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Originally Posted by smoothy

They had THREE years... less than one percent of the people that actually we able to even get registered were able to get insurance... that is far less than a fraction of a percent.

Way over a 99% failure rate at roll-out... beta tests have far fewer problems. Hell, most alpha testing works better.

For something that was already over budget by many times the original contract bid and award. Most federal contracts would have been canceled for non-performance... we aren't talking minor bugs... we are talking about something that flat out doesn't come anywhere near working as advertized..

Am I a programmer? No... but I've got more than a little experience in beta testing. I used to work Research and Development earlier in my career.

And nothing this flawed by any reputable company would ever have a customer actually touching it...much less be put on the market.

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Once again you are not listening. You can beta test the thing to death, but with out an army of autobots you cannot create sufficient accesses to test what happened. I actually logged on to the site before Oct 1 and had no problem with access. Systems subjected to massive simultaneous access fail, it is device hackers use, but this time when you have millions of clients, no system is going to give faultless operation. The possibility should have been foreseen and access staggered, but then when you have hundreds of thousands of government employees out to lunch courtesy of a do nothing congress, what do you expect

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Originally Posted by paraclete

Once again you are not listening. You can beta test the thing to death, but with out an army of autobots you cannot create sufficient accesses to test what happened. I actually logged on to the site before Oct 1 and had no problem with access. Systems subjected to massive simultaneous access fail, it is device hackers use, but this time when you have millions of clients, no system is going to give faultless operation. The possibility should have been foreseen and access staggered, but then when you have hundreds of thousands of government employees out to lunch courtesy of a do nothing congress, what do you expect

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I wonder how the NSA does it? lol

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Originally Posted by cdad

I wonder how the NSA does it? lol

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Unlimited resources and a targeted approach but they are monitoring data streams, not trying to communicate in a human/machine interface

Hello again,

When the website gets fixed, NOBODY will remember that it stumbled out of the gate...

Yawwwwwwn.

excon

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Originally Posted by paraclete

Once again you are not listening. You can beta test the thing to death, but with out an army of autobots you cannot create sufficient accesses to test what happened. I actually logged on to the site before Oct 1 and had no problem with access. Systems subjected to massive simultaneous access fail, it is device hackers use, but this time when you have millions of clients, no system is going to give faultless operation. The possibility should have been foreseen and access staggered, but then when you have hundreds of thousands of government employees out to lunch courtesy of a do nothing congress, what do you expect

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You might be used to or happy with buying a product that works less than 1% of the time.

If any other business put a product to market that worked even 90% of the time... meaning a 10% failure rate a Fraud investigation by the Federal Trade Commission would be underway (at least here in the USA it would).

I guess I should start selling crap to Liberals saying like Obama does , telling them don't worry it will be fixed eventually... knowing the dimwits that fall for that line are the ones who will be paying the bill to fix it after they paid to buy it.

Only OBama or a liberal would get away with doing this to the public....if Microsoft or Apple ever pulled this they would have to pay back every dime....AND pay fines on top of that.

Bet there is a delay in the individual mandate... as the Republicans suggested .

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Originally Posted by smoothy

If any other business put a product to market that worked even 90% of the time... meaning a 10% failure rate a Fraud investigation by the Federal Trade Commission

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Uh no, that's just not true in the least.

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Originally Posted by smoothy

if Microsoft or Apple ever pulled this they would have to pay back every dime....AND pay fines on top of that.

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You mean like Apple Maps that was a colossal failure and no fines or money back was paid. Like that?

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Originally Posted by smoothy

You might be used to or happy with buying a product that works less than 1% of the time.

If any other business put a product to market that worked even 90% of the time... meaning a 10% failure rate a Fraud investigation by the Federal Trade Commission would be underway (at least here in the USA it would).

I guess I should start selling crap to Liberals saying like Obama does , telling them don't worry it will be fixed eventually... knowing the dimwits that fall for that line are the ones who will be paying the bill to fix it after they paid to buy it.

Only OBama or a liberal would get away with doing this to the public....if Microsoft or Apple ever pulled this they would have to pay back every dime....AND pay fines on top of that.

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You still don't get it when I build software I expect a 100% success rate but that is after quality control testing, beta site implementation, now commercially I have often found these expectations are not met, and now we buy software from the third world you get a third world experience. Welcome to the third world. With a third world debt rate you have to expect this

No one has lost money yet, but it won't be long I suspect before the software builder is bankrupt before the legal eagles get their pound of a$$

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Uh no, that's just not true in the least.
You mean like Apple Maps that was a colossal failure and no fines or money back was paid. Like that?

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How much did you pay for apple maps?

Really... then what are all these recalls here for things that fail only a small percentage of the time?

Fraud is the process


In incidentally...

Fraud Investigations - PInow.com

Fraud is considered to involve misrepresentation with an intent to deceive. If a company makes specific promises about a product, for example, in order to sell that product, they may be guilty of fraud if they are aware that the product does not work as advertised.

THis is NOT doing what it was supposed to do... And it doesn't do it over 99% of the time.

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Originally Posted by paraclete

You still don't get it when I build software I expect a 100% success rate but that is after quality control testing, beta site implementation, now commercially I have often found these expectations are not met, and now we buy software from the third world you get a third world experience. Welcome to the third world. With a third world debt rate you have to expect this

No one has lost money yet, but it won't be long I suspect before the software builder is bankrupt before the legal eagles get their pound of a$$

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I DO get it... If the people I worked for sold something that didn't work over 99% of the time there would be HUGE problems they would he held responsible for committing fraud. Its a gnats hair from not working at all.

And there is a HUGE difference between something that works 99% of the time with a few bugs... and something that works far less than 99% of the time and has massive problems... well beyond "bugs".

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Originally Posted by smoothy

How much did you pay for apple maps?

Really... then what are all these recalls here for things that fail only a small percentage of the time?

Fraud is the process


In incidentally...

Fraud Investigations - PInow.com

Fraud is considered to involve misrepresentation with an intent to deceive. If a company makes specific promises about a product, for example, in order to sell that product, they may be guilty of fraud if they are aware that the product does not work as advertised.

THis is NOT doing what it was supposed to do... And it doesn't do it over 99% of the time.

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When you build software you start with a set of signed specs, but often the brilliant mind in the corner decides there is more, and more, and more until the whole thing must be redesigned. So we start with a data base of say fifty million items and then someone tacks on the need to allow every citizen to have a record, then every resident and cross reference to IRS, existing insurers and register of births and deaths, Before long the bemouth is housed under several city blocks and needs the equivalent of several dozen CRAYS. To do the job Why you didn't just use the NSA systems I cannot say but perhaps they were doing something useful, like listening in to France, Brazil, Germany and who knows where

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Originally Posted by paraclete

When you build software you start with a set of signed specs, but often the brilliant mind in the corner decides there is more, and more, and more until the whole thing must be redesigned. So we start with a data base of say fifty million items and then someone tacks on the need to allow every citizen to have a record, then every resident and cross reference to IRS, existing insurers and register of births and deaths, Before long the bemouth is housed under several city blocks and needs the equivalent of several dozen CRAYS. To do the job Why you didn't just use the NSA systems I cannot say but perhaps they were doing something useful, like listening in to France, Brazil, Germany and who knows where

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If you sell someone a car for $1,000 but before you actually give them the keys you make them pay $10,000 for it... but it still doesn't work... so you tell them if they keep paying you, you can fix it... but it might cost them $50,000 by then... but by the way... you are stuck with it and you can't get your money back... and you have to continue to pay them to make it work as they claimed.


Despite the fact you only contracted to buy the car which was advertised as running with no defects for $1,000 to begin with.

Apple Maps came with the $600 phone.

Anyway I know what fraud is. I was just showing how what you posted was totally incorrect.

Hello again, tom:

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Bet there is a delay in the individual mandate... as the Republicans suggested .

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Question: When is a mandate, NOT a mandate?

Answer: When there's NO penalty for NOT paying it!

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The law prohibits the IRS from seeking to put anybody in jail or seizing their property for simple refusal to pay the tax. The law says specifically that taxpayers “shall not be subject to any criminal prosecution or penalty” for failure to pay, and also that the IRS cannot file a tax lien (a legal claim against such things as homes, cars, wages and bank accounts) or a “levy” (seizure of property or bank accounts).

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excon

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Apple Maps came with the 0 phone.

Anyway I know what fraud is. I was just showing how what you posted was totally incorrect.

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You've shown you are totally incorrect...

If that iPone didn't work over 99.9% of the time... and apple tried to charge the people that bought the phone money un unlimited ammount over and above that $600 to fix it so it did (and they had no choice but pay)... THEN you might have something that began to approach the severity of this fraud.

Now you're just changing your story... like always.

Hello again, smoothy:

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THEN you might have something that began to approach the severity of this fraud.

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Fraud? FRAUD?

You cost the taxpayers $24 BILLION when you shut down the government for NOTHING...

Now, THAT'S a FRAUD!

excon

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Now you're just changing your story... like always.

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No... YOU are every time you get caught.

Canada might not have any consumer protection laws... but the USA does. And pushing off a product that DOESN"T work as claimed over 99.9% of the time is fraud under OUR laws. I guess that explains why a Canadian Company can make such a mess of this... they think it doesn't have to actually work.

This is NOT the same as something that actually does work most of the time... this effectively works almost NONE of the time.

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, smoothy:
Fraud? FRAUD?

You cost the taxpayers BILLION when you shut down the government for NOTHING...

Now, THAT'S a FRAUD!

excon

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Obama shut the government down... HE refused to sign bills legally sent to him that would have kept everything running... Face it... love it... embrace it... YOUR Messiah OWNS that.

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Canada might not have any consumer protection laws

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See? More incorrect info. It's non-stop with you.