Ask Me Help Desk - The IRS scandal

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Originally Posted by tomder55

it is not victimless . Hundreds of conservative and Christian groups were denied equal protection of the law. If this happened to an organization like NAACP I assure you the Holder Justice Dept would be all over this .

The point is that might be so but conducting hundreds of interviews will do nothing towards prosecuting the people who did it. Don't you think there are more important crimes to investigate, crimes with real victims who need the protection of the law. Yes it is unfortunate that someone didn't get a benefit they might have been entitled to and just maybe some law was violated. This time the system worked for the left, in the past it has worked for the right. A foul has been called. If the FBI wasn't stuffing about with this they might have caught that leaker before he got away or does the NSA investigate itsself so those who violate the law aren't caught

Hello again,

I too wonder why congress doesn't get to the bottom of it. Issa HAS the power to investigate. He HAS the power to jail people if they don't cooperate. He HAS subpoena power. He HAS the power of the purse. If the IRS IS targeting people because of their politics, then I want to KNOW who's doing it.

WHAT is Issa hiding? Why won't he investigate? What is he afraid of? Who is he protecting?

excon

The most tedious fall back position here is "the other side does it too" .

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If the FBI wasn't stuffing about with this they might have caught that leaker before he got away or does the NSA investigate itsself so those who violate the law aren't caught

Nah ,the FBI never saw the Boston Marathon bombers come and go even when they were warned about them. Their failure in other cases has nothing to do with their inaction on this case. This is more in line with Holder's refusal to prosecute the New Black Panthers intimidation of voters in Philadelphia. Holder investigates and prosecutes according to a political agenda instead of a fair and impartial rule of law.

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again,

I too wonder why congress doesn't get to the bottom of it. Issa HAS the power to investigate. He HAS the power to jail people if they don't cooperate. He HAS the subpoena power. He HAS the power of the purse. If the IRS IS targeting people because of their politics, then I want to KNOW who's doing it.

WHAT is Issa hiding?? Why won't he investigate?? What is he afraid of? Who is he protecting??

excon

Hard to investigate when the enforcement arm of the government is part of the stonewalling .

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Originally Posted by paraclete

The point is that might be so but conducting hundreds of interviews will do nothing towards prosecuting the people who did it. Don't you think there are more important crimes to investigate, crimes with real victims who need the protection of the law.

I guess you have no concept of the power the IRS holds.

Hello again, tom:

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hard to investigate when the enforcement arm of the government is part of the stonewalling .

Nahhh... Issa has his OWN investigators, if he chooses to use them. He doesn't need the FBI. He doesn't need ANYBODY. The Constitution gives HIM the POWER. The question you should be asking, is why doesn't he USE it?

Why are you covering for Issa..

Excon

You know the FBI investigation is the Obama admin investigating itself, launched by Eric Holder. It's relevant to ask why they haven't done anything.

It is also clear that a special independent prosecutor is required. However ,Congress cannot appoint one.. It has to come from the executive.

Hello again, Steve:

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It's relevant to ask why they haven't done anything.

Uhhh, because they're investigating themselves?? Why are YOU covering for Issa?

Excon

Hello again, tom:

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it is also clear that a special independent prosecutor is required.

Not to me.. Do you think the founders FAILED to give congress the ability to oversee the executive?? Issa HAS power, and PLENTY of it.. Yet, he WON'T use it.

Why are you covering for him?

Excon

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, tom:
Not to me.. Do you think the founders FAILED to give congress the ability to oversee the executive??? Issa HAS power, and PLENTY of it.. Yet, he WON'T use it.

Why are you covering for him?

excon

Short of a constitutional crisis by sending the Sgt at Arms to arrest Holder ,what do you think he should do?? Oh yeah... and short of giving immunity to everyone involved .

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Originally Posted by tomder55

short of a constitutional crisis by sending the Sgt at Arms to arrest Holder ,what do you think he should do ??? oh yeah ...and short of giving immunity to everyone involved .

And if he did take over for the FBI he'd call it overreach.

Hello again, tom:

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short of a constitutional crisis by sending the Sgt at Arms to arrest Holder ,what do you think he should do??

I sound like YOU.

You start at the beginning. You give Lois Lerner immunity and find out what SHE knows and follow the trail. If it gets to Holder or Obama, THEN you subpoena them.

Do you not know this? Why are you covering for Issa?

Excon

Hello again, tom:

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and short of giving immunity to everyone involved .

I could have edited my comments above, but THIS deserves its own post...

Look. You don't want Lois Lerner. You don't want a middle manager. You don't even want the TOP IRS guy. You want HOLDER and/or OBAMA.. If that's your goal, and it IS, then you give immunity to EVERYBODY until you GET them.

If your goal is to holler and scream and do NOTHING, then you'd make noises like YOU and Issa are making.. I say again, WHY are you covering for Issa?

Excon

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, tom:
I sound like YOU.

You start at the beginning. You give Lois Lerner immunity and find out what SHE knows and follow the trail. If it gets to Holder or Obama, THEN you subpoena them.

Do you not know this? Why are you covering for Issa?

excon

Would YOU give immunity before you know what she will testify ? Probably not .

She already sounds like a mafioso under testimony . I can hear it now... Alright Ms Lerner ... you have complete immunity . What do you know ? http://fritzbreland.files.wordpress....gt_schultz.gif

Hello again, tom:

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would YOU give immunity before you know what she will testify ?

If I didn't know WHO she'd SNITCH on, and I REALLY, REALLY wanted to know, then OF COURSE I would... Besides, if she knows NOTHING, then you've LOST nothing by giving her immunity...

Poor right wingers... You can't give her immunity WITHOUT knowing what she'll say, but you can't know what she'll say WITHOUT giving her immunity... So, the thing to do, is NOTHING.

Excon

Like you'd let someone off the hook before knowing what it is they have to offer.

Issa has found out that it's easier to accuse, call names, throw rocks, and get you guys all pumped up, and excited than to actually get the result he wants. Or maybe he got what he wanted his face on camera, accusing, calling names, and getting wingers pumped up and excited.

Just another tough talking guy who got power and tries to be a bully, like the rest of the wingers on the right. You guys love your bullies. But like most they can't do a darn thing when people refuse to be bullied by your tough guys.

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Originally Posted by talaniman

Issa has found out that it's easier to accuse, call names, throw rocks, and get you guys all pumped up, and excited than to actually get the result he wants. Or maybe he got what he wanted his face on camera, accusing, calling names, and getting wingers pumped up and excited.

Just another tough talking guy who got power and tries to be a bully, like the rest of the wingers on the right. You guys love your bullies. But like most they can't do a darn thing when people refuse to be bullied by your tough guys.

I get it, you're OK with the IRS being the new Gestapo.

It happens often here I notice.
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