Hey ex with your grasp of history your posts might be written by Sarah PalinQuote:
Originally Posted by excon
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Hey ex with your grasp of history your posts might be written by Sarah PalinQuote:
Originally Posted by excon
If the gvt shuts down it will be at the hands of the emperor. Some eunich Repubics are indeed panicking.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Then you better run from Ted and his minions, and cut a deal. Oh they will be mad at the government, but most of us see, yet again, who is taking hostages and making unreasonable demands, and threaten the republic.
By most of us, I mean both democrats, republicans, and independents. That leaves his base, the loony right to praise this idiot.
Wish we had more like Cruz in the Senate . Here's the deal... Obamacare is not even close to ready for implementation . Most state exchanges are not ready and I haven't even heard of a plan for the Federal exchange. The emperor can't decide who he wants to exempt and who he wants to screw . He has illegally made exemptions and unilaterally and unconstitutionally granted tax credits etc . The Pelosi Reid Congress wrote into the law an unconstitutional provision that extends funding credits to Obamacare for a decade knowing they were being booted out of the majority .
So the compromise that will avoid a confrontation that could result in the emperor and Reid shutting the gvt down would be delay implementation for a year ;and take up this fight again after the 2014 mid-terms .
You got your sequester, be happy with it as it kicks in. You have bills that give money to rich farmers, a few in congress, and cut food stamps by billions. Still you shill for the insurance industry, and note how crazy we are for helping ordinary citizens trapped in the biggest financial disaster of our time. No jobs bill for them even though we have PLENTY of work, and PLENTY of people who need it.
Still you want more from the poor and working poor and give nothing back. Naw! Lets have this confrontation.
If, as you say, this is so, what does it take to connect the two. I suggest you are spouting a myth. We saw this myth in operation for many years here. Jobs than no one was skilled for and they created a fabrication something like your green card that allowed foreign workers to be hiredQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
When you see me supporting subsidies for rich farmers then I'll consider that comment relevant... plenty of work ? You must be talking about those table waiting jobs that are making up the biggest increase in women's jobs. That's yourQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Obama-recovery . FAIL!!
Well we could build, rebuild some bridges, pave some more highway, you know things besides women waiting table jobs. But whose stopping that? YOU GUYS ARE. Not you personally, but republican elected officials.
I went through this with Reagan, and survived.
Bs ;our policies would 'pave the way' for all those infrastructure jobs you think are a cure all .Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Hello again, tom:
That IS the spin, isn't it? But, NOBODY believes that. All you're doing is guaranteeing that Nancy Peloci will win back her speakership..Quote:
So the compromise that will avoid a confrontation that could result in the emperor and Reid shutting the gvt down
Bwa, ha ha ha ha ha... Snicker, snicker..
Excon
Just passing the jobs bill would be easier. Like you could have done a few years ago. Naw you were to busy trying to make Obama a one term president and you failed. So what's the excuse now?Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
The fact is that the emperor has drawn a hard line against even negotiating with Republicans on Obamacare or even the debt ceiling. That's what's leading to the threat of a government shutdown, which the Dems believe will work in their favor.They are probably right given their special relationship with the pretorian guard of the 4th estate .
Meanwhile ,despite Tals claims ,it is the Dems who stand to reap the greatest rewards with their special relationship with the insurance lobby .
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/18/us...-law.html?_r=0
You are stuck in the 30sQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
But lawmakers have been doing lobby work for years (decades even), so why is it a sin now?Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
So you approve of it... I thought so.
I thought you guys hated lobbyists. In fact, I recall a promise the emperor made, and one of the first he broke...Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
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"I am running to tell the lobbyists in Washington that their days of setting the agenda are over. They have not funded my campaign. They won't work in my White House."
There is no difference between a lobbyist, and a consultant, except one is illegal for 5 years after leaving government. It's a loophole, this is one of many. Want to close it? I wouldn't mind.
His political position is untenable, even with the media carrying his water. He will be grinding things to a halt to force Obamacare on the public even though he himself has slashed Obamacare for the benefit of big business and members of Congress
Ordered Liberty » Defund Obamacare!
Now these are FACTS Congress specifically the house has to approve all spending.
They did, so don't balk when you get the bill. All you had to do was say no. YOU GUYS DIDN"T say NO!!!Quote:
When it comes to spending, Congress has primacy, and pride of place rests with the House (the one-half of one-third Republicans control) because the Constitution mandates that spending bills originate in the lower chamber – the one closest to the people. Equally important, the hard jobs in government are the ones where an officeholder has to do something. It is a lot easier when all that's necessary is to refuse to act. Spending requires a positive act by Congress – not a thin dime may be spent unless Congress approves. That is, there can be no spending on Obamacare unless Congress votes to approve it. Thus, the one-half-of-one-third crowd is in the driver's seat. All they need to do is say, “No.” It is President Obama who needs action here – congressional Republicans need only decline to act.
McCarthy is not quite correct on that point . Since we are still working on a CR ,a move has to be made to take the funding out of the CR (remember that the Dems added a decade worth of funding in the law when they "deemed "it. )
Well it just passed in the house. One dem and one repub crossed over.
Hello again,
It occurs to me that right wingers AREN'T afraid the law will FAIL, as much as they're afraid that it will SUCCEED and become part of the fabric of the collective conscience. Worst yet, it'll be a clear legacy victory for President Obama. Can't have that.
If they actually think it's a "trainwreck", they should let it be implemented, and when it turns out to BE a trainwreck, it'll be EASY to repeal...
excon
There's that word 'collective ' again. I heard the emperor use that word yesterday when he was speaking about how important the government was in our lives.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
But why would I want a 'train wreck ' implemented just to prove my point ? The right thing to do would be to attempt to prevent a train wreck .
Ah, but there might NOT be a train wreck, and the journey will be through amazing picturesque countryside.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Hello again, tom:
Because that would be the ONLY way you COULD prove your point... Certainly, flapping your gums ain't doing it.Quote:
But why would I want a 'train wreck ' implemented just to prove my point ?
Excon
So you think I want the economy destroyed to prove my point ? You are talking to me.. not the emperor.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Progressives want to build a new house we all can live in, and conservative want to fix up the old house for themselves and everybody else can sleep in the back yard.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
We gotcha.
Progressives expect a couple of the people to pay for the entire apartment block to be built
You want to inflict this monstrosity on the people while at the same time delaying corporate mandates ;and exempting government employees. At the minimum the individual mandate should be delayed until the exchanges are set up , the software works ,and there is actually a way to verify eligibility for the subsidies .Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
But no ;you want individuals to start paying for the plan before there is ever a chance of it working . Let me advise you that the best thing you could do at this point is call your Reps in Capitol Hill and insist that the implementation get delayed until after the 2014 elections.
Nahh this plan is a train wreck that I don't want to see inflicted on the American people .
Hello again, tom:
Round 6 months ago we had a presidential election... One guy said his FIRST job was to repeal Obamacare.. He lost.Quote:
you want to inflict this monstrosity on the people
Doesn't THAT poll count?
Excon
Yes, people with no insurance should get some right NOW! Why is this a big deal if you have insurance already? The only states that aren't ready are the ones the republican governors have dithered on but the insurances companies are ready.Quote:
But no ;you want individuals to start paying for the plan before there is ever a chance of it working
You want to make excuses for the next 8 days, go ahead.
You want to shutdown the government unless its repealed, GO AHEAD.
I know, you don't care, we're supposed to love this thing that most Americans don't want and never did anyway. But here goes anyway, the reason we've had this crap on forced on us? Obama needed a campaign applause line...
And so from an applause line by the guy who probably wasn't going to win anyway who needed SOMETHING to say, we're screwed. Compare to the Syria red line, he just needed something to say. What else is a product of the guy just needed something to say? Terrific...Quote:
“We needed something to say,” recalled one of the advisers involved in the discussion. “I can’t tell you how little thought was given to that thought other than it sounded good...
Good luck with health care exchanges that aren't ready to go in finding something that doesn't give you fewer choices than you had before.
Over to you for the "it just needs a few tweaks" pablum.Quote:
Lower Health Insurance Premiums to Come at Cost of Fewer Choices
By ROBERT PEAR
WASHINGTON — Federal officials often say that health insurance will cost consumers less than expected under President Obama’s health care law. But they rarely mention one big reason: many insurers are significantly limiting the choices of doctors and hospitals available to consumers.
From California to Illinois to New Hampshire, and in many states in between, insurers are driving down premiums by restricting the number of providers who will treat patients in their new health plans.
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Some consumer advocates and health care providers are increasingly concerned. Decades of experience with Medicaid, the program for low-income people, show that having an insurance card does not guarantee access to specialists or other providers.
Consumers should be prepared for “much tighter, narrower networks” of doctors and hospitals, said Adam M. Linker, a health policy analyst at the North Carolina Justice Center, a statewide advocacy group.
But... but... but... Massachusetts LOVES Romneycare!Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Hello:
In my state, I calculated the cost for a 32 year old single person who makes $25,000 a year. His cost for a silver plan (not the best, but not the worst), is $144/mo.Quote:
Over to you for the "it just needs a few tweaks" pablum.
That's not bad. No tweaking needed here.
Yeah... That's the stuff I focus on - the people who'll benefit. That's about 33 MILLION people. If you want to offer an amendment that'll tweak how we pay for it, that'll be GREAT. But, it's HERE. It's the LAW of the LAND, and it AIN'T going anywhere.
If you DON'T suggest a better way to pay for it, then the way the DEMOCRATS did it, will take effect shortly... So, you can be part of the SOLUTION, or you can shut down the government...
How's that going to work for you?
Before I go, let me ask you this: If kidnappers killed your children because you DIDN'T pay the ransom, is their death on YOU, or the kidnappers??
Excon
In 13 states plus DC... premiums will be 24% higher than BEFORE Obamacare.
Interactive Map: In 13 States Plus D.C., Obamacare Will Increase Health Premiums By 24%, On Average - Forbes
Competition will bring that back down. Sit tight. Breathe deeply. This is America, the land of free enterprise.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Yeah and right... just like the total cost is now well over triple what Obama promised would be the total cost...Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Excuse me if I don't believe an administration that has lied about everything for 5 straight years.
I click on a few states and there was no data yet for the exchange rates. Half the staes cited had lower rates
Most states are seeing rate hikes; some will see reductions
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Three states will see meaningful declines in rates: Colorado (34 percent), Ohio (30 percent), and New York (27 percent).
The better the rules and regulation, the cheaper the price. Thanks Smoothy. Oh it says states have to make rules and regulations to keep prices down in the ACA.Quote:
Because Obamacare forces most Americans to buy health insurance, and subsidizes the purchase of that insurance for certain low-income populations, individual-market premiums in many of these highly-regulated states will go down. But in most others, rates will go up
That's easy... everyone will have a $20,000 deductible. That's how prices are kept down... services are limited and out of pocket is increased.
That's the differnce between a good and a cheap medical plan now... and its not going to change... you can't get something for nothing.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapoth...amily-of-four/
http://b-i.forbesimg.com/theapotheca...tperFamily.png
Dude, even the NY Times admits the insurance companies are going to be dictating even fewer choices - and all thanks to a guy who just needed something to say. All he wanted was to win and damn the consequences.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
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