So Trump wanted to used the same strategy that the House dems used for impeachment, or that the Senate dems used against Kavanaugh? Fascinating.Quote:
corruption without a shred of evidence, just allegations.
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So Trump wanted to used the same strategy that the House dems used for impeachment, or that the Senate dems used against Kavanaugh? Fascinating.Quote:
corruption without a shred of evidence, just allegations.
"Siri, show me what Democrats will do if they run America's economy and healthcare system"Quote:
Dems looked pretty stupid and incompetent didn't they! No doubt the dufus will point that out during his campaign rally tonight at the SOTU address.
tomder55: TRUMP WON IOWA....PERIOD! And he will win in November by a landslide.
Past performance by Clinton and Obama indicates either a slow steady growing healthy economy that may balance the budget, and expanding Medicaid to cover more poor people, and upgrade private health insurance coverage for consumers. Historical fact already. You knew that though didn't you?Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Machin and Murkowski are wanting the dufus censured as an appropriate action for his bad behavior.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7vtWB4owdE
I cant blame Manchin he's trying to keep a Dem seat in the state where all the Dems are promising to kill the jobs in the state . He has to walk on egg shells . What you will see tomorrow is a bi-partisan vote to acquit.
In what universe did you find that Obama balanced the budget? You were, however, correct about the slow growing economy.Quote:
Past performance by Clinton and Obama indicates either a slow steady growing healthy economy that may balance the budget,
And you do remember that he did it by lying about us being able to keep our doctors and our current health policies? Historical facts?Quote:
and expanding Medicaid to cover more poor people, and upgrade private health insurance coverage for consumers. Historical fact already. You knew that though didn't you?
My son was able to keep his doctor. You couldn't keep yours?Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Read it again dude, I said Obama AND Clinton, the last dem presidents, though I left off Carter. Obama didn't lie you can keep your doctors if the doctors AND your insurances companies agree. Most did many didn't and some junk insurances that may have been affordable for premiums didn't cover some things that were needed any way...rip offs so while not perfect, better than it was for poor under insured folks for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Slow and study works for me as Obama's growth numbers are comparable to the dufus's so far as well as job creation and unemployment so for all the dufus bragging the trend lines are very similar. Obama Care was for Medicaid expansion and private insurance customers. 85% of insured Americans saw no changes.
I thought you had employer provided insurance? Most of those folks that can keep their kids on their policies and get insurance despite having a pre existing condition are happy as a lark.
I was not able to keep my health plan and now I have a constant battle for pre-authorization of medicines and procedures AND my out of pocket expenses have risen dramatically .Quote:
My son was able to keep his doctor. You couldn't keep yours?
I thought you had that employer provided stuff too.
Employers do not ,nor can they provide 100 % of the cost of insuring their employees anymore . My employer takes a big hit by assisting in the coverage of over 600 employees . But the costs are prohibitive and it does affect hiring practices .Every employee benefit is a cost calculation when it comes to hiring . There is a ton of negotiations behind the scene every year and seemingly every year there have been changes to the insurance since Obamacare than impacts the employees and the employer's bottom line.
That Obama lied about the details of his health care proposal is a simple matter of history. https://conservative-daily.com/2014/...p-your-doctor/
That's always been the case as health insurances cost have always gone up, NEVER down, and I remember very well the years of union contracts we signed that brought us better benefits at the costs of higher wages. It's actually cheaper to pay overtime rather than add employees, and robots are the best workers. Not good for a man needing a job in modern factories, but I know well those long negotiations. There is another factor you should be aware of Tom, as us boomer retire and need our meds for our old folk conditions, as the biggest population group our bills will get bigger too. It's VERY complex, with many factors but no worries, the dufus is dismantling Obama Care in small pieces but costs are still going to rise and good luck making it better.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Insurance companies AND big pharma have always had CONTROL over policies and the bottom line rules. Who pays for all those drug commercials and ads?
Throw those loony right wing rant rags out and get with the sites with facts and data. Your mind is closed to facts, evidence and the truth anyway and I suppose repeating right wing talking points is a lot easier than the critical thinking required for informed analysis.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
So you have some facts and data? I would be happy to look at them. Just bear in mind that an opinion is not facts/data, and a link to nowhere is not facts/data.
We have a great archive as I have said before! Pretty good discussion back then. Start browsing around page 6, which is about 2009 and work your way forward. The archive link is at the bottom of every page.
If you want to post something, then do it. I'm not going to dig around the dusty archives looking for what I don't think is there to begin with.
It's not a homework assignment dude, but I thought it would interest you and you would just browse at your leisure.
OK can we put this one to rest now, Trump accuitted only one Republican, republican lite, thought Trump had abused power, So the Congress is not all powerful, in fact, has had its wings clipped
Blow the man down, blow the man down, what does it take to blow the man down? new demonrat rally song
Paraclete: NOBODY, from Red China to France to Germany or even the U.S. House Of Representatives, is going to push this POTUS around: If no one believed that before, they ought to believe it now.
And, if I was on the side that has been slinging sh$t sandwiches at Trump for the past three years (more, the conspiracy started BEFORE he got into Office), I would be getting prepared for payback from Trump: You can't abuse a man like Trump and not expect retaliation...guy is German, its guaranteed.
Revenge is a dish best served coldQuote:
Originally Posted by Vacuum7
I would hope we would move on and try to tackle some truly significant problems.
and what might they be, with a hostile House doing anything significant is unlikelyQuote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
There you righties go again. Ready to sweep yet another abuse by the dufus under the rug to get back to an agenda. Do you really think dems will just move on and get back to helping you after the first trial in history with no witnesses and documents, not that you needed it, but America was watching too, and while you may be okay with this rigged trial, just as many will not be. These events have done nothing to bridge the partisan gap, and I dare say the divide has widened.
Dems take solace in the fact we know after getting over like a fat rat the dufus will undoubtedly do something else to get himself IMPEACHED yet again. LOL, you righty dufus defenders do too! This is just another chapter in the book of dufus.
He doesn't play well with others and he is still a bully, and no doubt he hasn't learned a lesson in his life but he knows he made enemies and we all know he won't forget them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vacuum7
The senate leader has many pieces of legislation on his desk already and hasn't brought any of them to the senate for even a debate, so the chances of anything happening is really small and would almost be unheard of during an election year any way. Sit back and enjoy the campaign commercials. That's all you'll get from government.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
You must be out of popcorn Clete, or was it burned in the fire?
No popcorn here Tal, there is a droughtQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Do I expect the dems to accept defeat and start working for the good of the country? No. There were many witnesses in the House. No one had any first hand evidence of guilt. That's just how it was. Time to move on.Quote:
There you righties go again. Ready to sweep yet another abuse by the dufus under the rug to get back to an agenda. Do you really think dems will just move on and get back to helping you after the first trial in history with no witnesses and documents, not that you needed it, but America was watching too, and while you may be okay with this rigged trial, just as many will not be.
Fortunately for me I have developed many distractions for the increasing onslaught of silly season shenanigans over the years, since the wild protests of the 70's, marked by civil disobedience, protests, marches, and rally's that the youth are continuing now, that morphed into the civil participation years of working to promote local, state, and national candidates, and organizing money and people, poll watching, and that sort of stuff.
No popcorn during a drought? I hope you can at least stream a few favorite movies, as you recover from the devastation mother nature has wrought you. Without some creature comforts, I find politics just unbearable!
You won this battle, but this whole exercise was about the good of the country, and your dufusites saved the dufus butt for the moment, but the court of public opinion is still out. Repub shenanigans will not win that battle and moving on means the NEXT battle.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
LOL you're still sticking with that first hand evidence of guilt while hiding them from the public excuse? Good luck with that, you'll need it and the wild card is always the words and behavior of the dufus and what he does NEXT!
Yeah. That silly ole "evidence" thing still counts. You can't convict someone just because you hate them.Quote:
LOL you're still sticking with that first hand evidence of guilt while hiding them from the public excuse? Good luck with that, you'll need it and the wild card is always the words and behavior of the dufus and what he does NEXT!
I think if the dems really wanted to help both themselves and the country, then they would attempt to look serious and not merely vengeful. We are running a trillion dollar budget deficit. What should be done about that? Social Security is heading towards a train wreck. Maybe we should try to avert that. What long term plans can be put in place to reduce our dependence on fossil fuels? How can we reduce spending? How can we reduce our military footprint around the world? These are serious issues that need to be addressed, but I suspect Pelosi and her gang will continue this vendetta against Trump. If they do, then I also suspect the American people will vote enough of them out in November to give the repubs control of Congress.
For sure the American people already voted enough repubs out of the house in the last election in 2018, to disrupt the total control the repubs had on the congress. Most Americans liked that outcome, and will take the words actions of the dufus and his repub protectors as a rally cry for 2020 after the rigged trial of senate repubs. As to evidence of wrong doing? Despite your position of NONE JL, it's still out there, and more waiting to be revealed.
Dems proved the case, and more repubs are acknowledging wrong doing.
Yes. They gave the House to the dems, and look what has happened. Nothing but a fruitcake impeachment effort.
Revealed facts we needed to know, not just about the dufus way of doing things, but what the lengths he will go through to cover up their corruption. Everybody knew it was a rigged process, the senate leaders said it would be when the impeachment was announced. Even repubs are saying he was wrong while voting not guilty.
Hardly fruitless, or fruitcake.
Was it rigged when dozens of democrat had already decided to vote for impeachment THE DAY AFTER THE ELECTION? Was it rigged when the House limited the ability of repubs to call witnesses? Was it rigged when most of the dems already had their minds made up BEFORE the hearings even began? Was it rigged when not a single dem had any interest in questioning Hunter/Joe Biden? Was it rigged when lies were presented to the FISA judge in order to get this whole circus started?Quote:
Revealed facts we needed to know, not just about the dufus way of doing things, but what the lengths he will go through to cover up their corruption. Everybody knew it was a rigged process, the senate leaders said it would be when the impeachment was announced. Even repubs are saying he was wrong while voting not guilty.
Once again, your moral outrage is extraordinarily selective.
Not likely . The toad Nadler is already plotting his next vindictive act. He's had a blood feud with Trump going back decades . So he is not letting it go . And Schiff head has been so battered over the twin trashing he received from his Russia hoax and the Ukraine hoax that he will do anything to salvage himself . But I believe Madam Mim is smart enough to go and pout but not try something so stupid as impeachment again. Schiff deceived her into believing he had the goods on Trump because he never thought that Trump would release the transcript of his conversation with Zelensky. Once Trump did the game was up . Russia and Ukraine agreed to a cease fire . They came to a gas agreement too. What you missed it ? That is because y'all were obsessed with trying to drive Trump from office and weren't paying attention . Did you know that Zelensky and Putin had a summit ? Neither want Ukraine to be the battlefield that Democrats appear to want . There was multiple exchanges of prisoners including the Ukrainians taken off of ships .When was this happening ? When Madam Mim was holding on to the articles of Impeachment afraid to proceed with the process because she knew of the pending disaster that befell the Democrats this weekQuote:
Do you really think dems will just move on
The Demos didn't prove their case against Trump, as evidenced that TRUMP WAS AQUITTED: Its just the way our system works....you couldn't convince the Republican Senate that Trump was guilty. Your House Manager DID AN AWEFUL JOB! Schiff is a DINGBAT, as is Nadler: They are so full of themselves that they were, more or less, fighting over the Press microphone: HILARIOUS, if it weren't so sad. Pick better horses next time. You know that the Demos have hurt their meager chances in November: 1) Trump waxes any candidate the Demos can put up; 2)The Senate will stay Republican and they will pick up votes; and 3) The Republican will flip the House, likely.
Nancy Pelosi acted like a spoiled child when she ripped up President Trump's speed after the State Of The Union Address: People noticed this weirdness.
Trump is just getting set to unleash the POWER OF THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT upon the nasty Biden Crime Family: The have asked for the travel records of Hunter Biden on the trips he took with Old Biden: TRUMP IS GOING TO GET HIS POUND OF FLESH....SOMEONE IS GOING TO BE PUBLICLY FLOGGED....THERE WILL BE AN OFFENSIVE BY THE RIGHT.
Meanwhile: This is what we have....TWO PARTIES....problems with no resolutions because we have one party blocking the other party.....This is why we need a 3rd Party.
Was it rigged when dozens of democrat had already decided to vote for impeachment THE DAY AFTER THE ELECTION?
No more than Moscow Mitch dedicating his efforts to making Obama a one termed president! He failed.
Was it rigged when the House limited the ability of repubs to call witnesses?
The WB, Adan Schiff, the Biden's? None are relevant to the dufus actions, not even the WB who started this thing after the WB allegations were corborated by subsequent 13 plus witnesses. Same thing happened to HC remember during her 7 hearings in the House. Pretty common for the majority to make the rules isn't it?How many separate investigations are you throwing into this pot?
Was it rigged when most of the dems already had their minds made up BEFORE the hearings even began?
Which hearings? Dems didn't even have the votes for inquiry until the Ukraine stuff came to light and that was 3 and a half years after the dufus was elected.
Was it rigged when not a single dem had any interest in questioning Hunter/Joe Biden?
I'll bite, explain the relevance of the Biden's in this mess? Never mind, I have already right wing conspiracy seen the conspiracy theory about the Biden's and you have no evidence to even investigate the guy ad what's stopped the senate from calling him if it was all that important and relevant? It wasn't because the fix to acquit was already in. Still don't believe me? Just ask Turtle face. He said it was before the articles of impeachment were even delivered. Now that's RIGGED!
Was it rigged when lies were presented to the FISA judge in order to get this whole circus started?
Once again, your moral outrage is extraordinarily selective.
Guilty as YOU are!
No you don't really want that, a system where there are minor parties leads to even more stalemates and splinter groups. Imagine the situation where you have a Black party or a Hispanic partyQuote:
Meanwhile: This is what we have....TWO PARTIES....problems with no resolutions because we have one party blocking the other party.....This is why we need a 3rd Party.
We have that already Clete. The dem party is a coalition of many interests, races, and factions. Repubs a lot less so, as far as racial make up goes, but every walk of white dudes is represented, along with a few non whites.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Not what vac is suggesting Tal, go have your coffeeQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
I don't suggest anything to do with race, only mindset and preferences other than that offered by the Demos or Repubs: And therein lies the fear for the Demos, in particularly: They fear losing CONTROL OF THE ETHNIC VOTING: This is not what any of us should concern ourselves with, really.....We have to stop the RACE BAITING!
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