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So how does that work in heavily-populated areas like on the public bus or in hospitals or at schools and airports? Many here think it is a tragedy waiting to happen -- but then if all those places end up off limits, where and when is one allowed to carry? While walking the dog?Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
I guess you're on your own, or have to rely on police/security. I'm less concerned about being allowed to carry in a courthouse as I am my wife being able to carry to the mall or Walmart where people love to prey on women who are alone. I believe these are the places generally forbidden in Texas:
School buildings
School grounds where a school sponsored activity is on-going
School bus, or other school passenger transportation vehicle.
Polling place on election day (including early voting)
Court or court office.
Race track (licensed for betting)
Airport secured area (past metal-detectors in terminal building)
Within 1,000 feet of a place of execution on the day of an execution, but only if given notice
51% locations - businesses that derive 51 percent or more of its income from the sale or service of alcoholic beverages for on-premises consumption.
High school, collegiate, interscholastic, or professional sporting events.
Correctional facility
Amusement parks
Businesses can also forbid carry by posting a 30.06 sign (interesting choice of numbers), but I don't see that it's forbidden to carry on a public transportation here. I could be wrong...
Heavily Populated only means there is a more of a need to carry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Where Unlawful to Carry
§18.2-308 (J.3.): No person who carries a concealed handgun onto the premises of any restaurant or club as defined in § 4.1-100 for which a license to sell and serve alcoholic beverages for on-premises consumption has been granted by the Virginia Alcoholic Beverage Control Board under Title 4.1 of the Code of Virginia; may consume an alcoholic beverage while on the premises. A person who carries a concealed handgun onto the premises of such a restaurant or club and consumes alcoholic beverages is guilty of a Class 2 misdemeanor. However, nothing in this subsection shall apply to a federal, state, or local law-enforcement officer.
§18.2-308 (O.): Private property when prohibited by the owner of the property, or where posted as prohibited.
§18.2-283: To a place of worship while a meeting for religious purposes is being held at such place, without good and sufficient reason.
§18.2-283.1: Courthouse.
§18.2-308.1: School property. Exemptions to this statute include a person who has a valid concealed handgun permit and possesses a concealed handgun while in a motor vehicle in a parking lot, traffic circle, or other means of vehicular ingress or egress to the school.
§18.2-287.01: Carrying weapon in air carrier airport terminal.
Virginia State Police - Firearms/Concealed Weapons
Listing of states with which Virginia has Reciprocity Agreements* (A formal written agreement exists between the two jurisdictions):
Alaska
Florida
Kentucky
Mississippi
New Mexico
North Carolina
Ohio Pennsylvania
South Carolina
South Dakota
Tennessee
Texas
West Virginia
* Virginia non-resident permit holders – Virginia non-resident permit holders should contact each reciprocal state to determine if their permit will be recognized prior to carrying in that jurisdiction.
Florida law does not grant reciprocity to holders of Virginia non-resident permits.
Listing of states with which Virginia has mutual recognition (Jurisdictions have informally agreed to honor permits issued by the other):
Arizona
Arkansas
Indiana
Louisiana
Michigan
Missouri
Montana
Nebraska
North Dakota
Oklahoma
Utah
Wyoming
Actually the following link details the process for making application for a Concealed carry permit in VA.
Virginia State Police - Resident Concealed Handgun Permits
And here is something the lefties REALLY get their panties in a knot over... since so few of them are capable of grasping the difference between an assault weapon and a regular gun.
Virginia State Police - Machine Gun Registration
I've been tempted... but those things are so damned expensive to buy... I've never gotten beyond the drooling stage.
Cheap illegal handguns are what are used in Chicago 'hoods by gang members. So how do we get rid of that problem? (big discussion going on right now in Chicago) It seems to be a "take back my neighborhood" thing street by street.
Maybe if the people caught using them in a crime actually did time in jail... (most don't or get a slap on the wrist) you will have fewer criminals on the loose.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
I read the stats someplace of why NYC has such a low crime rate compared to Chicago that has such a high one. The parts I remember is 4 times as many people caught using an illegal gun in a crime... are going to go to jail... AND do considerably more time there per offense... than a criminal in Chicago will do.
First it would behelpful if the media wouldn't cover for FLOTUS making false claims about "automatic weapons." The truth is helpful.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
http://m.washingtonexaminer.com/article/2522593#.US1O1BNZ65Q
So let me get this straight you cannot have a gun in a number of places that are high risk but you can carry a gun walking down the street but I thought your constitution says the right to bear arms shall not be restricted, so, If it is good enough to restrict in one place it should be good enough to restrict in all places in the interests of public safety. Go figure, the constitution is a strawman argumentQuote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Same argument can be made to make liberals shut up... free speech isn't without limits too.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Ok so now we can have limited free speech and limited guns, now we are getting somewhere, so I expect the gun carry thing only applies to citizens, so there is the potential to get rid of 11 million guns. How many more of these constitutional rights are limited, with the military budget cut I expect they will be billeting troops in the homes next and asking the troops to provide their own rifles
The military cuts are of no consequences if they have smart executive administrators (Hagel isn't the man for the job;and Leon Panetta deliberately decided to ignore the reality that sequester was coming. ) . The military and all the government depts could easily absorb 10% cuts just by sharpening their #2 Ticonderoga pencils and making some real budgetting decisions. They could immediately make up for the cuts by closing bases in German beer halls .
Elected officials don't get to Interpret what is and isn't in the constitution and if it applies... thank god.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
IF you believe Obama... He is a god and only HE gets to decide what is and isn't a right for all the petty little mortals.
Lefties only believe in the rights THEY want at the moment... wasn't only a couple decades ago the same lefties were whining about "The Man" and "Big Brother" getting in their face and "holding them down"... and right now they are at LEAST ten times worse than the people they were complaining about in their youth. I was old enough to remember it at the time... even though I wasn't an adult yet then.
Citizens are legaly ENTITLED to the RIGHT to own guns... its not up for the passing whimsy of some brown pantywaste that managed to steal an election by lying to enough people. Its Established Constitutionally... and can only be taken away through the legally prescribed was... which is the ONLY way the constitution can be changed.
And this Sequester is the biggest propaganda lie the Democrat party has ever pulled off yet.
THe total amount of the Sequester is 20% of this years Budget Deficit... not the National debt... even AFTER the sequester the Obama Administration will still have spent even more money than they spent last year alone.
Therefore if they had money last year... they have the money this year... it ammounts to less than 2% of the budget. BUt if you listen to the blowhards on the left, you would think they are shutting the government down by refusing to allow ANY money to be spent.
And there are morons out there that actually believe the lies. WHen sufficient proof to the contrary is out there.
Funny thing... want to bet every single welfare bum gets their check on time?
Hello again, smoothy:
Careful, smoothy.. Your RACISM is showing...Quote:
its not up for the passing whimsy of some brown pantywaste that managed to steal an election
Excon
I have referred to Bill Clinton as a WHITE pantywaste in the past...Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Unless someone is recognising Pantywaste as a sentient life form these days...
Owebama isn't entitled to any more respect than George Bush got... or Fidel Castro or Hugo Chavez is entitled to either.
He gets the respect he deserves from his Marxist leanings... which is probibly WORSE than Karl Marx ever was when he was alive.
Obama had a meeting with the governors, and naturally kicked the media out before taking questions. Obama's answer to everything was 'no.' Nikki Haley said her kids could fine $83 billion in cuts, "it's not rocket science."
TWO elections. With the alternative being you guys, it wasn't stealing as much as self defense for reasonable people. Yeah mostly brown, some whites, and females. All that was left is loonies and center right greedy capitalists.Quote:
its not up for the passing whimsy of some brown pantywaste that managed to steal an election
Naw it wasn't stealing, it was a no brainer.
THen explain how so many precincts had more votes cast then they had eligible voters?Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Explain of the precincts in the no ID required areas that had ZERO votes cast for a republican... Something that is a statistical impossibility.
Explain all the documents proof of votor fraud by Obama people... not to mention one in VA, PAT Moran who was actually on video explaining how they do it?
Cuban Elections were more honest than the last two we had.
That's what you guys holler about because you can't believe you lost. That's denial dude.
Simple fact is more people came out for our guy than yours. Get over it. Stop talking crazy as a loony bird and scaring folks. Hell you scared your own side pretty bad and they didn't vote.
What I said was reality... its fact... its proven, its documented.
What is denial is Obama and you guys thinking it's the evil rich sucking up all the money so there is no money left for the poor to make. Only loons believe the Economy is a zero sum affair.
What is crazy is the Democrats acting like the world is ending over what ammounts to 2% ofg the annual spending for the year... which is 20% of the DEFICIT SPENDING for this year...
SO the head Lunatic Lord Obama orders thousands of Illegal criminals loose on the public for exactly what legitimate reason? He argues there is no money to send a Airgraft Carrier to the Gulf... yet I bet every welfare bum in the country gets their check on time.
How did they ever pay for this stuff as late as 2011 which is the level of spending AFTER all the sequester cuts are applied.
Look at the illustration (in the link here) of the number of pallets (in 100 dollar bills) that it takes to represent a trillion dollars. Imagine about 16 more piled on top of the one shown to get to the level of the current deficit. The cuts (85 billion) will take away less than 10% of the first stack.
In ten years, the stack would be 49 layers deep (if there were no cuts) but it will be only 48 layers thick because of all the "drastic" cuts.
Requiring 50% of the cuts from Defense is the really stupid part, not that there aren't plenty of cuts that need to be made there, but because the pols will do more things like the game playing they have already done in cancelling deployment of the USS Harry Truman to the Gulf which endangers our valuable troops (upwards of ten percent of our entire military forces) instead of going after the non-essentials first. These kinds of actions will get their own chapter in the "Decline and fall of the American Empire" book.
What does one TRILLION dollars look like?
That's the point . Senator Tom Coburn has identified enough waste in the Pentagon budget to slash it by $500 billion in 10 years. The President is intentionally choosing the cuts which will have the highest negative impact .Quote:
Requiring 50% of the cuts from Defense is the really stupid part, not that there aren't plenty of cuts that need to be made there, but because the pols will do more things like the game playing they have already done in cancelling deployment of the USS Harry Truman to the Gulf which endangers our valuable troops (upwards of ten percent of our entire military forces) instead of going after the non-essentials first. These kinds of actions will get their own chapter in the "Decline and fall of the American Empire" book.
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/gop-s...n-defense-cuts
Exactly... if he cut the Welfare program... no productive member of the country would have to suffer.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
These are spiteful cuts by a petty, petulant.. and spiteful man...
Health care delivery is the biggest driver of the debt, and you so called free market capitalist should be outraged that the health industry is NOT a free market.
Bitter Pill: Why Medical Bills Are Killing Us | TIME.com
If you stop getting your facts from the right wing blogosphere you would have a more reasonable position about debt, deficits, and spending, and what to do about a non employment recovery from a recession that saw the robbery of trillions.Quote:
Yet those who work in the health care industry and those who argue over health care policy seem inured to the shock. When we debate health care policy, we seem to jump right to the issue of who should pay the bills, blowing past what should be the first question: Why exactly are the bills so high?
What are the reasons, good or bad, that cancer means a half-million- or million-dollar tab? Why should a trip to the emergency room for chest pains that turn out to be indigestion bring a bill that can exceed the cost of a semester of college? What makes a single dose of even the most wonderful wonder drug cost thousands of dollars? Why does simple lab work done during a few days in a hospital cost more than a car? And what is so different about the medical ecosystem that causes technology advances to drive bills up instead of down?
Read more: Bitter Pill: Why Medical Bills Are Killing Us | TIME.com
And you guys are still holding the door open for them to make a getaway.
Cripes... what total BS... just because the majority of liberals are too cheap to go out and buy their own insurance... they expect the rest of us to pay for it for them.
Socializend medicine is like everything else that is part of socialism... it all sucks... unless you are trhe couch potato that gets something for nothing... THOSE are the only ones that think its great.
You mean the already socialized parts like Medicare /Medicaid . Yes I'd like those reformed ;but the Dems think they are the 3rd rail.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Medicare and Medicaid can negotiate costs, even drug costs that you cannot, and bend the cost curb to make it affordable. But of course you are stuck on supply side capitalist solutions to rising costs that leaves cutting benefits to old folks and poor people.
Even Reagan recognized that a modest raise in the deduction caps brought solvency back into the system, and even now more people with jobs would stabilized not only the deficit, but also lower spending in the long term.
How you capitalists can ignore the supply, DEMAND, and circulation as equal parts of economic equations is a testament to the one sided-ness that's really unfair to the whole, and what landed us in this position in the first place. To continue what screwed us up, sounds like an intentional robbery to me.
Just because the rules were wiped out systematically doesn't mean its not criminal, or you are being honest about whose fault it really is. The socialist didn't screw us, you greedy capitalist did, and still are and that's the real reason your side has lost yet another presidency.
Tal he is still bleeting about having to pay more or being forced to pay his share.
The way to get control of medical costs is a government oversighted program with a single payer on the insurance side. In other words capping the benefit procedure by procedure. The patient can then "negotiate" with the doctor or the insurer can do it on behalf of the patient. In our system the patient is not allowed to insure for the gap on simple procedures so you get a co-payment and the patient can decide if the doctor is worth it. There are many doctors who work for the regulated fee and bill the single payer.The single payer also works for drugs with the government oversight of drugs, same deal a fixed benefit and a dispensing fee to the pharmacist, so there is no running to Canada for cheap drugs, I've seen their prices not cheap
Your free enterprise system is killing you because the doctors are in charge, used to be that way here, now we deliver quality medicine at a fraction of your cost
Let the lazy bums that skipped class in high school and probably even dropped out work harder to pay their own way... they made their choices then... they don't deserve a free ride now because the rest of us actually studied and worked..
Yes it's like the money end of town ever cared about public education or passed the opportunity to go to college to the poor..
The doctors are not in charge. It's the lawyers that are in charge and they are the ones that are adding huge amounts of money to go to nothing. It's the lawuit lottery that runs deep in the medical system that is ruining it.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Well place limits on liability, that's what we have done. You just have to bite the bullet and stop the lottery,stop the lawyers running away with the system, and stop the vexacious suits that have no meritQuote:
Originally Posted by califdadof3
Actuallt they could leave the limits alone and just make it loser pays. That would stop most of it in its tracks right away.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
So you allow no win no pay then, but costs can be awarded to the other sideQuote:
Originally Posted by califdadof3
It's court costs... there is no consequences for bringing frivilous civil cases to court .
Way off base guys as what we are talking about is the costs of health care which is skyrocketing, has been for decades, and its insurance companies and hospitals controlling the whole show, not doctors, lawyers, and patients. Even not for profit religious based hospitals are raking in huge amounts in inflated billing practices.
This isn't the free market, it's a very closed market with one beneficiary.
Um... the Poor have a better opportunity to go to college than you think... fully paid for. At least in this country.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
That is if you are a minority... if you are poor and white... and NOT on Welfare.. you get the shaft...
Most of my time in high school my parents worked part time jobs to make ends meet... because my father was laid off most of the time...
Yet being born white... I got no help... funny how if you are white and working part time jobs to pay your mortgage and raise your kids... you are considered too wealthy to get help... even if Welfare would have ben a step UP... than they got to go to COllege free... PLUS they got Paid to go to class also, How do you think Obama got a free ride... it wasn't from grades... in those years any minority that wanted to go to college got in free... and they had quotas back then that had nothing to do with merit.
I know this because Obama is only a few months older than I am. I got the shaft being white while he got it all handed to him being a minority.
He got a free ride even though HE was actually pretty well off... and I had to borrow every dime I was allowed in student loans to go to college... at over 8% interest that I spent a decade paying back... Obama had his paid for by tax dollars for no other reason than his skin color.
Probably so ;but don't call it free market . The problem of course is that it has been rigged against free competition by government regulation... and the solution would be a return to free competition.Quote:
Way off base guys as what we are talking about is the costs of health care which is skyrocketing, has been for decades, and its insurance companies and hospitals controlling the whole show, not doctors, lawyers, and patients. Even not for profit religious based hospitals are raking in huge amounts in inflated billing practices.
This isn't the free market, it's a very closed market with one beneficiary.
Not content to advise you should blast off a couple of shots outside from your porch with a 12 gauge, Joe "Shotgun" Biden offers this advice:
I would hope you're damn sure of what's on the other side but hey...Quote:
I said, “Well, you know, my shotgun will do better for you than your AR-15, because you want to keep someone away from your house, just fire the shotgun through the door.”
Wait, isn't that that Pistorius guy's excuse, he shot through the door first and asked questions later?
Well maybe VP Joe's advice isn't really the best advice...
Biden Advises Shooting Shotgun Through Door - US News and World Report
Yep, the "Oscar Pistorius school of self-defense" as noted above. Pretty much all of Joe's advice could get you arrested. And for some reason "Dumbya" keeps coming to mind this week...Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
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