Ask Me Help Desk - Voter ID/Suppression

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Absolutely right. And making an effort to reduce fraud via things as voter ID is better than doing nothing and in my view entirely reasonable.

Of course it's right. After all you don't have to test it against what is actually happening in reality.

Tut

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Originally Posted by TUT317

Of course it's right. After all you don't have to test it against what is actually happening in reality.

Tut

We're not the ones throwing a fit over any attempt to tighten standards.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

We're not the ones throwing a fit over any attempt to tighten standards.

Nor are the liberals. It's your PROCESS that is at fault.

You can't vote anywhere in Europe or most of the world without providing proof of who you are... the only reason to defend no ID at the polls is to fight to permit votor fraud to continue like it has... THis year there was so much rampant fraud it makes Elections in Banana republics look honest.

http://www.slcelections.com/Pdf%20Do...C%20REPORT.pdf
http://obamavoterfraud.blogspot.com/

No one here is against voter ID. It's the PROCESS that matters.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

No one here is against voter ID. It's the PROCESS that matters.

Everyone is capable of getting an ID that is allowed to have one... you need an ID to do almost everything... there is no excuse for NOT having an ID.

People argue its not fair to the poor... we you can't go into the SSI office... the Welfare office or the Unemployment office without an ID...

You can't get into a courthouse without an ID...

THere is nothing wrong with the process... unless the problem with the process is that Illegals and other people not entitled to that ID somehow are getting one.

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Originally Posted by smoothy

Everyone is capible of getting an ID that is allowed to have one....you need an ID to do almost everything....there is no excuse for NOT having an ID.

Yes, everyone is capable, but for some it would take time. I know of many nursing home residents who don't have an official, acceptable picture ID and would have to figure out how to get one. The same goes for homebound, disabled, and people living in places without adequate transportation. Not everyone is young and limber and can hop into a car and drive to a DMV.

The process would give adequate time to get the ID.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Nor are the liberals. It's your PROCESS that is at fault.

Oh come on, enough of that argument. We're past the election so everyone has more than enough time to get an ID before the next one.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Oh come on, enough of that argument. We're past the election so everyone has more than enough time to get an ID before the next one.

Yes, two years NOW. But that wasn't why this ID discussion was started. And allowing that much time.

Actually this discussion started on the premise that requiring voter id suppresses minority vote . I'm glad we are past that canard.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

actually this discussion started on the premise that requiring voter id suppresses minority vote . I'm glad we are past that canard.

If the ID is required without giving people enough time to get it, that suppresses minority vote. Minorities are the ones who often use public transportation and have to make the extra effort to get the ID.

Oy ! Someone close this circular argument thred already !

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Originally Posted by tomder55

oy ! someone close this circular argument thred already !

So everyone who needs ID will happily hop into his car and drive the two miles to the local DMV and get it this afternoon?

(You really want this thread closed?)

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

If the ID is required without giving people enough time to get it, that suppresses minority vote. Minorities are the ones who often use public transportation and have to make the extra effort to get the ID.

How freaking long to those idiots NEED to get an id... how old are they? Are they really that mentally challenged?

THey could have one WITHIN a month of them turning 18... and they don't need renewed every year...
Its not rocket science... it DOESN'T take nearly as long as it takes to get a passport...

They had to have one to collect welfare... they can't get government freebies without one... you can't open a bank account without one. You can't use a credit card or write a check without one.

But I bet they could find their way to collect whatever free handouts were available at any given time no matter where it was or when it was..

Most of these people don't have jobs... something else you need an ID to get... what are they wasting all their time on then?

If they aren't smart enough to get an ID then they aren't smart enough to vote... or is it just difficult for all the dead votors to get an ID... or the old people in nursing homes that can't even remember their own names... or all the Illegals casting votes that can't get them?

According to what is being discovered in that last link I provided across the country its all three of those groups that are the primary concern to the liberals when none of those people are legally or physically capable of casting legal votes.

After all presneting an ID violates the Democrats self perceived right to vote early and vote often. You only get to vote once if you have to present an ID.

http://obamavoterfraud.blogspot.com/ Lots and lots of sublinks to the multitude of fraud that happened recently.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

So everyone who needs ID will happily hop into his car and drive the two miles to the local DMV and get it this afternoon?

(You really want this thread closed?)

If they don't have it by 2014 it's their own fault, but I'm sure libs will still obstruct until then.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

If they don't have it by 2014 it's their own fault, but I'm sure libs will still obstruct until then.

No, libs won't. At least they have two years now instead of two months.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

No, libs won't. At least they have two years now instead of two months.

It takes 2 hours to get one... WITH travel time.

You can have a Passport in a Month... and that's because it has to be Mailed both ways...

A simple state ID is extremely simple to get if you are qualified to have one... its only difficult for those who aren't entitled to have one... and those not entitled to have one also aren't entitled to vote for that matter.

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Originally Posted by smoothy

a simple state ID is extremely simple to get if you are qualified to have one....its only difficult for those who aren't entitled to have one...and those not entitled to have one also aren't entitled to vote for that matter.

You apparently have never been homebound.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

You apparently have never been homebound.

then how to they collect benefits without a legal ID... How do they bank.. how do they shop... how do they do anything without ANY legal form of ID? How do they get medical care? How do they get food to eat?

I bet if they were giving out free stuff they could find a way to get there.

And people in persistent vegitative states don't get to vote.

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Originally Posted by smoothy

then how to they collect benifits without a legal ID.....How do they bank..how do they shop...how do they do anything without ANY legal form of ID? How do they get medical care? How do they get food to eat?

I bet if they were giving out free stuff they could find a way to get there.

And people in persistant vegitative states don't get to vote.

They depend on family members to bank and shop for food. They have legal forms of ID (library card, birth certificate, etc.), but not photo ID because they don't drive.

Maybe homebound and bedbound people shouldn't be allowed to vote.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

They depend on family members to bank and shop for food. They have legal forms of ID (library card, birth certificate, etc.), but not photo ID because they don't drive.

Maybe homebound and bedbound people shouldn't be allowed to vote.

Photo IDs don't HAVE to be drivers licenses. In fact EVERY state issues Photo ID's to non-drivers and always have. I bet if they needed to see a Doctor they would get out of that house fast enough...

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Originally Posted by smoothy

Photo IDs don't HAVE to be drivers liscenses. In fact EVERY state issues Photo ID's to non-drivers and always have. I bet if they needed to see a Doctor they would get out of that house fast enough.....

My mil's doctor and various home health care workers made housecalls. She had been a non-driver for years and had no photo ID. The state one has to be obtained at the DMV which she couldn't get to easily.

Hello again, Carol:

I appreciate your efforts.. But, smoothy will NEVER understand the community that you're talking about. He's no different than the other right wingers here, though. There's NO empathy there - NONE.

OR, they know very well what community it is and they don't WANT them to vote. What do you think?

excon

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, Carol:

I appreciate your efforts.. But, smoothy will NEVER understand the community that you're talking about. He's no different than the other right wingers here, though. There's NO empathy there - NONE.

OR, they know very well what community it is and they don't WANT them to vote. What do you think?

excon

Carol used to drive, did she have a license? If she did, why didn't she keep up with an ID?

I know its hard but it helps to read what's already been discussed before bringing it up again. And how much fraud can you prove? I say none on our side, but loads on yours, and your side still lost.

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Originally Posted by talaniman

I know its hard but it helps to read whats already been discussed before bringing it up again. And how much fraud can you prove? I say none on our side, but loads on yours, and your side still lost.

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Just for the record, the boys smacked the pack. After your snooze of course.

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Originally Posted by talaniman

Just for the record, the boys smacked the pack. After your snooze of course.

You smacked the Futbalasaurs, or are you fishing for a trophy for last week?

I mean't Week 10.

We're all just fighting for second anyway.

Practising for the playoffs.

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, Carol:

I appreciate your efforts.. But, smoothy will NEVER understand the community that you're talking about. He's no different than the other right wingers here, though. There's NO empathy there - NONE.

OR, they know very well what community it is and they don't WANT them to vote. What do you think?

excon

You mean the community of illegals, Felons, Dead people and those that feel they are entitled to vote as many times as they can get away with?

Because you can't do much of anything without a legal ID... there is NO reason someone too lazy to get one should be allowed to vote until they can prove they are who they claim.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

We're all just fighting for second anyway.

I'll whup little sis this week... although it would've been easier if Gronk didn't get lost for the season on a meaningless extra point play.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

I'll whup lil sis this week...although it would've been easier if Gronk didn't get lost for the season on a meaningless extra point play.

Good luck with that, she seems to have the touch. Opposing teams just inexplicably fail to show up.

She's due for a a$$ kicking... she mocks me for getting a trophy for beating her by 1 pt last time.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

She's due for a a$$ kicking ... she mocks me for getting a trophy for beating her by 1 pt last time.

Take her down.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

We're not the ones throwing a fit over any attempt to tighten standards.

Tightening standards is only going to solve one problem. As Tom is right when he points out that things are only going to get worse with the advent of electronic voting. Voter I.D. will be irrelevant when it comes to electronic fraud.

Anyway. I get the message. If your system is ideologically sound but dysfunctional when it comes to delivering a proper result then there is nothing that can be done. There other option that seems popular is to talk around the problem.

Tut

What they need is a good ole about of proportional representation

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Originally Posted by paraclete

what they need is a good ole bout of proportional representation

That would be our House of Representatives.

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Originally Posted by paraclete

what they need is a good ole bout of proportional representation

Perhaps a good dose of what is happening at the moment, or more importantly, what is going to happen in the future.

Tut