More people get killed every year with knives and baseball bats than guns every year.
Where are the background checks and registration programs for those? No bowels in an uproar from the left over those.
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More people get killed every year with knives and baseball bats than guns every year.
Where are the background checks and registration programs for those? No bowels in an uproar from the left over those.
Hello again, tom:
Like I said earlier, that's the WRONG question...Quote:
Would expanded backround checks have made a difference in this case ? Nope
As SURE as I'm sitting here, there WILL be a mass shooting where the perp WOULD have been prevented from buying a gun with the expanded background checks... Why don't you want to stop THAT one??
Are you NOT able to look ahead??
Or, are we going to argue whether felons can GET guns at a gun show?? Probably?
Excon
Speaking of unbelievable things said by Democrats, Zero said yesterday "this is just the first round" of the push for gun control. He said it in Mexico. No, really. It's a good thing his administration didn't do something like let thousands of guns walk to Mexico or he might look a bit hypocritical.
Ex, I just find it odd that you've spent so much time whining about the government infringing on our rights and can't understand why we're skeptical that our rights will be protected in this case. We have damn good reason not to trust our government, you of all people should know that.
When you can demonstrate that ,I'm listening . Like I already showed... 46,455 backround checks per day. Sounds like the country already has the backround check thingy covered .Quote:
As SURE as I'm sitting here, there WILL be a mass shooting where the perp WOULD have been prevented from buying a gun with the expanded background checks...
Nice numbers there Tom, but obviously only a fraction of the background checks that actually are needed.
How many purchases are made a day ?
Hello again, tom:
Since we're talking about the future, I don't NEED to wait in order to "demonstrate". What I CAN do is PROJECT. You can too if you want. But, your right wing blinders prevent it.Quote:
When you can demonstrate that ,I'm listening
You seem to be saying that because we have xx number of background checks that should cover it... But, the problem isn't the background checks we're DOING.. It's the ones we're NOT doing.
Now, I'm sure this isn't going to demonstrate ANYTHING to you... But, this weekend I can go to a gun show and buy lots and lots of guns, and NOBODY will do a background check on me.. Now, I can surmise that OTHER felons and a few NUTS will be shopping there too. I can further surmise that one (or more) of those people WILL perpetrate a mass shooting in the future...
Even if he only shoots ONE person, WHY wouldn't you want to STOP him from doing that?
Oh, oh... Wait a minute... You're going to give me the NRA line that because I'm a felon, I AUTOMATICALLY know where to buy a gun on the black market... So, WHY try to stop me from doing it the easy way?? If that sounds STUPID, that's because it IS.
But, we've been here before... You take the right wing line, and NOTHING will change that.. Not even my indisputable facts and cogent logic will persuade you..
Excon
Hey Tom have you considered the statistic you have just posted 46,000 a day, that means 11,000,000 a year so it's going tp take, what 30 years to check out everyone that is if everyone could be checked, but moe importantly, what on earth do 46,000 people a day need with firearms? Total paranoia
That's on average . If you look at the link I posted ,it's closer to 20 million(19,592,303 in 2012.)Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
OK then .You must have some supporting stats like.. how many guns used in crimes are purchased with the so called gun show exception ? I'm willing to bet almost none.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Would you stop with the paranoia bit. We have a lot of hunters, a lot sport shooters, a lot of folks that just go plink a target on the weekends and a lot of just plain gun enthusiasts. That's only one purchase for every 6773 people, that's hardly paranoia.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Hello again, tom:
I don't know WHY you concentrate on the background checks we DO, and then pat yourself on the back over a job well done...
It's the ones we DON'T do that's that problem.. I don't know what's so HARD about that.
Look.. If a guy is drowning 100 yards off shore.. You tried to save him, but only could go 90 yards before you turned back. Are you going to congratulate yourself over the 90 yards you DID do, or are you going to lament the 10 yards you didn't do?
Never mind...
excon
You're good at projecting (in more ways than one), how many of those felons do you project are actually going to try and buy a gun legally?
Hello again, tom:
Even if there's only ONE, why wouldn't you want to STOP it?Quote:
I'm willing to bet almost none.
But, have no idea WHY you'd say that... Gun shows happen in every county in this great nation of ours, and they happen ALL summer long. Then they move INDOORS. We KNOW that felons can buy there to their hearts content there...
WHY you'd think that THOSE guns AREN'T used in crimes escapes me... It truly does. Unless, of course, you think felons like me would RATHER use guns we got in the black market instead of going to a show where we have some CHOICE. And that assumes that we KNEW where to go... Which is absolutely RIDICULOUS!
But, I want to here from you why you'd say that the existing gun laws AREN'T working because the cops don't go after the people who were DENIED... The law STOPPED the felon from getting a gun, but you think the law ISN'T being enforced because they don't chase down the guy who got DENIED...
I really want you to address that...
Excon
Hello again, Steve:
First off, felons CAN'T buy a gun legally, so I don't know what you're getting at.Quote:
how many of those felons do you project are actually going to try and buy a gun legally?
But, if you're talking about felons who WANT a gun and CAN'T buy it legally from a gun shop, I'm sure they shop at gun shows. Why wouldn't they?
Look... Even IF I had an exconvict membership card, WHY would I wander around the streets LOOKING for a black market gun?? WHY would I do that, when I can go the to convention center and come home with 10 BIG guns - maybe 20?? WHY would I do that??
Excon
I've been asking that same question about some dude named Gosnell.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
OK, give us some numbers on how many felons are buying at gun shows.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Save your logic Ex, the wingers are more concerned about their rights and being prepared for an armed civil war and a zombie apocalypse, than they are about some evil loony shooting things up.
I mean they are making guns for kids now.
Guns made for kids: How young is too young to shoot? - U.S. News
Hello again, Steve:
Tal is right... Logic doesn't play a role when we're talking about the religion of guns..Quote:
OK, give us some numbers on how many felons are buying at gun shows.
Do you really think felons are going to identify themselves at gun shows?? Do you really think felons DON'T buy lots and lots of guns at gun shows?? Tell me why you think they'd rather scour the hood for a gun when they can buy 30 or 40 in a weekend at a gun show, and have LOTS of choices too..
Why would they do that?? Why?? The bigger question is WHY do you think they wouldn't?? Let me see... They've got Bubba who's got a gun - maybe even two. OR, there's the gun show downtown where they can shop and shop and then shop some more...
Why would they go to Bubba's?? Why?
Excon
What if they have no priors, like ALL the mass shooters in recent memory ? How will expanded backround checks prevent.. even that one ?Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Hello again, tom:You're STILL asking the wrong question... The idea here is to prevent, if we can, the next shooting... It's true, we can't stop somebody who LEGALLY owns a gun..Quote:
What if they have no priors?
But, THAT'S not what this discussion is about. IF you want to CONTINUE this conversation with me, you'll STOP throwing up straw men, and address the points I made... You've ALWAYS done that before, but it seems that guns make you woozy.
I think we're done here.
Excon
Dude, And where is the logic in letting thousands of guns walk to Mexico? Nobody gives a damn about that. Where's the logic in saying the Boston bomber would have been stopped by background checks? Don't condescend to me about logic.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
It was a simple question, it needs a simple answer - not more stalling. But I do know IF I were a felon I'd probably already know people that could get me guns, and I would go to them before sticking my head out in public trying to buy a gun.Quote:
Do you really think felons are going to identify themselves at gun shows?? Do you really think felons DON'T buy lots and lots of guns at gun shows?? Tell me why you think they'd rather scour the hood for a gun when they can buy 30 or 40 in a weekend at a gun show, and have LOTS of choices too..
Why would they do that?? Why?? The bigger question is WHY do you think they wouldn't?? Let me see... They've got Bubba who's got a gun - maybe even two. OR, there's the gun show downtown where they can shop and shop and then shop some more...
Why would they go to Bubba's?? Why?
Excon
I was shooting when I was 7 or 8, so what? We're not training them to be terrorists or sending them to school to learn IED planting and grenade throwing.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Hello again,
Pink is for the little girls.. Boys, can get them in brown.
And that's why you are all in for stop and frisk... right ?Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Actually as part of their commitment to gun safety the NRA has gun-safety programs for kids, but apparently you guys don't think gun safety should be taught to kids in case they're ever around guns. At least not if the NRA is involved.
Two Houston schools cancel NRA gun safety classes
Except she did know the NRA was behind the event, she was specifically asked whether that was causing any problems and her response was “That’s not been the case in my school. It’s very important that we enlighten the school.”Quote:
Before cancelling the presentation, the principal of Peck, Carlotta Brown, gave a radio interview on Tuesday morning saying she was "so elated to have a gun safety program at our school today."
"We have to make sure that all of our children are safe, our adults are safe and it starts in the elementary school," Brown told KTRH, according to a broadcast on its website.
Brown did not mention the NRA in her comments, but the radio host noted that the association was behind the program and an NRA representative also was interviewed.
Spencer said Brown "did not make the connection that it was an NRA-driven event" until later when a news reporter asked to attend the presentation.
Unless it's by the NRA, then someone will pressure you to change your mind and lie about why you're cancelling. Better to keep kids ignorant, right?
Hello again, Steve
There's not much you can say to somebody who's talking to an exconvict and telling him what it's like to BE an exconvict..Quote:
But I do know IF I were a felon I'd probably already know people that could get me guns,
Nope. Not much at all.
Nahhh... There's no question that a police state WOULD reduce crime, but I like the Constitution, thank you very much...Quote:
and that's why you are all in for stop and frisk... right ?
Excon
but teaching them how to roll a condom over a cuke is perfectly OKQuote:
apparently you guys don't think gun safety should be taught to kids in case they're ever around guns.
You have no idea what I know, stop fooling yourself into thinking I don't what the hell I'm talking about. I know WAY more than I'm going to say here.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Adam Lanza's mama probably thought the same thing. I mean what's the harm of teaching a kid how to shoot? Except when he develops issues at puberty, and doesn't need a bomb, or terrorist training to wreak havoc. Come on how can we know how a kid will turn out even if it's one out of thousands.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Add to that all the undiagnosed loonies that bear watching. I know all upstanding Americans are sane and have rights. Nobody is a criminal until they break the law. The illogic of your side is we got 'em all and nobody cheats and slips through the cracks (loopholes), like the chick in Colorado who bought a gun for her boyfriend.
What's real hypocrisy is the same thing that allows straw purchases of guns to Mexican drug dealers and is the same thing that allows them to the other states and cities so why stop at Arizona with your outrage. I mean you are hyped on one agent's deal, and ignore the other thousand every year who get hot dead?
Illogical at best
Considering the raving Loon that's occupying the white house and the second in command slot... I think that argument is a bit weak in the knees.
They have been making them for a long time. Big box stores like Sears used to sell them regularly. So what is your point? That we need to stop stupidity? Good luck with that. The parents in the article you posted were stupid.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Considering Joe Biden recommended shooting through the closed front door... look at the class of leader the Dems are following.
Its not as easy as you think it is. If someone is actively buying guns outside the gun show then they also are being watched. Their chances of making multiple purchases is very slim without someone there to ask what they are doing and to run a ID check on them.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
And in typical liberal logic everyone must be punished for the sins of a few, instead of encouraging the very things that would minimize such risks, a stable marriage with a mom and a dad and restoring VALUE for LIFE.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
What would you do?
I've asked that same question here but never got an answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Start ducking because this I where the rocks and blame usually starts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
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