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Hello again, tom:

What's feel good about DENYING criminals from getting guns?? Look. This is simple... Put the bad guys IN the data base. When you buy a gun, if you're NOT in there, you get a gun.

Oh, I'm sure you'll throw up some other BS. You don't want to debate actual FACTS because you won't WIN.

excon

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The list they have now already has the bad guys on it. Just a fact for your debate.

He knows this, he also knows the stricter laws would have done nothing to prevent the Sandy Hook tragedy.

But what if it helps to prevent the next Sandy Hook, which may be in YOUR neighbor hood. Facts also say that its happened before, and probably will again, and if you are saying you know all the bad guys, because the system is perfect while 40% of the bad guys are not only unknown but will get away with murder.

Seems to me it's a time for ideas and actions not obstructing the debate with conspiracy theories and blasting people who are trying to improve the situation. A small noisy few who think doing NOTHING is acceptable in the face of the fact its happening.

Just wondering how YOU would feel when it happens to you?

By the way, while Obama is out shaming Americans about dead children over gun control, I ask what Mark Steyn asks, "So how many dead American babies does it take to make the news?"

Where is the NY Times on this? ABC? CBS? NBC? MSNBC? CNN? Anyone, anyone?

I'll spare you the gory, ghastly details, but why the blackout by most of the major media, do these children matter?

Hello again, Steve:

I LOVE your right wing logic.. Abortion is allowed so we might as well NOT stop bad guys from getting guns.. It makes SOOO much sense..

excon

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Hello again, Steve:

I LOVE your right wing logic.. Abortion is allowed so we might as well NOT stop bad guys from getting guns.. It makes SOOO much sense..

excon

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And I love yours as well, brother. Stop animal abuse but not the murder of babies.

Okay so here's the rub outlaw abortion, guns, auto's, suicide, tobacco, alcohol and you have covered off most of the reasons for premature death, but, the general public are too stupid to go for this, after all, look how they reacted to prohibition. As soon as you ban something they want to do it. I think what we do is mandate contraception for any female outside of marriage, don't allow any person under 25 to drive a vehicle or possess a gun, drink or smoke and make it a felony offence to breach the rules

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By the way, while Obama is out shaming Americans about dead children over gun control, I ask what Mark Steyn asks, "So how many dead American babies does it take to make the news?"

Where is the NY Times on this? ABC? CBS? NBC? MSNBC? CNN? Anyone, anyone?

I'll spare you the gory, ghastly details, but why the blackout by most of the major media, do these children matter?

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The local news is full of these stories, and MSNBC has been saturating the whole day with the politics of gun violence and the congresses refusal to take a vote.

Yep it's those gun totin, red necked Republicans who are holding up progress here

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The local news is full of these stories, and MSNBC has been saturating the whole day with the politics of gun violence and the congresses refusal to take a vote.

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How many dead babies does it take to make national news? Hmm?

See where the police took down and arrested this homeless man in Connecticut who was preparing to shoot at cans with a pellet gun ? The problem ? The yard he was in was within 100 yards of Emperor 0's motorcade route . 0 was still at the University of Hartford when the arrest took place and the motorcade had already passed . The guy did not know that the motorcade was scheduled to return .
The guy is still in jail because the police claim he initially wasn't compliant . He did not drop his pellet gun fast enough.
He is being charged with breach of peace in the second degree, threatening in the second degree and interfering with a police officer. All that because he wanted to shoot pellets at cans.

Hello tom:

Yeah, cops DO suck, don't they?

excon

I would not make a blanket statement based on a single instance . This was a judgement of a single cop. Another cop ;even in the same precinct may have handled the situation differently .

Hello again, tom:

You don't have to. I'll make enough blanket statements for both of us. Here comes one now. Cops STILL suck.

excon

Hello again, tom:

Looks like the background check they're settling on satisfies ALL of us.. Your friends can sell their guns amongst themselves, and NOTHING.. Your grandpa can give his gun to his daughter, and NOTHING.

But, if you buy a gun at a gun show or off the internet, you'll have to go through a background check. No gun registry will be maintained...

Good enough for you?? (Somehow, I'll bet not)

excon

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Hello again, tom:

Looks like the background check they're settling on satisfies ALL of us.. Your friends can sell their guns amongst themselves, and NOTHING.. Your grandpa can give his gun to his daughter, and NOTHING.

But, if you buy a gun at a gun show or off the internet, you'll have to go through a background check. No gun registry will be maintained...

Good enough for you??? (Somehow, I'll bet not)

excon

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How about we just keep what we have regarding FFL regulations. And just put the wording in that all gun sales and transfers must be handled by a FFL. No added language and don't even mention registration. Let the FFL's handle it as that is what they have taken on.

Hello dad:

You're talking mechanics, and I couldn't care less.. What I want to do is STOP MONSTERS (who I know BETTER than you) from easily getting guns.

excon

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Hello dad:

You're talking mechanics, and I could care less.. What I want to do is STOP MONSTERS (who I know BETTER than you) from easily getting guns.

excon

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Part of the problem is that we don't know who the next monster will be. I watched a friend go through a drug induced episode that was no fault of his own. It was bad enough to have my friend looked after for 72 hour observation. When he was taking was recommended by a doctor for a bad upper resprtory infection. The interaction was rare but if people around him didn't care and didn't step in to help him it could have gone out of control very easily.

Also we may need to modify our thinking on some of these drugs that are being taken and its relationship with HIPPA. I think it would be reasonable for persons taking certain classes of drugs to be restricted from gun purchases for a short period until they get over the hump. Maybe a years time. That does not in any way endorse the removal of guns already in their possession it just keeps them from getting new ones for a brief period.

I got an idea . Why don't they submit a bill for public perusal ;and allow sufficient time for public comment BEFORE they vote on it ?
Right now ,all I know is what Schmucky proposed . In fairness ,I trust Manchin and Toomey on this issue much more than Schumer . But the devil is still in the details .

Hello again, dad:

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Part of the problem is that we don't know who the next monster will be.

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We don't have to.. All we need to know is that we're doing the best WE can to protect our children..

The FACTS of the matter are, these proposals may NOT prevent ANY future atrocities from happening. Or they might prevent LOTS. We're not going to know. Do we know how many murders we prevented by making murder against the law? No, we don't. Do we THINK there are some? I'll bet we do.

Excon