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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

And the non-union ones do too. It's all those administrators that are the problem and money-sucker-uppers.

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No, teachers that do it for the children don't skip class with fake doctor's notes to protest.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

No, teachers that do it for the children don't skip class with fake doctor's notes to protest.

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In which school?

Wisconsin.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Wisconsin.

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All of the schools or one in particular?

Here is all you need to know about what is wrong with teacher's unions

EXCLUSIVE: Perv music teacher Aryeh Eller, who only worked one year full time, has collected $1 million for 13 years in rubber room - NYPOST.com

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Originally Posted by tomder55

here is all you need to know about what is wrong with teacher's unions -- teacher Aryeh Eller, who only worked one year full time, has collected $1 million for 13 years in rubber room - NYPOST.com

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One out of how many honest ones?

Like the Dixon, IL, comptroller who stole $54M from the village since 1991 to care for her 400+ quarter horses? ALL village/city comptrollers are dishonest and evil!! Beware!!

Why are there ANY teachers retained who cannot be trusted in the class room ? I'll answer that for you... union rules.

Edit there are many more teachers in the NYC system that sit in 'rubber rooms ' getting paid for nothing

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Originally Posted by tomder55

why are there ANY teachers retained who cannot be trusted in the class room ? I'll answer that for you ... union rules.

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NONE can be trusted?

Is everything all or nothing with you?

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Is everything all or nothing with you?

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It obviously is with you.

So workers have no rights, and should be glad to have a job, and shut up, and do as they or told or get another job. That's your position?

No you haven't progressed beyond union shops keeping the pay scale for non union members, you still benefit from it, without paying dues.

And yes I rail against loony righties who destroy clinics and kill doctors but I also am against union memebers who think its okay to do the same thing.

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It obviously is with you.

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That makes no sense, I'm not the one builds that ridiculous straw man of opposition to something is opposition to everything.

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That makes no sense, I'm not the one builds that ridiculous straw man of opposition to something is opposition to everything.

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You said no union teachers can be trusted to do right by their students.

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You said no union teachers can be trusted to do right by their students.

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Case in point, no, I did not say any such thing. But feel free to provide the exact quote where I disqualified them all.

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Case in point, no, I did not say any such thing. But feel free to provide the exact quote where I disqualified them all.

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Oooops, sorry --it was tomder who disqualified them all. I guess I figured you were on the same page.

Ok, where's the quote from tom?

I'd be interested to see where I said that too.

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why are there ANY teachers retained who cannot be trusted in the class room ? I'll answer that for you ... union rules.

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Maybe it's how it's worded, a mix of negs and positives... sounds negative. i.e. no teacher can be trusted because of union rules.

I was commenting specifically on teachers who spend a good part of their career in so called 'rubber rooms' where rules prevent them from being fired ,even though they are incompetent ;and in some cases predators. But you knew what I meant already because saying that there were no competent teachers would've been an absurd proposition. So you were just nit picking . I neither spell check nor grammar check my contributions to this site.

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I neither spell check nor grammar check my contributions to this site.

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That's scary.