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Originally Posted by speechlesstx
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Buy a Shotgun Joe Biden Lying AR-15 - YouTubeQuote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
And you honestly think Biden meant for you to shoot through the door if the doorbell rings?
If that is what he said and if his shoot off the balcony didn't scare off an intruder. Than Im sure he meant what he said.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
What does "shoot through the door" mean to you?Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
To mean it means something said tongue in cheek. Note the context.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
I am sure he was quite serious .He's made the reference to shotguns on more than one occasion. The video was also accurate on a shot gun's recoil.
Of course, the skinny young women who were firing a shotgun in the video had absolutely no experience with a shotgun and did not expect and know how to predict and deal with the recoil. I personally will use my Mauser.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
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Originally Posted by Wondergirl
The SEAL team that got bin laden (at least the last account I read says so) shot through the first door in that building that they came to and inflicted significant damage. But I can't conjure up a circumstance where a homeowner would do that. I have a camera on my front porch so I can see what is going on out there.
I could see someone about to ram the door but it could still be police out to make a raid-- and having gotten the wrong address, which happens more frequently than we would want to believe. I didn't see the reports or video but if the VP actually recommended shooting through a door not knowing for absolute certainty who it was on the other side-- he needs a serious mental exam.
Maybe in the case of a battered spouse who has been threatened repeatedly and it is well documented that they have made the threats and the victim knows they will be overpowered or out maneuvered if the "killer" gets in the house. But it always better if the perp is on the inside of the threshold when they come to get the body.
I read the context, he was dead serious... just as he was about shooting off the balcony.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
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Originally Posted by smearcase
I know of a situation where the homeowner did exactly that. They killed the perp on the porch. No charges were filed as there was enough evidence to show a real threat. But it is not something I would "recomend" to anyone. Any responsible gun owner knows your responsible for wherever the bullet lands.
From Castle Doctrine Protects Pennsylvanians' Rights | Pennsylvania Federal Criminal Defense Attorneys Blog date March 2012
"This past summer the governor extended the reach of the Castle Doctrine to mean that peoples' right to defend themselves could include places directly outside their homes, like the front porch. In the previous interpretation of the doctrine, Pennsylvania residents had to flee at the sign of danger in order to use deadly force for protection, but now self-defense is permitted without an attempt to escape."
One has to remember that the perp can shoot through the door also, which makes relatively cheap and easy to install cameras a good investment, so looking through a peephole or door glass is not necessary. Also makes it easy to record the perp's behavior on the front porch.
These castle doctrine type laws appear to be cut and dried, but there will be investigations to preclude the possibility of a set up for homicide, such as inviting someone to one's house, shooting them on the house side of the threshold, and claiming they attacked and caused a fear of one's life. The Martin case in FL shows that these laws aren't so cut and dried. Calling 911 and staying on the line so encounters are recorded (unless they hang up on you) can help document what went on also.
I should clarify too that the above quote led off with following quote (actually a confrontation which occurred on front porch):
"Recently a Pennsylvania man was involved in a violent incident with his wife's lover. He shot the man with a bow and arrow on the front porch of his home. The man struck with the arrow was fatally injured, but the shooter is protected by Pennsylvania's Castle Doctrine and criminal charges will not be filed against him. "
Also reinforces that guns aren't the only weapons or objects that can kill.
Exactly.. the FIRST rule of gun safety... is being able to see and identify your target BEFORE pulling the trigger. Unless that door is glass or at least a glass panel in it, you don't meet that standard.
Yesterday in Baltimore per Baltimore Sun:
"Robbers posed as police officers in Kingsville home invasion
10:30 p.m. EST, March 4, 2013
Baltimore County Police say an armed home invasion occurred Monday in the 7400 block of Mount Vista Road, Kingsville.
Police say that on March 4, at approximately 8:30 a.m., two armed men identifying themselves as police officers forced their way into a residence.
The suspects took numerous items, including an unknown amount of currency, police said. Two male victims were tied up and were eventually freed by a family member. One of the victims was transported to an area hospital, where he was treated for minor injuries.The two suspects, identified only as white males, fled the scene.
County police are warning residents to be cautious when answering their doors for persons identifying themselves as police officers. All officers should have proper identification in addition to a badge, police said. If residents have any doubt, they should call 911 or their police precinct and not open the door.
Anyone with information about this incident is asked to call 410-307-2020 or Metro Crime Stoppers at 1-877-7-Lockup. "
How do you deal with this situation?
Open the door armed and get shot by bad guys or maybe even by legit police.
Open the door unarmed and be immediately overpowered or shot?
Call 911 and hope they can check with one or more police agencies and get good info quickly, while good guy/bad guys? Break door down?
Do a Joe Biden through the door and hope for best?
The one above was done in broad daylight. But it's a fairly isolated spot even though in a metropolitan area. Good luck with that recommended ask for ID plan.
My home is my castle as enshrined in the Magna Carta
Hello again,
If I thought that current gun control proposals were designed to END crime, I wouldn't support them either.
I know a guy could kill a lot of people with a knife. Do you think he could kill 26?
excon
What's wrong with the thousands of other regulations on the books already... how about they enforce those... or does the left really believe violent felons have the right to be free committing crimes?Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Its clear in some states they do... arguing convicted criminals on Death row are having their rights violated by being executed... by the same people that feels its perfectly find and their constitutional right to execute their babies... and then have the gaul to argue the tax payers should pay for it.
Hello smoothy:
Chill out, dude. I know you're mad, but try to focus on the question. Did you fail to answer because you KNOW a guy with knife couldn't kill 26 people?? That's a pretty good argument FOR gun control. Go smoothy..
excon
Who said a guy with a knife couldn't kill 26 people? Hell... there were well over a million a year in the USA alone... Christian Life ResourcesQuote:
Originally Posted by excon
Is there some magic number threshold we should be looking for?
Hello again, Steve
So, you think I'm talking about MATH? Dude!
This divide will NEVER be breached...
excon
Dude, you're the one fixated on a number, what's your point?
Hello again, Steve:
In the country I live in, we count stuff. Whereas 1 or 2 might be acceptable, a number like 26 might NOT be acceptable. If we didn't count, we'd never know what's acceptable, and what's not.Quote:
Dude, you're the one fixated on a number, what's your point?
I'm just pointing out that VOLUME matters. Apparently, however, I'm pointing it out to people who don't KNOW that volume matters, or don't CARE.
But, that's why I'm here - to point out the TRUTH.
Excon
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Originally Posted by speechlesstx
The point is the bad guy with a gun can kill a lot more people than a bad guy with a knife. The point is a bad guy that wants to inflict a lot of damage finds a gun, not a knife and that magic number threshold are PEOPLE, who have people in their lives that will be deeply affected by the actions of the bad guy with a gun, instead of a knife.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Chicago has gun laws on the books... why don't they enforce those first.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
And incidentally... IED's are very easy to make, and far more effective than any gun Joe Average can buy is... want to ban every possible thing that can be used to make those too? Good luck trying.
Dudes, I think I've heard your point about a thousand times in the last two months, but until now you've not quantified what number of people you might be able to kill is acceptable. I see that number is "1 or 2."
Okie dokie...
One is to many, and grounds for intervention.
Chicago's problem is poverty. Where there is poverty you will find guns, drugs, and criminals. Poverty is a breeding ground for the worst in humans and it doesn't matter where the poverty is or what part of the world it is.
So why then libs want to keep them dependent on government?
There is no shame in temporary help and guidance since that's all they have. Dependency come when there are NO other options that are viable, and you have to concede the economy with a tight jobs market is not a viable option to poverty, and charity falls short too.
For sure something is terribly wrong when the working people need assistance from government programs. That's a big red flag that something ain't right when it comes to the way we deal with the American people.
If we agree that America needs jobs, and government shouldn't be job creators, then who should we demand jobs from, and what do we do for those that languish without a job? If we don't have a better strategy than the one we have now, then we beg for more dependence, more poverty, and even more competition from the underground economy that poverty has created over a very long time.
All of this in the wake of many jobs being lost and new people put into the poverty that being jobless creates. We libs don't want anyone dependent on government, but we dohave to support and guide those through nofault of their own, find themselves between a rock and hard place.
You cannot make a job as a condition for that help when there are no jobs.
It doesn't become dependence until they have been on welfare beyond 3 generations apparently.
Speaking of poisoning the well, who said anything about there being shame in temporary assistance or any other kind? You know good and well I don't believe that. The problem is your side doesn't know the meaning of the word "temporary" and your president is more interested in his legacy than his people.
And until the poverty issue is solved you will always have a poor class. And when economic conditions worsen, that poor class grows. To blame generations of failed policy on the latest administration is pretty biased and extremely ignorant. It just looks worse because the problem has grown.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Who supples the outcome of a job?? There is NO solution to poverty without a JOB being available.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
It's your guy that wants to make a show of scaring and inflicting pain on Americans instead of creating jobs.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
How about they get off their butts and get a job... there are plenty of jobs out there... 22 million illegals work in them... some of those are good paying jobs.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
But then the Illegals have something the welfare bums don't.
A work ethinc... because you have to get out of bed in the morning if you have a job.
If you are defending the welfare bums... you obviously don't know many of them... 99.9% of them have no other problem other than terminal laziness.
Do you know any personally? I do. The homeless/"welfare bums" passing through Libraryland are usually alcoholics or mentally ill or both.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
I grew up around a lot of 2nd and third generation welfare bums... I knew their entire families EXTREMELY well... I knew enough of them well enough to know any argument to the contrary is total BS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
They are all happy to sit on their butts and get handouts so they can cruise through life without having to get up early or break a sweat.
And also.. how are Homeless people collecting welfare anyway... you need an address to collect welfare... how are they collecting it without a place to even rent? What are they wasting all that money on anyway?
If they are mentally ill... thank the Democrats for turning them loose, if they refuse to take their meds... then its all on them and I don't give a hoot,. if they are drunks... thats their own fault... give them some methanol to speed them along. THey had plenty of opportunity to get treatment before they ended up homeless...
If they were truly disabled they would be on SSI disability... welfare is what the able bodied lazy people use to mooch off the system.
The PADS (county shelter) headquarters is one address. People's Resource Center (multi-function site for low-income and homeless) is another. Some have friends and relatives who get mail for them. They buy food at area grocery stores and clothing at the Salvation Army or other charity stores. They take cabs from shelter to shelter (no decent bus service in this county). The checks aren't overwhelming huge.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Welfare checks are big enough to rent a place and live on... and are bigger than someone working a single minimum wage job would earn.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Now there is a real indication of what is wrong with the system, the minimum wage should be way more than welfare as an incentive for people to work, where I come from welfare is about half the minimum wage and unemployment about a thirdQuote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
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