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Oh yeah... and there is THAT.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Imagine a unsuspecting father that loans his phone to his kid... and they do that... and well, you see where that's going legally.
I am FAR from being a prude... but heck, what ARE these kids thinking. They HAVE to understand once its out there... its out there, and will always be.
Hello again,
George Bush merely eavesdropped and/or detained American citizens without due process rights. I complained loudly about that stuff. My protestations, however, were disparaged on these boards. You supported Bush, when he claimed the powers of a King.
Yet here you have Barack Obama not merely eavesdropping on/and detaining American citizens without oversight, but ordering them killed with no oversight and no due process of any kind.
That ain't going to fly with me. But, I'll bet you righty's love it... If only it weren't coming from HIM.. How do you reconcile that?
excon
Are you talking about the order to wack Anwar al-Awlaki who is overseas waging war against the United States ? Yeah I say go go for it.
Does it matter where the "battle field " is in this war when one day it is in AfPakia ,the next in Yemen ;the next on a flight to Detroit ,or some diplomat testing our defenses by having a smoke in an airliner lavatory ?
This cleric is actively recruting jihadists to kill Americans . I don't care if he is an American citizen .As far as I'm concerned his citizenship should be revoked
Hello tom:Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
You mistake my support for the Constitution and the Rule of Law to be support for our enemy. I understand the knee jerking. So did the founders. That's why they wrote the Bill of Rights.
I'm just like you. MY knee jerks too. But, I'm willing to let my knee jerk get filtered through the Constitution. Right wingers, like yourself (and Barack Obama, apparently), don't want to do that. I'm fine with this traitorous SOB getting killed in the normal course of battle. I'm NOT fine with the president targeting him.
excon
Why not ? It's no different than taking out any other jihadi leader ? What gives him special protection ? You are mistaking acts of war and criminal action. They are not the same.
Hello again, tom:Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Ahhh, but he IS different. If I'm not mistaken, you regularly argue that jihadists shouldn't be covered by OUR Constitution. It, you say, should be reserved for American citizens.
Okee doakee, then. The CONSTITUTION gives him special protection.
excon
Typical George Bush bashing still, get over it... he's been out of office 14 months now. And he's NOT eligible to even run for it again. Time to get over it now.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Bill Clinton did it... Jimmy Carter did it... Obamas doing it..
And realistically... it goes back further than Jimmy Carter. And snooping goes back before the telephone and the telegraph before it were ever invented.
Lefties love their right to conspire with communists and others... otherwise why the huge concern about Terrorists and their "rights" when they don't really give a damn about Americans and their rights.
Example being how they bash everyone Else's right to free speech or try to take away anyone's right to own guns...
And as far as Terrorists acting against the USA outside of American soil...
Too bad... they are fair targets. They forfited that when they took up arms against the USA... and doing so on someone else's sovereign land means they forfeit any legal protections. I support just killing the SOB rather than my taxdollars going to pay some liberal lawyer to defend him like the circus with KSM and the other terrorist lowlifes in Gitmo.
Pakistan or Yemen is NOT a USA territiory, and is not subject to our laws any more than we are subject to their laws here in the USA. Which is as it should be.
And it also shows a basic and complete lack of understanding about how and what this "evesdropping" really is.
It isn't someone sitting in a phone closet or on a pole outside listening to every word being said. That's TV. And has been mentioned by OTHER members who know the processes involved as well... real life ISN'T what you watch on CSI.
Sorry Ex ; the Supremes have said differently twice.
The Ex parte Quirin case in WWII and the Hamdi decision hold that American citizens who fight for the enemy in wartime may be treated as enemy combatants, just like aliens.
BTW ;the answer for people who don't like the President's wartime powers would be to convince Congress to rescind or sunset the 2001 Authorization Act (AUMF)
Obama seems to have delusions of adequacy.
His track record on our Allies seems to be working-
UPDATE 4-Netanyahu cancels trip to Obama's nuclear summit | News by Country | Reuters
The cancellation has nothing to do with Obama. You knew that, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Catsmine
Other than Barry made a promise he knew he couldn't keep, sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Who is Barry?Quote:
Originally Posted by Catsmine
Barrak Obama is known as Barry to certain people.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Barack. Do we spell smoothy "smothy"?Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Or, worse, "soothy"?
I don't care HOW he spells it. My nickname for him isn't appropriate on this site. And isn't as benign as "Barry".Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
And incidentally... I don't have a spell checker that functions on this machine, and no I can't put one on. You can thank Active Directory for that. Even Admin rights on a machine can be trumped by a higher authority on a Domain via policies that can't be modified locally.
Ask a system administrator about this if you don't understand what I am talking about or believe me.
I'm an engineer, not an English Major. And I certainly am NOT a good typist.
The reason Bibi is going to miss the meeting is that Obama has the US -Israeli relations at the lowest point it's been since the Suez Crisis .
He isn't going because he doesn't plan on being the piņata at an anti-Israel bash fest . Instead of it being about proliferation violations by the Mahdi-hatter and the 12ers in Tehran they plan on using the meeting hammer Israel instead.
Deputy Prime Minister Dan Meridor will attend ;which should be good enough for the President who had no issue meeting Putin's sock-puppet Medvedev this week to sign a START treaty.
This is Barry. Sigh...Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
http://d.yimg.com/a/p/ap/20100412/ca...RpZtR03CoBUA--
AGAIN: President Obama bows to foreign leader - China Pres.
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