure I understand your question... do you mean restrictions on who I can go to, restrictions with needing referrals? That sort of thing?
Yes,
Here's my plan book. Pages 19 through 24 are the explanation of coverage.http://www.wpas-inc.com/documents/F3...ithInserts.pdf
This is info on my network:
https://www.fchn.com/ppo/
*btw I'm Class 1*
"the gangs in Chicago" to start with.
Wasn't there discussion about utilizing the National Guard in Chicago?
I have smoke detectors that have never warned me of smoke, fire extinguishers never used, locks on the doors that have never been tested by bad guys--some gout pills in case of a flare-up (haven't had one since I got the prescrip. etc.)
Not needing something in the past doesn't rule out possible need in the future.
Home invasions are still a popular sport in my tri-state area.
Waking up with a gun to my head (as happens in most of the cases) doesn't appeal to me. And yes, as I think we discussed before, I have measures in place to alert me before they get close enough to that too.
Hope you freshen up on the ammo once in a while WG, and also hope you never have to use it.
Those of us who served in the military learned to prepare for the unexpected.
Yes, but that's been thrown out. The Chicago chief of police has put more cops on the street around the clock in the bad neighborhoods, and that seems to be helping -- but they can't be everywhere at once. Girls getting pregnant at 13, kids with no dads (or good role models) around, poor parenting, under-performing schools, no job training and no jobs, no community spirit, etc. etc. etc. are all part of the gang problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by smearcase
We keep the powder dry here.Quote:
Hope you freshen up on the ammo once in a while WG, and also hope you never have to use it.
Thanks I appreciate the info to compare with. My pet peeve is that righties want to repeal the law, but don't offer replacements that make sense at this time. I am watching my own Senator from Texas speaking in the senate, and never not once has he offered a plan to address all the uninsured in Texas a viable plan, let alone the rest of the country, or ever rising costs.Quote:
Originally Posted by aliseaodo
I mean damn all those young people that have to pay now will benefit as they get older for sure when arthritis replaces piss and vinegar.
In looking through my plan book, I saw that I was incorrect about my deductible - it is $300/yr per person, topping out at $600, NOT $250 topping out at $500 as I thought...
I wonder how many more of these stories we're going to hear in the next few weeks.
But, but, but, if you LIKE your plan you can keep your plan!!Quote:
Andy and Amy Mangione of Louisville, Ky. And their two boys are just the kind of people who should be helped by ObamaCare. But they recently got a nasty surprise in the mail.
"When I saw the letter when I came home from work," Andy said, describing the large red wording on the envelope from his insurance carrier, "(it said) 'your action required, benefit changes, act now.' Of course I opened it immediately."
It had stunning news. Insurance for the Mangiones and their two boys,which they bought on the individual market, was going to almost triple in 2014 --- from $333 a month to $965.
The insurance carrier made it clear the increase was in order to be compliant with the new health care law.
"This isn't a Cadillac plan, this isn't even a silver plan," Mangione said, referring to higher levels of coverage under ObamaCare.
"This is a high deductible plan where I'm assuming a lot of risk for my health insurance for my family. And nothing has changed, our boys are healthy-- they're young --my wife is healthy. I'm healthy, nothing in our medical history has changed to warrant a tripling of our premiums.
"Well I'm the one that does the budget,” said his wife. "Eventually I've got that coming down the pike that I gotta figure out what we're gonna cut what we're gonna do, to afford a $1,000 a month premium."
Their insurance company, Humana, declined to comment, but the notice to the Mangiones carried this paragraph:
" If your policy premium increased, you should know this isn't unique to Humana -- premium increases generally will occur industry-wide.
"Increases aren't based on your individual claims or changes in health status," it continued. "Many other factors go in to your premium including: ACA compliance, including the addition of new essential health benefits."
ACA, of course, is the abbreviation for the President's new law, the Affordable Care Act -- which for the Mangiones will be anything but affordable because the law adds a new tax on every insurance policy and requires a list of additional benefits the Mangiones didn’t want to pay for.
Robert Zirkelbach, spokesman for American Health Insurance Plans, which represents insurers,explained that "for people who currently choose to purchase a high deductible, low premium policy that's more affordable for them, they are now being required to add all these new benefits to their policy.
That," he says, "is also going to add to the cost of their health insurance premiums."
This comes amid a huge debate over whether ObamaCare will raise or lower insurance rates.
For the Mangiones, that answer is abundantly clear.
Have all Humana insureds received this kind of letter?Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
I haven't, but my employer pays for it. The point is this family buys their own insurance, a high deductible plan that they can't keep because Obamacare requires additional coverage which makes it more expensive. Tripled their cost in fact and will not permit them to keep the plan they liked.
Yes and the insurance industry is the beneficiary I find the cost amazing $1000 a month for coverage, they certainly need to shop around but I suspect this would be an unintended outcome and points to the need for regulation of the industryQuote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
I guess they don't like there insurance anymore. But what I find puzzling is that Humana, is in the Kentucky Exchange. (As is my current provider).
Humana, Anthem, UnitedHealthcare among Kentucky health benefit exchange participants (Video) - Louisville - Business First
So while it's a bad story, a lot I think may be left out. I have questions before this rises to catastrophic. Just curious, if the exchanges are a better deal, and the companies are the same, what's the big deal?
I mean sounds fishy to me a company would send such a notice to an existing customer, then advertise the same plan at half the costs on the exchange. Not doubting the article, but not enough info to be outraged either. Do you have more?
Tal the cost is probably the unsubsidised cost, not sure what you have to do to get a subsidy but there seem to be big differences between subsidised and unsubsidised costsQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
What should have been done is to open the market and make it a national market with greater competition
Become a registered democrat and a contributor to the Democrat party... and you qualify for a subsidy... they will use the IRS to identify them to reward.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Well Geez how much more do the markets have to open up if the same BIG companies are in every freakin' state, and in case you are wondering, there are 50 freakin' states! Hell even the smaller ones are subsiduries of the big ones!Quote:
What should have been done is to open the market and make it a national market with greater competition
Now what??
Most republicans are poor as church mice and are on food stamps or some other federal dole.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
And precious few of them are dumb enough to want anything to do with Obamacare.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Commentary: Tough luck for the poor - Journal-Courier: Opinion
No comment on whose dumb and who ain't.Quote:
The Republicans don't even have to pretend that they care about the economic plight of the majority. In Owsley County, Kentucky, over half the population gets food stamps, but this nearly all-white county voted 81 percent for Romney. Of the 254 counties whose number of food stamp users doubled since 2007, Romney won 213.
So tough luck for the poor. Republicans are trying to slash the programs which have allowed most people who fell into poverty during the recession to get out of it. And for the rest of the middle class, whose incomes are going nowhere, they can watch the very rich eat up more and more of our national wealth.
Maybe the trickle down will start tomorrow.
The dumb people want it... not even the people that dreamed this up want anything to do with it, they exempted themselves and everyone who works for them... a smart person would see that as proof of what crap it is.
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Originally Posted by talaniman
From your article:
The state health exchange, which Business First has reported on previously, is being broken up into regions, and not every provider is providing plans to all regions, Beshear said. But there will be competition in every region. Enrollment for the plans will begin on Oct. 1. The rates and plans were reviewed and approved through the Kentucky Department of Insurance.
That may explain it.
I guess you can't consider that Obama has put most of those people out of work since that area is Coal Country. SO how is it a surprise they are in an ecinomic disadvantage at this time.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
So why are you surprised that there are many people who are suffering through the recession of 2007 and need assistance until things get better?
Why am I not surprised you blame Obama?
People aspire to get things back to the way it was under Bush... It would be a massive improvement.
Maybe you prospered under Bush, but America voted for Obama TWICE, and that just pisses you off to no end. Don't lie you hate it that the liberals and progressives have put the right wing down and reduced you to a loud group of malcontents wishing for the good old days of kicking butts and taking names of anybody who refused to be assimilated in your own image.
Nobody but a loony wants the Bush era back, and you are deluded if you think you can holler and scream and shoot your way to success. In the end you will be holed up in your own fortresses with 50 guns, and a TV stuck on Fox News, screaming to yourself about the good old days.
Obama didn't have the majority of America vote for him... he only got the majority of the vote... by hook or by crook.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Just face the fact that Obama made everything worse than he found it... and stop trying to defend the indefensible.
THey country was doing far better under Bush than Obama... and incodently... if it wasn't for the libtard in the drive by media pushing Propaganda instead of facts... he wouldn't have gotten elected either time...
Because he only got what voites he did as a result of lies and deception.
We have a winner!! Exactly!Quote:
What should have been done is to open the market and make it a national market with greater competition
... the other side of the coin is state and Federal mandated coverage . Well there is other stuff needing addressing like liability reform.. but mandated provisions in these plans make a big difference. The fact that Obamacare mandates even MORE coverage will guarantee price increases.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
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