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  • Oct 29, 2013, 08:21 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    That's kind of silly since your choice is to eat cat tacos or pig tacos, or beef tacos.

    What's silly is you think we eat cat tacos and are stupid.

    Quote:

    Since YOU have insurance YOU like and have made the choice to keep it. Why don't you let everybody weigh their own options and see what works best for them. Glitches and roll out deficiencies aside, and politics, you cannot deny people need health care choices.

    But you would deny others having a choice that YOU have already made for yourself. Looking for a name for that.

    Hey if you like cat tacos keep eating them, just please don't invite me for lunch!
    What part of this don't you get?

    Quote:

    Sorry, you're punishing responsible people and that's wrong. You're forcing people to buy something they don't want and can't afford and that's wrong. We were fed a huge lie over and over again and that's wrong. The government tried to hide the costs which added to their disastrous rollout and have lied to us over and over about it and that's wrong.
  • Oct 29, 2013, 09:11 AM
    smoothy
    Moderator note

    RESIZE YOUR PICTURE
  • Oct 29, 2013, 09:32 AM
    excon
    Hello smoothy:
    Quote:

    RESIZE YOUR PICTURE
    That's no mistake, smoothy.. It really IS that big.

    excon
  • Oct 29, 2013, 09:41 AM
    talaniman
    Quote:

    QUOTE by speechlesstx;
    What's silly is you think we eat cat tacos and are stupid.
    Not stupid, just unaware. Trusting without verifying. I wouldn't question what you served for lunch because I trust you.

    Raise your awareness and at least acknowledge that Insurance companies past practice is anything but above board and was unfair gouging that had to change. You have yet to come up with a good idea that addresses what has allowed to go on for decades.

    To go back to that exploitation is unacceptable. I reject that notion and so has America. Get with the program and stop making stuff up about how everybody just LOVES their junk insurance. When the sticker price shock wears off those folks will be pissed they fell for the snake oil for years. But as usual you think because those insurance companies admit no wrong doing they are the victims of government over reach and harsh regulation.

    Keep ignoring the documented victims that go way back to before you were even born.
  • Oct 29, 2013, 09:51 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Not stupid, just unaware. Trusting without verifying

    Gee, and how did we get to this mess? Seriously? Bwa ha ha ha!
  • Oct 29, 2013, 10:14 AM
    talaniman
    It's an ongoing process to make changes that benefit. Would you tell a surgeon to stop saving lives because he lost a patient after doing all he could?

    Of course not, learn and strive to do better. Takes time. Maybe forever, maybe NEVER. Sometimes you just have to be grateful for little things, like catching a powerhouse fantasy team going through a major bye week, and hoping for the best while planning for the worst.
  • Oct 29, 2013, 10:27 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    It's an ongoing process to make changes that benefit. Would you tell a surgeon to stop saving lives because he lost a patient after doing all he could?

    Of course not, learn and strive to do better. Takes time. Maybe forever, maybe NEVER. Sometimes you just have to be grateful for little things, like catching a powerhouse fantasy team going through a major bye week, and hoping for the best while planning for the worst.

    Apparently you miss the irony of an Obama supporter not only lecturing us on "Trusting without verifying", but doing so on an Obamacare thread. Now that's a jaw dropper.
  • Oct 29, 2013, 10:36 AM
    talaniman
    Dude, I may not be a fan of Reagan's or Bush, but have to give them credit where its due on the GOOD things they did. Doesn't matter where I am, or whom I am with.
  • Oct 29, 2013, 10:38 AM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by smoothy View Post
    Moderator note

    RESIZE YOUR PICTURE

    That picture wasn't too big... and besides I don't own it or host it so I don't have that option .

    I'm guessing its contents hit home all too well.
  • Oct 29, 2013, 10:41 AM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    and besides I don't own it or host it so I don't have that option .
    For someone who claims computer expertise that made me laugh. It would have taken me all of 20 seconds to save, crop, and add as attachment here.
  • Oct 29, 2013, 10:45 AM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    For someone who claims computer expertise that made me laugh. It would have taken me all of 20 seconds to save, crop, and add as attachment here.

    Except for some reason I don't have the option to upload a photo to this site as an attachment... and never have.

    I have to link one hosted through a third party.

    I know perfectly well how to resize a photo...that I own (to upload as an attachment)...or that I host.
  • Oct 29, 2013, 10:49 AM
    talaniman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by smoothy View Post
    That picture wasn't too big... and besides I don't own it or host it so I don't have that option .

    I'm guessing its contents hit home all too well.

    Naw, wrong again, it was throwing off the sites setting.

    Under HOME>FAQ>

    How do I add pictures and other file types to my post?

    A. "Attach" files (including pictures) from your computer. This method puts the attached file below the text of the post.

    Click on an Ask or Answer button to ask or answer a question
    Compose your question or answer in the window.
    Under the window where you composed your question or answer is a section called Additional Options.
    Click on the Manage Attachments button: a pop-up dialog will open. NOTE: The Manage Attachments dialog lists the maximum sizes of the various types of files that may be attached.
    Click the Browse button to navigate to the image on your computer and double click the file on your computer: this will return you to the dialog window.
    Click the Upload button.
    Click the link to close the dialog window OR repeat numbers 5 & 6 to attach another image.
    B. "Embed" image(s) from the internet. This method inserts an image wherever you wish within the text of your post.

    Click the Insert Image icon above the posting window: A pop-up asking for the URL will open.
    Enter the URL of the image in the field then click the OK button.
  • Oct 29, 2013, 10:51 AM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Naw, wrong again, it was throwing off the sites setting.

    Under HOME>FAQ>

    How do I add pictures and other file types to my post?

    A. "Attach" files (including pictures) from your computer. This method puts the attached file below the text of the post.

    Click on an Ask or Answer button to ask or answer a question
    Compose your question or answer in the window.
    Under the window where you composed your question or answer is a section called Additional Options.
    Click on the Manage Attachments button: a pop-up dialog will open. NOTE: The Manage Attachments dialog lists the maximum sizes of the various types of files that may be attached.
    Click the Browse button to navigate to the image on your computer and double click the file on your computer: this will return you to the dialog window.
    Click the Upload button.
    Click the link to close the dialog window OR repeat numbers 5 & 6 to attach another image.
    B. "Embed" image(s) from the internet. This method inserts an image wherever you wish within the text of your post.

    Click the Insert Image icon above the posting window: A pop-up asking for the URL will open.
    Enter the URL of the image in the field then click the OK button.

    Excpet that I actually don't have an option to manage attachments... and I never have the entire time I've been a member here..

    I guess thats something I have to bring up to one of the admins later today....because the mask for my user account doesn't have that enabled for whatever reason....could have been a corruption issue from the very beginning. Every photo I've checked out here posted by others has been linked from an offsite host. Not saying none are posted as attachments...I just haven't seen the code in the post that would indicate it.

    A lot of sites don't allow it because of how it bloats the server requirements....I never heard anyone here say they could before today.
  • Oct 29, 2013, 10:55 AM
    talaniman
    Sure you do, hit go advance, instead of submit, and scroll down to manage attachments.
  • Oct 29, 2013, 10:59 AM
    speechlesstx
    1 Attachment(s)
    Yup, here's the screen shot. Now if we just add text after the attachment.
  • Oct 29, 2013, 11:06 AM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    Yup, here's the screen shot. Now if we just add text after the attachment.

    I'll PM Curlyben and find out why I don't have that option come up for me rather than take up pages of this thread. I know all the admin settings on this software.....and something isn't checked off that should be (yes you can do it at group or even individual levels).....not a huge issue or a time consuming one. Certainly not worth taking up into the second page of posts on it anyway.

    .
  • Oct 29, 2013, 11:20 AM
    NeedKarma
    I even have it in the old "blue" skin, though you have to select "Go Advanced".
  • Oct 29, 2013, 11:25 AM
    talaniman
    I apologize Smoothy as sometimes I forget the different skins that we use on this site. Thanks, Steve, NK, for pointing that out.
  • Oct 29, 2013, 11:37 AM
    speechlesstx
    Oh the irony just continues as sticker shock keeps making it's reality known.

    Quote:

    Obamacare jacks up her insurance

    By CAROL MARIN

    Last Modified: Oct 27, 2013 02:38AM
    Sue Klinkhamer has a problem.

    It’s called Obamacare.

    And the irony of her situation is not lost on her. In a recent email addressed to her former boss, Illinois Congressman Bill Foster, and other Democratic colleagues, she wrote:

    “I spent two years defending Obamacare. I had constituents scream at me, spit at me and call me names that I can’t put in print. The congressman was not re-elected in 2010 mainly because of the anti-Obamacare anger. When the congressman was not re-elected, I also (along with the rest of our staff) lost my job. I was upset that because of the health care issue, I didn’t have a job anymore but still defended Obamacare because it would make health care available to everyone at, what I assumed, would be an affordable price. I have now learned that I was wrong. Very wrong.”

    For Klinkhamer, 60, President Obama’s oft-repeated words ring in her ears: “If you like your health plan, you will keep it.”

    Well, possibly not.

    When Klinkhamer lost her congressional job, she had to buy an individual policy on the open market.

    Three years ago, it was $225 a month with a $2,500 deductible. Each year it went up a little to, as of Sept. 1, $291 with a $3,500 deductible. Then, a few weeks ago, she got a letter.

    “Blue Cross,” she said, “stated my current coverage would expire on Dec. 31, and here are my options: I can have a plan with similar benefits for $647.12 [or] I can have a plan with similar [but higher] pricing for $322.32 but with a $6,500 deductible.”

    She went on, “Blue Cross also tells me that if I don’t pick one of the options, they will just assume I want the one for $647. ... Someone please tell me why my premium in January will be $356 more than in December?”

    The sticker shock Klinkhamer is experiencing is something millions of individual policyholders are reeling from having gotten similar letters from their private insurers.

    As UCLA Public Policy expert Dr. Gerald F. Kominski told CBS News this week, “Half of the 14 million people who buy insurance on their own are not going to keep the policies they previously had.”

    Part of the reason those policies will be more expensive, he explained, is that Obamacare is requiring insurers to offer “a better product with better protection.”

    Congressman Foster, Klinkhamer’s former boss who has since been returned to Congress, told me by phone Friday, “A very large number of people are very grateful” for Obamacare.

    No doubt about that.

    But right now Sue Klinkhamer, no novice to government or public policy, isn’t among them.

    “I am a Democrat and I believe in health care for all,” she said.

    “And I was excited that previously uninsured people could now get insurance on the open market. But this is not affordable to me.”

    Klinkhamer suggests renaming the Affordable Care Act.

    “Just call it,” she said dryly, “the Available Care Act.”
    What's odd is this silly argument that the new crap sandwich is better than the "Junk bare bone plans" we who are too stupid to know what's in our own interest had.

    So 'splain to me why those "junk bare bones" plans we liked are doubling in price if they're so bad? Why, I can spend half as much and get better insurance with the same company!!!
  • Oct 29, 2013, 12:01 PM
    smoothy
    This from one of the least biased polls....

    42% Identify with Obama Politically, 42% with the Tea Party - Rasmussen Reports™
  • Oct 29, 2013, 12:21 PM
    talaniman
    History tells us whatever that great price was you never know what you have until you use it, and many were shocked then too. We also have those that were shocked when the were dropped after YEARS of paying premiums when they finally NEEDED that insurance.

    Why ignore those shocked people and only acknowledge the new current ones. People, we have many people caught up in the insurance company scam.
  • Oct 29, 2013, 12:47 PM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    History tells us whatever that great price was you never know what you have until you use it,

    Right, because we all know most companies sell their junk products for twice the price of their premium stuff.
  • Oct 29, 2013, 12:55 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    Right, because we all know most companies sell their junk products for twice the price of their premium stuff.

    That's why it's good to be a wise consumer. Caveat emptor.
  • Oct 29, 2013, 12:57 PM
    talaniman
    You got that right. Both of you.
  • Oct 29, 2013, 01:31 PM
    speechlesstx
    So let me get this straight, those greedy b*stard insurance companies putting profit over people are intentionally selling their premium plans at half the price of their junk. And you think we're too stupid to know what's in our best interest? Bwa ha ha!
  • Oct 29, 2013, 02:21 PM
    tomder55
    You see ,we need the nanny state because we are too stupid to makes decisions for ourselves .
  • Oct 29, 2013, 02:43 PM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    You see ,we need the nanny state because we are too stupid to makes decisions for ourselves .

    We must be, we're too stupid to buy the premium plans at half the price of the junk they're selling.
  • Oct 29, 2013, 02:47 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    We must be, we're too stupid to buy the premium plans at half the price of the junk they're selling.

    BC/BS and Aetna and United Heath Care are selling junk?
  • Oct 29, 2013, 04:09 PM
    talaniman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    So let me get this straight, those greedy b*stard insurance companies putting profit over people are intentionally selling their premium plans at half the price of their junk. And you think we're too stupid to know what's in our best interest? Bwa ha ha!

    Not stupid, unaware. Who reads the fine print? Stupid is thinking they want to serve you, and have your interest at heart above their PROFITS.
  • Oct 29, 2013, 04:23 PM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Not stupid, unaware. Who reads the fine print? Stupid is thinking they want to serve you, and have your interest at heart above their PROFITS.

    Stupid is believing that the government is serving your best interests .
  • Oct 29, 2013, 04:35 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    Stupid is believing that the government is serving your best interests .

    Like in March 2003?
  • Oct 29, 2013, 04:49 PM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Not stupid, unaware. Who reads the fine print? Stupid is thinking they want to serve you, and have your interest at heart above their PROFITS.

    Stupid people don't read the fine print... and take the snake oil salesman at his word. And 18 year old doing it might be naive... but a 38 year old doing it is plain stupid.

    Particularly when 99% of it IS fine print.
  • Oct 30, 2013, 05:22 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Not stupid, unaware. Who reads the fine print? Stupid is thinking they want to serve you, and have your interest at heart above their PROFITS.

    Once again the irony goes right over your head. Businesses have to serve to make a profit and survive, the government just takes what it wants without regard to your interests.
  • Oct 30, 2013, 05:24 AM
    paraclete
    What you live in the Nazi state, the Communist state? Your government can only take what your representatives let it, the fault therefore lies with the people who elect these shining examples of democracy
  • Oct 30, 2013, 05:31 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    What you live in the Nazi state, the Communist state? Your government can only take what your representatives let it, the fault therefore lies with the people who elect these shining examples of democracy

    I can't explain why people keep vote certain ways, but I guess you've missed where the people didn't want obamacare and those Dem a$$holes forced it on us anyway.
  • Oct 30, 2013, 05:42 AM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    I can't explain why people keep vote certain ways, but I guess you've missed where the people didn't want obamacare and those Dem a$$holes forced it on us anyway.

    Well if that were so your Supreme Court should have struck down the law. They didn't do that. Now either your lawyers were inept, your judges corrupt, or you just don't accept that both houses passed a version of the bill, what didn't happen was the reconciliation process. Obama may have been hasty, but apparently what he did wasn't illegal.

    We can go all over the fact that some parts of the Law could have been better drafted and some could have been better implemented but an election clearly demonstrated that the people left the Presindent in office
  • Oct 30, 2013, 05:48 AM
    excon
    Hello again, Steve:
    Quote:

    Dem a$$holes forced it on us anyway.
    Let's review, shall we??? Here, in THIS great country, we pass laws with a majority of our elected officials... And, THAT'S exactly what we did. I don't call following our beloved Constitution forcing ANYTHING on ANYBODY.

    It's the Republican a$$holes who don't understand how our country works.

    excon

    PS> By the way... What about those Republican A$$HOLES in the states who're ramming abortion laws down our throats... I'll bet you call THAT democracy in action, don't you???
  • Oct 30, 2013, 06:12 AM
    speechlesstx
    I get how it works, they're supposed to listen to the people. Which side listened to their constituents, the Obamacare a$$holes or the abortion a$$holes?
  • Oct 30, 2013, 06:22 AM
    talaniman
    Obviously we have different constituents. Why should Obama listen to YOUR constituents rather than the ones who put him back in office?

    What you thought the TParty was the only constituents? No wonder you don't understand why people voted the way they did.

    They listened to the candidates, voted, you lost. Why is that so hard to accept?
  • Oct 30, 2013, 06:45 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Obviously we have different constituents. Why should Obama listen to YOUR constituents rather than the ones who put him back in office?

    What you thought the TParty was the only constituents? No wonder you don't understand why people voted the way they did.

    They listened to the candidates, voted, you lost. Why is that so hard to accept?

    This has nothing to do with any election, it's the fact that the majority of the country said NO to Obamacare and Dems passed it anyway with no attempt at bipartisan support. That's rather dictatorial, not democratic.

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