They are the only ones who have rights ex, just ask them.

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Hello again,

I thought right wingers LOVED the First Amendment. No, huh? As usual, they shoot the messenger. Look. If you have a problem with PUBLIC information, get mad at the legislators who MADE the list PUBLIC.

But, as long as it IS public, the press can report it. It IS a free press, no? I don't understand how wingers can LOVE parts of the First Amendment, and go ON, and ON, and ON, about how their religious rights have been violated, and then HATE the rest.. It makes NO sense
excon

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Neither does your use of this argument while telling us you're going to limit our 2nd amendment rights. Seems we haven't denied the paper's right to do it,

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Neither does your use of this argument while telling us you're going to limit our 2nd amendment rights. Seems we haven't denied the paper's right to do it,

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Damn phones...

They have the right, but that doesn't make it right. I doubt those folks knew this could happen. You apparently think they deserved it.

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Seems we haven't denied the paper's right to do it,

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On the contrary ;I used my 1st amendment right to protest ,and am using whatever economic power of persuasion my patronage has to influence their policies . Evidently there were enough similar minded people in my section of blue NY to make a difference .

Hello again, Steve:

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limit our 2nd amendment rights.

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Like we limit your right to drink. We DON'T let children drink. You can't be drunk in public. You can't DRIVE and drink. You can't drink in a car. We prosecute bartenders who overserve people...

NONE of that infringes on YOUR right to drink.

We're going to close the gun show loophole. We're going to make background checks that work. We're going to eliminate LARGE, HUGE, HUMONGOUS magazines.

None of that infringes on your right to protect your family, go hunting, or collect as many guns as you wish.. You can even use 'em to defend yourself against the US Army if you have a penchant for doing so.

Excon

PS> Anytime you wind up on a government list, the list is liable to be published. If you don't want to BE on that list, you could have bought your guns at a gun show, and NOT be on ANY list at all.. My guess is that there's TWICE as many guns in that community than there are on any list... Those people are the smart ones.. Do I think dumb people deserve what happens to dumb people? Uhhh, yup.

1. Everyone is making decisions on high emotions=bad decisions
2. Need to focus on re-establishing the family and moral education, most are not given good examples of this at home.
3. Assault weapons in most of these mass killings weren't even used. Were talking about banning weapons that weren't used. Does that make sense?
4. Getting tougher on guns equals more tax payer money wasted. I will guaruntee that it will not prevent one more event like this, not one more. It's pie in the sky. If you can prevent someone from thinking about doing this, then its less likely to happen. Someone will find a weapon if they want, strict gun control or not.
5. I don't have to worry about this in my kid's school because I know every parent is doing their job in teaching moral education. Yes we have "bad" kids to but Im not worried for one second that something like this will happen. Yes my kids school is very small and dam glad of it.

Excon, I love your last sentence on dumb people. LOL. Aren't we all dumb?

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3. Assault weapons in most of these mass killings weren't even used. Were talking about banning weapons that weren't used. Does that make sense?
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You have to start somewhere so you ban the weapons with the most killing power but I agree with you, semi automatic hand guns are just as dangerous and the ban should extend to them. What you really have to do is ban certain classes of people from possessing weapons, but changing the Constitution might be a bridge too far, so you ban certain classes of weapons to minimise the damage or you become radical and ban the manufacture or importation of these weapons

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, Steve:

Like we limit your right to drink. We DON'T let children drink. You can't be drunk in public. You can't DRIVE and drink. You can't drink in a car. We prosecute bartenders who overserve people...

NONE of that infringes on YOUR right to drink.

We're gonna close the gun show loophole. We're gonna make background checks that work. We're gonna eliminate LARGE, HUGE, HUMONGOUS magazines.

None of that infringes on your right to protect your family, go hunting, or collect as many guns as you wish.. You can even use 'em to defend yourself against the US Army if you have a penchant for doing so.

excon

PS> Anytime you wind up on a government list, the list is liable to be published. If you don't wanna BE on that list, you coulda bought your guns at a gun show, and NOT be on ANY list at all.. My guess is that there's TWICE as many guns in that community than there are on any list... Those people are the smart ones.. Do I think dumb people deserve what happens to dumb people? Uhhh, yup.

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So Americans are dumb. I knew that's what you libs thought, hence your neverending quest to nanny us. What gets me is you can't recognize your own contradictory stances. Nanny for me but not for thee.

I don't want or need your stinkin' nannies.

He didn't say Americans were dumb, and he seems to speak for himself, as he always does, but again you put words in his mouth and accuse everyone else of putting words in yours. You do it and cry foul when you THINK we are doing it.

You don't need a nanny, don't get one, but don't be mad at anyone who needs one. And don't try to muddy the waters by saying rules and boundaries take away your rights, or that we don't need a social safety net. Makes me think you are against rules to identify, prosecute, and protect the public from criminals, and seriously deranged people who kill a bunch of people.

That's the issue at hand and what's your solution?

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He didn't say Americans were dumb, and he seems to speak for himself, as he always does, but again you put words in his mouth and accuse everyone else of putting words in yours. You do it and cry foul when you THINK we are doing it.

You don't need a nanny, don't get one, but don't be mad at anyone who needs one. And don't try to muddy the waters by saying rules and boundaries take away your rights, or that we don't need a social safety net. Makes me think you are against rules to identify, prosecute, and protect the public from criminals, and seriously deranged people who kill a bunch of people.

Thats the issue at hand and whats your solution?

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My solution is to keep things reasonable. But by your posts my ideas seem totally unreasonable. Is there ever going to be a middle ground to this issue or is it always going to ride on emotions ?

I thought it was interesting that there were anti-gun control rallies yesterday and also accidental shootings at gun shows in North Carolina, Indiana, and Ohio that left five people hurt.

Hello again, Steve:

No, I didn't say Americans were dumb..

But, let me ask you this.. You don't LIKE the government.. I'm SURE you don't want to be ON any list that the government keeps. (I'm making this up about you. Feel free to stop me if you LOVE the government... ) And, if you FELT that way, and had a CHOICE between buying your gun at a shop where you WOULD be on a list, or buying your gun from a show where you WOULDN'T be on a list, the place to buy your gun would be obvious... NEITHER of those two methods of obtaining a gun are ILLEGAL, of course..

Therefore, to ME, and I guess ONLY to me, the ones who buy their guns from gun SHOWS are the smart ones... I should have put that way in the first place, because it's not NICE to call dumb people, dumb.

excon

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I thought it was interesting that there were anti-gun control rallies yesterday and also accidental shootings at gun shows in North Carolina, Indiana, and Ohio that left five people hurt.

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Accidents happen. And some people just don't get that. Notice what they didn't say about it is that no one died. A very important factor when your talking about guns. From what was invetigated they were accidents and charges at this time have not been filed against anyone. From what I read about it they were stupid at best.

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Accidents happen. And some people just dont get that. Notice what they didnt say about it is that no one died. A very important factor when your talking about guns. From what was invetigated they were accidents and charges at this time have not been filed against anyone. From what I read about it they were stupid at best.

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The reports did say no deaths. So, gun owners can be stupid?

LOL, isn't gun safety the issue in light of the possibility of accident will happen? And I don't entirely disagree with you calidad, on all your positions, just some of them which you and everyone else can count on me not being shy about my disagreement.

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The reports did say no deaths. So, gun owners can be stupid?

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Yep and so can do it yourself home repairers with a nail gun. Around here every weekend the hospitals have at least a couple admittances for " bagel palms" (BRI bagel-related injury)

So what do we do about the innocent victims of bad behavior? The deaths that are NOT accidents. How can we prevent the accidents that have happened?

Doing nothing is the path for more accidents and tragedies.

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So what do we do about the innocent victims of bad behavior? The deaths that are NOT accidents. How can we prevent the accidents that have happened?

Doing nothing is the path for more accidents and tragedies.

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We can start by doing the job that is already tasked on the books. If these weren't committed by criminals then there would be a solution. The problem is they are not. We have regulated responsibility already for gun ownership. People are being punished for being irresponsible - like leaving a loaded firearm where children have access to it. Heck we even have millions of illegal people in this country. How is it that stacking more laws on a problem seems to solve the problem. That is not what it is about. It is about enforcement of existing law and compliance. That along with education could cause a dramatic decrease in unwanted events. But like has happened many times in our media we blame the object and not the objectioner for the offense. We need to stop that. The demonizing of guns and what goes along with it like ROTC programs in schools just masks the real problem. It is time to take a hard look and see what shakes out in a rational manner and not seep it in emotion. I don't see the calling for the banning of cars yet more people are killed by them then any gun. Where is the sensibility on society ?

What would have been the solution in the Adam Lanza case? (based on what we know so far) Or the Columbine case?