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Exactly what I've posted, Tal. Let's use the system we have (and improve and enlarge it).

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You guys just plainly don't get it. Most of these people just cross the border illegally and are never processed in any way since they are sneaking in. Now with a wall in place, most of that will stop and then the process can be used properly.

The process should ALWAYS be used properly whether people have been sneaking in or not. I take your point though of the many that sneak in and not get processed, but that is an unknown number and I am dubious a wall will ever stop them all, and digging tunnels is a economy all its own obviously well worth the effort for people and drug smugglers, and find one shut it down they dig 10 more. Lets not ignore the controversy of how the dufus is going about getting YOUR money to pay for the wall, or the way he even presents his "EMERGENCY" by intentionally slowing down the process for deterrent effects. That was both cruel and dumb, but you guys like his cruel dramatic ways.

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A wall only misuses the resources from real issues to false security.

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A false sense of security is the only kind there is.

We like the Fact that Trump doesn't want to play "the game". He's going to get his wall, without giving the Dems Squat.The Dems would certainly fold on the wall issue, if only Trump would play ball with them.

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Most of these people just cross the border illegally and are never processed in any way since they are sneaking in. Now with a wall in place, most of that will stop and then the process can be used properly.

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They'll still sneak in. Once they find out a wall is in place, they'll bring along the equipment they need to dig under it or climb over it. Haven't you read about the boat launching that will take place to help refugees and immigrants get into the US via water? Just like all the prison escapes, where there's a will, there's a way!

We need more border stops with medical and food services and, of course, more well-trained agents and US sponsors.

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Just like all the prison escapes, where there's a will, there's a way!

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And yet we have not abandoned the idea of prison walls because there is no better answer. There's a lesson to be learned there. And I doubt seriously that a million people a year will enter by boat. We confiscate the boats and they soon have no boats. They bring a backhoe onto American land to "attack" the wall, then we seize the backhoe.

Gosh. Not real complicated.

Maybe we should use the News Media? Have them fabricate a Story of torture and death for all those that enter through the southern Border.

oops, already been done.

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Why don't Americans become refugees from some of the Democrat districts ? I wouldn't blame them . Does Maxine Waters represent her district ? How ?https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=-owq0whScEc

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And I doubt seriously that a million people a year will enter by boat. We confiscate the boats and they soon have no boats. They bring a backhoe onto American land to "attack" the wall, then we seize the backhoe.

Gosh. Not real complicated.

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Trains and planes and boats and ladders and shovels. And without electronics, how will anyone know who is where along the wall?

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Trains and planes

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Yep. Those million poor people a year now crossing illegally will all go out and buy a plane ticket.

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boats and ladders and shovels. And without electronics, how will anyone know who is where along the wall?

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Fine. Put in some electronics. One way or the other, the river is slowed to a trickle. Mission accomplished.

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Fine. Put in some electronics. One way or the other, the river is slowed to a trickle. Mission accomplished.

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Yes electrify the wall, problem solved

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Yep. Those million poor people a year now crossing illegally will all go out and buy a plane ticket.

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Plenty (plus drugs) are coming in via air and sea -- and across our northern border.

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Fine. Put in some electronics. One way or the other, the river is slowed to a trickle. Mission accomplished.

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What river? A wall gives it to Mexico.

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Plenty (plus drugs) are coming in via air and sea -- and across our northern border.

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The vast majority simply walk/drive across our southern border. Build the wall.

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The vast majority simply walk/drive across our southern border. Build the wall.

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Those are refugees from Central America.

https://www.npr.org/2018/12/11/67589...-we-build-more

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46748492

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news...ss/1898283002/

For those that hate links to facts and data, the dufus LIES! He ain't done squat, and his emergency has yet to rise to previous high levels of migrants and certainly not from Mexico. Nobody asks why when repubs had power supreme he got no money for his wall, and even a dufus should know so you wall supporting right wing immigration hardliners can take a break and enjoy his antics, share popcorn with the rest of us or you can keep whooping and hollering like your fake hero, same results though, you get NOTHING...because he 's got nothing.

From an article you linked. "Leaving aside the semantic difference between a wall and a fence, Trump is correct that fencing in San Diego, for example, significantly reduced "illegal traffic" when originally built decades ago. It also pushed border-crossers east, away from coastal San Diego, to areas where the fencing is less robust."

So if we had a wall all the way across, that would be the end of it. Thanks for the supportive link!

And no, you cannot say that 80,000 people a month from Central America are walking through Mexico to get to our border. Just not true. Most of them are still from Mexico.

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From an article you linked. "Leaving aside the semantic difference between a wall and a fence, Trump is correct that fencing in San Diego, for example, significantly reduced "illegal traffic" when originally built decades ago. It also pushed border-crossers east, away from coastal San Diego, to areas where the fencing is less robust."

So if we had a wall all the way across, that would be the end of it. Thanks for the supportive link!

And no, you cannot say that 80,000 people a month from Central America are walking through Mexico to get to our border. Just not true. Most of them are still from Mexico.

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I gave you my facts, give me yours. My point was you will never get them all and the barriers built decades ago work pretty good if you don't mind them dying in the desert, or digging tunnels. You probably do.

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I gave you my facts, give me yours. My point was you will never get them all and the barriers built decades ago work pretty good if you don't mind them dying in the desert, or digging tunnels. You probably do.

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Tal, the idea is to slow the flood to a trickle, as well as humanely stopping people from dying in the desert, etc. There is a deterrent effect if these "refugees" know that the only way in is through official channels. You will still have to deal with people smugglers, just as you have to deal with drug smugglers.

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Tal, the idea is to slow the flood to a trickle, as well as humanely stopping people from dying in the desert, etc. There is a deterrent effect if these "refugees" know that the only way in is through official channels. You will still have to deal with people smugglers, just as you have to deal with drug smugglers.

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How will future refugees know that?

The same way they know the path is wide open now. Word gets around.

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The same way they know the path is wide open now. Word gets around.

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The boyfriends all know each other?