Yes, especially the gerrymandering and telling indigenous people on reservations that they can't vote because their house doesn't have a number.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vacuum7
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Yes, especially the gerrymandering and telling indigenous people on reservations that they can't vote because their house doesn't have a number.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vacuum7
So you are admitting it was rigged. Fine. If you want to say both the House and the Senate arranged things to benefit themselves, then you might have a point.Quote:
No more than Moscow Mitch dedicating his efforts to making Obama a one termed president! He failed.
OK. You're really saying that the WB was not relevant? His motives were not relevant? His past association with the dem party was not relevant? And the only thing that was corroborated was the fact that Trump had a phone call, the contents of which were made public, and their non-criminal nature made obvious, very early on.Quote:
The WB, Adan Schiff, the Biden's? None are relevant to the dufus actions, not even the WB who started this thing after the WB allegations were corborated by subsequent 13 plus witnesses. Same thing happened to HC remember during her 7 hearings in the House. Pretty common for the majority to make the rules isn't it?
The hearings that resulted in articles of impeachment. It hasn't been 3.5 years since his election even today. That certainly was not true last summer.Quote:
Which hearings? Dems didn't even have the votes for inquiry until the Ukraine stuff came to light and that was 3 and a half years after the dufus was elected.
Oh come on we've been seeing these treaties summits and agreements for years that get trashed by Russia at a whim. That's why were in this mess. This is another one like the other ones so call me when the troops actually leave. I always liked your spin though Tom, especially about the dems and your favorite from the west coast. I do hope they get some peace in that region though but trusting a Russian without verification was something King Reagan preached never to do. I still believe in that.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
What do you call an administration who has an enemies list and a TV station of hitmen (and women)? The dufus is publicly checking his list, and vowing to take no prisoners. Heck! He won and refuses to move on, and all you conservatives think it's the dems who won't get over it? We can't have a "CIVIL" war like that! You know good and darn well losers of a battle lick wounds and reload!
You forget the purging of minorities that don't respond to their silly junk mail notices if indeed they actually send them out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Of course the "junk mail" is only sent to minorities. If you have any real evidence of that, I'd love to see it. Sounds to me just like more senseless complaining.Quote:
You forget the purging of minorities that don't respond to their silly junk mail notices if indeed they actually send them out.
Attachment 49298
I think that says it all
I'll be happy to dismiss your research out of hand without seeing it too JL.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Pretty good Clete! He needs a dog to come home to kick!
I'm not the one making a senseless, baseless claim. That would be you. It's just another example of race-based fantasy with no truth whatsoever supporting it. The terrible thing is that many people believe that nonsense and it allows them to sit down and say, "There is no point in me disciplining myself since, after all, those nasty repubs are trying to take away my right to vote anyway." Providing people with excuses is a wicked undertaking.Quote:
I'll be happy to dismiss your research out of hand without seeing it too JL.
jlisenbe: Absolutely true: The ENTIRE LYNDON JOHNSON GREAT SOCIETY DEBACLE was aimed at re-enslaving the Negro race and setting them up to simply be WOMB TO TOMB Demo voting machine level pullers....they could have given one damn about the Negro people or any other people, for that matter: its all about DEMOS STAYING IN POWER AT ANY COSTS!
Wonder if that was anything like Nixons southern strategy? I'll say it again, you repubs look like your constituents, and dems look like their constituents. Look for yourselves you don't have to take my word for it. That doesn't make either of you any more credible with race relations if you don't believe in it in the first place. ou just THINK you know what's on black persons mind but you don't have a clue so you talk and shut both ears instead of using your ears for a change.
Are you THAT threatened?
Come on, Tal. You offer a lot of your opinion, and that's fine as far as it goes, but it does not compel others to believe you. At some point there has to be data to support your ideas. You say dems look like their constituents? Well, if you look at the dems running for pres, which ones look like lower income minorities? And you have look at that as low income AND minorities. How do you answer that? As to what's on the minds of black people, you seem to suppose that ALL black people think exactly alike and so you know what ALL black people think. Isn't that the very definition of prejudice? I'm happy to report that black people by the hundreds of thousands are beginning to break free from the bondage of having their thinking dictated to them by liberal dems and are beginning to think like free men and women in order to make their own choices. It's a wonderful thing to observe.
The nominees are but a small group of the total which delivered HC 3 million more votes than the dufus, so spare me your prejudice that minorities are under control of dem libs when most are DEM LIBS too! Make sense? I suppose it would be wonderful to support conservative repubs in mass numbers then they would not have to resort to the tricks and traps to keep power.
But that's just my opinion and yours happens to be different.
Add interesting factoid
The 48 senators who voted to convict represent 12 million more people than the 52 that acquitted the dufus. STRANGE?
You just don't see it, do you?Quote:
minorities are under control of dem libs when most are DEM LIBS too!
Yet again makes me glad that we're a republic.Quote:
The 48 senators who voted to convict represent 12 million more people than the 52 that acquitted the dufus. STRANGE?
Some more factoids. Trump approval rating, despite the all out offensive of the dems, is now 49%. At the same point in their presidencies, your dearly beloved Obama was 45%, Clinton 47%, and HW 46%. In the meantime, the approval rating for Congress is only 23%. Hmmm and hmmm.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/203198/...ald-trump.aspx
You're right, I don't see why you insist on wanting what you can't seem to earn. I suppose it's normal to gloat when things go your way, but we both know that can change again don't we?
What?Quote:
I don't see why you insist on wanting what you can't seem to earn.
I'm really not gloating. I've said it a million times that I am not a big supporter of Trump. I do appreciate what he has done with the economy, standing up for the unborn, and appointing fed judges who actually want to adhere to the Constitution. However, I despise these budget deficits and I don't care for his abusive speech, but he is a vast improvement, in my judgement, over Obama and a million years ahead of the loonies currently running for the dem nomination. Might add that I don't think a pres should be impeached just because he is unlikable.Quote:
I suppose it's normal to gloat when things go your way, but we both know that can change again don't we?
Yes indeed I have had a few investments that have gone southQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
The words, actions, and behavior really turns minorities off, yet you insist on repeating the same stuff that keeps turning minorities off.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
I guess you will just have to live with the fact that even though the dufus and repubs want credit for this economy, dems and minorities saw Obama build it during a crisis and with much opposition from you guys for 8 years. Repubs always giving rich guys money and blasting the poor and minorities doesn't help your case much either, and the conservative drive to discriminate, suppress, oppress minorities rights in the name of some moral imperative will never win them over.Quote:
I'm really not gloating. I've said it a million times that I am not a big supporter of Trump. I do appreciate what he has done with the economy, standing up for the unborn, and appointing fed judges who actually want to adhere to the Constitution. However, I despise these budget deficits and I don't care for his abusive speech, but he is a vast improvement, in my judgement, over Obama and a million years ahead of the loonies currently running for the dem nomination. Might add that I don't think a pres should be impeached just because he is unlikable.
Saying you're not a big supporter of the dufus falls on deaf ears here, because your own words say otherwise. You are thrilled with what he has done and others are not is the simple answer, and while he rides high on the tide as he ever has now, watch what he does next! After his fixed senate trial result, no doubt the pain and humiliation of his foes surely will follow, and indeed has started with his SOTU campaign rally, shake up of his advisors, and his sycophants targeting his campaign foes for him.
You may say your not a big supporter JL, but you have gone along with his bad words, and actions just the same, and will keep doing so, while trying to flip the script back to us, the dems, and of course Obama right?
First of all, how would you possibly know what turns off all minorities? Secondly, perhaps it need to be said because it is true and it will help those who listen to it. Kind of a stunning revelation, isn't it?Quote:
The words, actions, and behavior really turns minorities off, yet you insist on repeating the same stuff that keeps turning minorities off.
As for the rest of your post, it's the same old tired mantra of how Obama, who could not produce a thriving economy in his eight years, is somehow responsible for what we have now. That's ridiculous. It's like a fired college coach claiming it was his hard work that enabled the next guy to win a national championship.
As to my support of Trump, unlike those of you who worshiped Obama and still cannot bring yourself to say even a single critical word about him. I am perfectly willing to be critical of Trump where he deserves it and have done so many times. Big difference. I have not gone along with his bad words. You need to stop making it up as you go along.
Flip the script back to Obama? Didn't you just do that in your post? That was you, wasn't it?
Kind of obvious since that's who they support, and have championed minority causes much more than repubs have and makes more sense than dems have a voodoo hold over them as you have eluded or that they cannot think for themselves and don't know what furthers their own interests. Plus dems don use the same tricks and traps minorities find onerous, admit publicly, and the rest of repubs go along with it like voter ID laws and then close their local DMV.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
It was growing and healthy and enabled the next president to benefits of a good economy no matter who won. That's a big deal and better than coming into a mess as Obama did, and the way the dufus lies out his orange butt that he did. Even you analogy is more than a bit bogus since college coach's don't get fired for winning, and who would believe a fired losing coach for claiming credit for another coaches success? That's a ridicules enough an analogy I've ever heard. Plus Obama wasn't fired, and is still respected for his years of service.Quote:
As for the rest of your post, it's the same old tired mantra of how Obama, who could not produce a thriving economy in his eight years, is somehow responsible for what we have now. That's ridiculous. It's like a fired college coach claiming it was his hard work that enabled the next guy to win a national championship.
Just my opinion but that's pretty petty to want fans of the previous president to criticize him after he is gone. He was our hero, the dufus is yours, just live with it dude.Quote:
As to my support of Trump, unlike those of you who worshiped Obama and still cannot bring yourself to say even a single critical word about him. I am perfectly willing to be critical of Trump where he deserves it and have done so many times. Big difference. I have not gone along with his bad words. You need to stop making it up as you go along.
I flip nothing but you do all the time.Quote:
Flip the script back to Obama? Didn't you just do that in your post? That was you, wasn't it?
How about just wanting Obama supporters to cease their genuflecting and get honest over his presidency? You want to say his economy was "good". I would say he did an OK job aided by a doubling of the national debt. Now Trump took the economy Obama left and has it setting records. That is simply the truth. You hate Trump so you won't accept it.Quote:
Just my opinion but that's pretty petty to want fans of the previous president to criticize him after he is gone. He was our hero,
Closing a DMV is only a problem if the state does not provide other means of ID. Mississippi has done that and I imagine most other states have done as well. But if you want to keep going down that tired old road, then explain to all of us why it is necessary to show ID to buy alcohol or tobacco, but not to vote. Is verifying age for alcohol more important than verifying name for voting???Quote:
voter ID laws and then close their local DMV.
Isn't that what you're basically doing?Quote:
who would believe a fired losing coach for claiming credit for another coaches success?
YOU'RE THE ONE WHO BROUGHT UP OBAMA, and then you accused me of "flipping the script" back to him. BUT YOU'RE THE ONE WHO DID IT, and in fact you just raised Obama's name again in this most recent post. If you don't want his name brought up, then police your own posts first before you start griping about mine.Quote:
]I flip nothing
How about at the Super Bowl party? His wife and youngest son Barron were on each side of him, respectfully standing with right hand on heart, and solemnly singing along to the National Anthem. tRump? Oh, he was pointing and gestulating like a crazy man, then started to play crazy orchestra conductor. Then not long after was the Prayer Breakfast.... Everybody should have walked out in disgust.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
I've read he can't name any book in the Bible, and his favorite verse is "an eye for an eye" -- actually part of the Code of Hammurabi, which predated the Bible -- NOT a verse in the Bible but mentioned by Jesus in His Sermon on the Mount, "You have heard that it was said, 'An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.' But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also." (Matthew 5:38–39)
Obama took REPUBLICAN George W. Bush's economic disasters and turned them around. tRump is sailing on those breezes.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
I will take your criticism as legit as long as you are equally willing to be critical of Kapernick for failing to even so much as STAND for the national anthem. Are you willing???Quote:
How about at the Super Bowl party? His wife and youngest son Barron were on each side of him, respectfully standing with right hand on heart, and solemnly singing along to the National Anthem. tRump? Oh, he was pointing and gestulating like a crazy man, then started to play crazy orchestra conductor. Then not long after was the Prayer Breakfast.... Everybody should have walked out in disgust.
You've read all of this where? Have you also read that Obama prayed for an hour a day and had the book of Isaiah memorized? Yeah. I didn't either.Quote:
I've read he can't name any book in the Bible, and his favorite verse is "an eye for an eye" -- actually part of the Code of Hammurabi, which predated the Bible -- NOT a verse in the Bible but mentioned by Jesus in His Sermon on the Mount, "You have heard that it was said, 'An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.' But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also." (Matthew 5:38–39)
I have been willing all along to acknowledge that Obama managed to avoid disaster with the economy and had tepid growth during his eight years. Are you equally willing to acknowledge that, "Comparing the last 21 months of the Obama administration with the first 21 months of Trump’s, shows that under Trump’s watch, more than 10 times the number of manufacturing jobs were added?" Now I'm going to bet that what seems to be your bitter resentment of Trump and love of liberal ideology will prevent you from giving him the same credit that you fall all over yourself giving Obama, but hopefully I am wrong about that. Perhaps you will prove me wrong.Quote:
Obama took REPUBLICAN George W. Bush's economic disasters and turned them around. tRump is sailing on those breezes.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckde.../#30b894c25850
I would kneel right next to him if I could!Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Trump: "Well, I think many. I mean, when we get into the Bible, I think many, so many. And some people, look, an eye for an eye, you can almost say that. That's not a particularly nice thing. But you know, if you look at what's happening to our country, I mean, when you see what's going on with our country, how people are taking advantage of us, and how they scoff at us and laugh at us. And they laugh at our face, and they're taking our jobs, they're taking our money, they're taking the health of our country. And we have to be firm and have to be very strong. And we can learn a lot from the Bible, that I can tell you."Quote:
You've read all of this where?
Sail along on Obama's breezes, Mr. Trump!Quote:
I have been willing all along to acknowledge that Obama managed to avoid disaster with the economy and had tepid growth during his eight years. Are you equally willing to acknowledge that, "Comparing the last 21 months of the Obama administration with the first 21 months of Trump’s, shows that under Trump’s watch, more than 10 times the number of manufacturing jobs were added?" Now I'm going to bet that your bitter hatred of Trump will prevent you from giving him the same credit that you fall all over yourself giving Obama.
So once again, where did he say any of this? "I've read he can't name any book in the Bible, and his favorite verse is "an eye for an eye."You gave a long rambling discourse in which you proved neither statement. Your interpretation of that quote is thoroughly dishonest. Trump was asked if he had a favorite Bible verse. His answer was, "I think many, so many." So on what planet do you think you managed to zero in on only one favorite verse when he plainly said he had "many"? ONE is not MANY. Boo! Be honest for goodness sake.Quote:
Trump: "Well, I think many. I mean, when we get into the Bible, I think many, so many. And some people, look, an eye for an eye, you can almost say that. That's not a particularly nice thing. But you know, if you look at what's happening to our country, I mean, when you see what's going on with our country, how people are taking advantage of us, and how they scoff at us and laugh at us. And they laugh at our face, and they're taking our jobs, they're taking our money, they're taking the health of our country. And we have to be firm and have to be very strong. And we can learn a lot from the Bible, that I can tell you.
But I will certainly acknowledge that Trump's knowledge of the Bible is likely limited. But do you really think that your liberal hero, Mr. Obama, knew any more? You think that his support of abortion on demand and gay marriage came from the Bible?
Then don't be a hypocrite and be critical of Trump. You're worse than him by far.Quote:
I would kneel right next to him if I could!
About what I figured.I think that hatred, resentment, and ideological fanaticism are terrible traits. They keep a person from being fair and well-balanced.Quote:
Sail along on Obama's breezes, Mr. Trump!
This is true, and no one could say the arguments here are well balanced, rather they are dependent upon partisan views and no amount of biblical quotations and interpretation will alter that factQuote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Then why do you and the dufus engage in such filth?Quote:
I think that hatred, resentment, and ideological fanaticism are terrible traits. They keep a person from being fair and well-balanced.
That's what I said! 8OQuote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Billionaire real estate mogul and Republican frontrunner Donald Trump has said while it's "not a particularly nice thing," the Bible verse about "an eye for an eye" is among his favorite scriptures.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
In an interview with WHAM 1180AM, Trump was asked to name his favirite verse in the Bible. He responded that he liked "many" verses, but one of them was "an eye for an eye."
https://www.christianpost.com/news/d...or-an-eye.html
Republican presidential front-runner Donald Trump revealed on Thursday that his favorite bible verse is "eye for an eye."
Trump made the revelation during an interview with conservative radio host Bob Lonsberry on WHAM 1180 AM in Rochester, New York, who had asked the real estate mogul-turned-presidential candidate if he had a favorite Bible verse or story that "informed" his thinking or character.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/dona...ry?id=38416270
Donald Trump said in a radio interview on Thursday that his favorite teaching in the Bible is the Old Testament punishment of an "eye for eye."
"Is there a favorite Bible verse or Bible story that has informed your thinking or your character through life, sir?" [was the question] asked [by] host Bob Lonsberry on WHAM 1180 AM.
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article...eye-for-an-eye
Bwahahahahaha!!!! LIMITED???Quote:
But I will certainly acknowledge that Trump's knowledge of the Bible is likely limited.
Yes, without a doubt!!!Quote:
But do you really think that your liberal hero, Mr. Obama, knew any more?
Yes!!! And I betcha he'd agree with me that, if guys kept their pants zipped, there wouldn't be a problem.Quote:
You think that his support of abortion on demand
and gay marriage came from the Bible?
Do you include yourself in that?Quote:
This is true, and no one could say the arguments here are well balanced,
WG, you do realize that you just posted a lot of text that categorically proves that "an eye for an eye" is NOT Trump's favorite text, but rather is one of his favorites? For instance, it says he liked "many" verses, but one of them was "an eye for an eye." "The Bible verse about "an eye for an eye" is among his favorite scriptures."
Also missing was any evidence that Trump knew no books of the Bible. As to Obama, you have no evidence that he knew anything about the Bible.
Yeah. I betcha he would, for what that's worth.Quote:
Yes!!! And I betcha he'd agree with me that, if guys kept their pants zipped, there wouldn't be a problem.
First of all, it's not a verse, nor a teaching. Second of all, FAVORITES??? Third of all, it's how he has run his life -- and still is. And Jesus said no, don't do this. Did tRump miss that part?Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
I didn't want to overwhelm you. Stay tuned.Quote:
Also missing was any evidence that Trump knew no books of the Bible. As to Obama, you have no evidence that he knew anything about the Bible.
Obama may or may not know books of the Bible, I don't know....Obama is not a dumb man by any means. I would venture to say Obama knows a lot about the Koran, and that is not a stab at Obama....he grew up, at least in part, in Indonesia and participated in a "Madrassa", where the Koran is memorized....probably had an indelible effect on him.
It is a verse and is very much an OT teaching. It is found in Exodus 21. "23 But if there is any further injury, then you shall appoint as a penalty life for life, 24 eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, 25 burn for burn, wound for wound, [x]bruise for bruise." I don't know how else to explain this. He never said it was his favorite. The most you could say is that it is among his favorites. You know, it might be that Trump knows more about the Bible than you do! (kidding)Quote:
First of all, it's not a verse, nor a teaching. Second of all, FAVORITE??? Third of all, it's how he has run his life -- and still is.
That much is obvious. You've come up with zero, so I'm still staying tuned for any kind of answers. I feel very "unoverwhelmed". Many thanks!Quote:
I didn't want to overwhelm you. Stay tuned.
When pressed a few days later in a Bloomberg TV interview, Trump declined to share his favorite Bible verses, saying: “I wouldn’t want to get into it. Because to me, that’s very personal.... The Bible means a lot to me, but I don’t want to get into specifics.” And when asked if he prefers the Old or New Testament, Trump responded, “Probably equal. I think it’s just incredible.”Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
A few weeks later [AFTER TALKING TO A CHRISTIAN SUPPORTER OR, MORE LIKELY, PAGING THROUGH A BIBLE], in an interview on the Christian Broadcasting Network, Trump expanded on his appreciation of the Bible:"There’s so many things that you can learn from it. Proverbs, the chapter ‘never bend to envy.’ I’ve had that thing all of my life where people are bending to envy. Actually it’s an incredible book, so many things you can learn from the Bible and you can lead your life. I’m not just talking in terms of religion; I’m talking in terms of leading a life even beyond religion. There are so many brilliant things in the Bible.https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump...ible_b_8912572
The Bible, is special, the Bible — the more you see it, the more you read it, the more incredible it is. I don’t like to use this analogy, but like a great movie, a great, incredible movie. You’ll see it once it will be good. You’ll see it again. You can see it 20 times and every time you’ll appreciate it more. The Bible is the most special thing."
Where in all of that clutter was there any evidence that "an eye for an eye" was Trump's favorite verse, or that he did not know any books of the Bible? You're beginning to sound desperate. At least it does seem that you have accepted that "an eye for an eye" is a text of the Bible AND a teaching of the Bible.
But that is much more complicated in Jewish law than what you are assuming by just seeing and reading the words. In any event, it's in the OT and doesn't apply to Christians.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
I haven't assumed anything. I've said nothing at all about the meaning of the text. As a therapist, do you find it interesting that you have inserted your own assumptions about what you think I might believe? I have only said that it IS in the Bible. It does not apply to Christians on a personal level, but it is very much relevant as a principle of law.Quote:
But that is much more complicated in Jewish law than what you are assuming by just seeing and reading the words. In any event, it's in the OT and doesn't apply to Christians.
I'm not suggesting Trump "knows his Bible" or that his life has been influenced by the Bible. I make no assumption that he is a Christian, but I don't care for people making false claims about him. I know of no evidence that Obama has ever made a confession of faith in Christ. He was a fan of abortion and gay marriage, and he lied whenever it suited him. Bash Trump if you want to, but please don't act like Obama or HC were candidates for sainthood.
Um, then what is this?Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
"It is a verse and is very much an OT teaching. It is found in Exodus 21. "23 But if there is any further injury, then you shall appoint as a penalty life for life, 24 eye for eye,"
No false claims from me! He doesn't need me. He is his own worst enemy!Quote:
I'm not suggesting Trump "knows his Bible" or that his life has been influenced by the Bible. I make no assumption that he is a Christian, but I don't care for people making false claims about him.
I said nothing about sainthood. And how did Hillary get into this????Quote:
I know of no evidence that Obama has ever made a confession of faith in Christ. He was a fan of abortion and gay marriage, and he lied whenever it suited him. Bash Trump if you want to, but please don't act like Obama or HC were candidates for sainthood.
"Barack Obama is a Protestant Christian. While in his twenties, Obama was involved with the Black churches. From 1992 until 2008, he was a member of the Trinity United Church of Christ—a Reformed denomination. Obama left it in the wake of the Jeremiah Wright controversy. Since 2008, he attends various Protestant churches, including Baptist, Methodist and Episcopalian churches." (Wikipedia)
W.G.: Obama also went to a Madrassa to memorize the Koran when he lived in Indonesia.....does that guarantee that Obama is a Muslim? NO! Obama goes to Christian Churches now....and that doesn't guarantee that he is Christian, either. There have been times in my life when I went to Church and I was eat slap up with sin! It really doesn't matter how you "act", what you say, or, even, what you know, why? What matters resided INSIDE OF YOU....THE OTHER STUFF DOES NOT MATTER....We shouldn't judge, because: Let he who is without sin caste the first stone.
Religion, any of them, should be on a personal relationship with God basis, not a venue for public displays.
I have absolutely no idea what point you're trying to make. I'm judging??? I, a Lutheran, attended a Southern Baptist VBS one summer. And attended church with my Catholic neighbors. And was part of an ecumenical weekly neighborhood Bible class. One member was atheist. Oh my, I'm going to hell!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Vacuum7
BO was a closet Muslim, the Christianity was a sham, just expedient on the path to the WH, and attending church while being affiliated with none means nothingQuote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Paraclete: If what you say about Obama is true, then he is truly, truly, truly a disgusting human being...and not because he could be a Muslim or not but for denying his chosen religion while cloaking to imitate his belonging to another....this is a horrible thing to do.
What is obvious, from W.G.'s writings, Obama CANNOT be a Protestant Christian if he attends Episcopal Church (not compatible as Episcopalian is a Catholics rooted scism).
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