LOL, now define "reasonable parameters"
P.S. a law that applies equally is fair, and comfort is not a right.
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LOL, now define "reasonable parameters"
P.S. a law that applies equally is fair, and comfort is not a right.
Comfort is for the individual to feel that he has complied with the law.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
You're quibbling.
Hello again, Steve:
You're asking lay people discuss the nuances of the law.. Instead of wondering what WE think about the law, you should be reading the cases wherein LOTS and LOTS of judges have RULED that these laws constitute VOTER SUPPRESSION..
Now, if it was just ONE judge, you could say he was an outlier. But, in case after case, the voter ID laws have been STRUCK down - not BECAUSE of voter ID, but because of the PROCESS in which it was implemented...
Look... I don't know HOW any of the judges defined the words you want us to define... All I know is they DID define them, and found the process to be UNCONSTITUTIONAL...
excon
It's not that complicated. Nearly everyone has ID and if they don't they're going to need it anyway. Proving you're eligible to vote is reasonable.Quote:
Comfort is for the individual to feel that he has complied with the law.
No, this idea that government needs to make sure people are "comfortable" is lunacy. I'm not "comfortable" at all with Obamacare, make me "comfortable."Quote:
You're quibbling.
I don't have a valid ID and it would be very difficult for me to obtain it.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Cry me a river.
Just sayin'. And I'm a well-educated, well-read white woman in a metropolitan area.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
That means you probably have enough proof of residency and citizenship to obtain a valid ID .
What you mean is that it would inconvenience .
Yes, but getting it would be virtually impossible.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Getting a picture id is impossible ? Maybe in Chi-town ,not in NY .
In my situation, yes, nearly impossible. Has nothing to do with where I live.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
And there are many like me who would need lots of time to work out the logistics.
I don't buy it. Nope, not one bit.
So in everyday situations when your asked for ID you just simply say you don't have any. Like police officers or doctors or if you want to open an account somewhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Why nearly impossible?
Like too many other people I know, I'm homebound.Quote:
Originally Posted by califdadof3
Hello again,
As a footnote to the discussion, I believe my fears were unfounded.
Ok, that's not true.. I was very afraid that the suppression efforts would WORK, but it appears to have done the exact opposite. It GALVANIZED the community instead, and they came out in droves REFUSING to be stopped.
I think it's what pushed Obama over the top.
excon
Yeah yeah, those darn states with voter ID laws sure do know how to turn them away don't they??Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
http://wreg.com/2012/11/02/second-highest-voter-turnout-in-tennessee-history/
What pushed Obama over the top was a hurricane, a governor, a complicit media and new voters fresh off their liberal indoctrination. And blacks refusing to vote for the white guy.
I don't find that true at all. Romney could have won. The numbers were there. But the hard fact is that many republicans sat on their hands on election day. Its not about who voted but more about who didn't vote because they didn't like the choice that was made for them. Its really something that needs to be debated in the party as a whole.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Hello again, Steve:
I understand why everybody is to blame but YOU - the CONSERVATIVE. That's because if you admitted the truth, you'd realize that the country REPUDIATED conservatism. It REPUDIATED tax cuts for the rich. It REPUDIATED self deportation.. It REPUDIATED sending a surrogate out to say that Obama is lazy, and not very bright. It REPUDIATED lying about saving the auto industry. It REPUDIATED vaginal probes. It REPUDIATED ANY thoughts that old white men should decide what happens to a women's body.. It REPUDIATED the final and biggest lie of all, that Jeep was sending jobs to China...
But, more importantly, it VALIDATED Obama, our first and NOW second black president.. It VALIDATED Obamacare. It VALIDATED taxing the rich. It VALIDATED Obama's efforts on the economy. I could go on, and on...
As we've discussed, you want to go FURTHER right, and I hope you do.
excon
Sure, but based on actual turnout I think I'm largely correct. Republicans have work to do.
Dude, as long as you keep lying about us I predict more of the same. Obama had no second term agenda, he won by demonizing Romney wagung mythical wars. If you want an un-serious country you've succeeded.
Hello again, Steve:
I know you love Mexicans.. You live amongst them and some of them are your best friends... But your PARTY wants to send their grandmother back to Mexico. Now, they might share a beer with you now and then, but they're voting for Obama.
excon
Dude, when Obama was elected we had America. Now we have Fast Times at Ridgemont High.
"All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz, and I'm fine." -Jeff Spiccoli
All the people of color rejected the lying white guys that called them names. Even the white women.
Why did they believe the black guy?
You have two years to get with the program.
Called them what names exactly?
Hey if you didn't hear them, you didn't hear them. I suppose you would either have to be the insulter or the insulted to understand. Trust me, the insulted heard them loud and clear. And voting accordingly. Especially the women.
You didn't hear Romney say irrelevant?
So you can't cite when we called them namesQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Vote was astronomical for Obama in some Philadelphia wards - Philly.com
Nope ;no fraud happening here .
In other words, you got nothing.Quote:
Hey if you didn't hear them, you didn't hear them. I suppose you would either have to be the insulter or the insulted to understand. Trust me, the insulted heard them loud and clear. And voting accordingly. Especially the women.
Hello tom:
So, when ALL the black people go out to vote, it OBVIOUSLY means they're cheating...
Look.. I know people cheat. I knew this guy who waited in line for 4 hours to cast his own vote, and then he waiting in live for ANOTHER 4 hours to cast the fraudulent vote... He was supposed to cast yet a SECOND fraudulent vote but, he got tired of waiting in line...
excon
Here is something that is from the link posted earlier.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
(House Speaker Sam Smith, musing over "staggering" turnout in some city precincts and reacting to wrong information that "90 percent of the precincts in Philadelphia County turned out over 90 percent of voters," called the ability to get such numbers "questionable."
Smith's math does not add up. Voter turnout in Philadelphia was around 60 percent, according to state election figures.)
With electronic voting we no longer can verify votes in this country. So every election is going to be a crapshoot. If you do see higher rates then historical averge then you have the right to question it. But you need the facts first.
Philadephia wards often have historically high turnouts ;sometimes over 100% of registered voters.
You have already called them straw arguments, and taken out of context, and even agreed with the speaker, so what's the point when we have already argued that point.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
The election is over and my guy won despite the obstacles. That's the undisputed FACT! The rest is Monday morning speculation. Well its undisputed by most of us.
Allen West is pressing on in challenging the results of his election. No wonder why...
Nope, there's never any election fraud to worry about. But then again it is Florida.Quote:
Democrat Patrick Murphy, who leads West by some 2,000 votes, is trying to stop a full recount of controversial early ballots cast in St. Lucie County. His current victory margin is just large enough to avoid triggering an automatic recall of all precincts and all votes.
Then there is Gertrude Walker, the 32-year-veteran election supervisor of St. Lucie County, who has spent much of the last two weeks explaining why her office completely botched the count. She admitted that her office had acted in “haste” in issuing election results, and that “mistakes were made.” Among her mistakes was failing to count 40 of the 94 precincts under her jurisdiction on Election Night — and then counting the other 54 twice. Indeed. On Friday, her office announced it had “discovered” 304 additional early votes left in a box. None had been counted
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Originally Posted by speechlesstx
So we have turned up another scam have we? Why am I not surprised? No amount of voter I.D. is going to stop this type of thing. I am not saying that voter I.D. is not going to solve some aspect aspects of voter fraud, but it is not going to stop this type of scamming.
Isn't the election of, The President of the United States important enough to get it right? In the end, how do you know Romney really lost? In four years time you will probably have most states with voter I.D. This will only result in more sophisticated scamming. One thing this thread has shown me. Both sides can keep complaining, but in the end nothing will ever get done. Implement some meaningful change or its just a waste of words.
Tut
It will get much worse because electronic voting can be hacked. I once thought like Ex that internet voting would be a good idea. But now I'm in favor of paper ballots and hand counts only . I also thing we should dip our index finger into indelible ink and we should be rounded by up by DHS for a mandatory vote .
But short of draconian measures ,I think verifiable voter ID is a good start.
Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
So it's an ideological objection rather than any real objection.In light of this I'll change my response from "...nothing will ever get done" to"...very little will ever get done".
Tut
Ideological in that I think the fundamental foundations of our system is sound ?
Absolutely right. And making an effort to reduce fraud via things as voter ID is better than doing nothing and in my view entirely reasonable.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
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