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Originally Posted by cdad

If standing up for your rights is a radical idea then they are going to be coming after a lot of us. Why is it so radical to teach your child to hunt?

People like that care more about the rights of the criminal element to practice their profession without fear of getting harmed by the people they are oppressing, or stealing from..

That's why the PRO-ABORTION baby killers also defend the right to life of convicted murderers by being ANTI-Capital punishment, babies really have no right to life however, not in their minds.

Notice how the anti-gun crowd seems to love their own personal ARMED body guards... for Protection... you know against the same people they don't want the rest of us to be protected from.

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Originally Posted by paraclete

no what's evil is the parent or person who gave the child a political T shirt and radicalised him a a young age. The school is correct to discipline him

Clete, you really hate our rights don't you? The only thing radical here is a school that has a kid with an excellent record arrested when he's done nothing wrong and violated no school policy.

You guys hate the idea of a police state, but want your barely trained citizens to be the police in the schools. I guess its cheaper to have armed volunteers, than a well trained paid cop.

Hello again, Steve:

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a kid with an excellent record arrested when he's done nothing wrong

Here's a different opinion.

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The belief that police officers automatically make schools safer was challenged in a 2011 study that compared federal crime data of schools that had police officers with schools that did not. It found that the presence of the officers did not drive down crime. The study — by Chongmin Na of The University of Houston, Clear Lake, and Denise Gottfredson of the University of Maryland — also found that with police in the buildings, routine disciplinary problems began to be treated as criminal justice problems, increasing the likelihood of arrests

Excon

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Originally Posted by talaniman

You guys hate the idea of a police state, but want your barely trained citizens to be the police in the schools. I guess its cheaper to have armed volunteers, than a well trained paid cop.

I have no idea what that has to do with having a good kid arrested when he's done nothing wrong.

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, Steve:

Here's a different opinion.

excon

As with Tal, what's the relevance to having a good kid arrested when he's done nothing wrong?

Hello again, Steve

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As with Tal, what's the relevance to having a good kid arrested when he's done nothing wrong?

The relevance is, that WITHOUT a police presence in schools, (which you SUPPORT) most routine disciplinary problems would be treated as ROUTINE DISCIPLINARY PROBLEMS.

Excon

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Originally Posted by talaniman

You guys hate the idea of a police state, but want your barely trained citizens to be the police in the schools. I guess its cheaper to have armed volunteers, than a well trained paid cop.

There have been over 90 DC police arrested and jailed the last 10 years... PG County in MD isn't a lot better... just because someone has a badge... doesn't make them good at their job. OR any more honest than the average Joe on the street.

Hell I can shoot better than most of them. And I am not even in the top 10% of shooters. Yes I have shot Competition for a lot of years. And did it against Civilians AND the Military.

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, Steve

The relevance is, that WITHOUT a police presence in schools, (which you SUPPORT) most routine disciplinary problems would be treated as ROUTINE DISCIPLINARY PROBLEMS.

excon

It's a T-Shirt... that had NO profanity or Racial comments on it... its WASN'T a discipline problem.

THe only problem was the lefty pantywastes who got their frilly lace panties in a knot over someone expressing their second amendment rights via T-shirt.. in their communist Indocrination centers... which decades ago used to be public schools.

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, Steve

The relevance is, that WITHOUT a police presence in schools, (which you SUPPORT) most routine disciplinary problems would be treated as ROUTINE DISCIPLINARY PROBLEMS.

excon

I saw nothing in the article that indicated there was a police presence in that school and either way it's irrelevant if the cops were there or had to be called. I've already noted before how our schools are fast becoming a pipeline to prison thanks to their zero tolerance BS. This poor kid didn't even violate a policy, that's LESS than zero tolerance - there was nothing to discipline the kid for.

Interesting though how you expect us to be on your bandwagon about non-violent drug offenders but won't defend an eight-grader that's done nothing wrong.

Jailed for NRA T-shirt: Student Jared Marcum, 14, charged with causing disruption at Logan Middle School | Mail Online

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Marcum's stepfather, Allen Lardieri, said the youth was waiting in line in the school cafeteria Thursday when a teacher ordered the eighth-grader to remove the T-shirt or to turn it inside out.

Marcum said he was sent to the office where he again refused the order.

Like any who exercise their rights he will get his day in court, and we will see if he had a lawful right to disobey a school authority, TWICE. That is what led to escalated actions. That is the process, let it work.

The real issue is was the T-Shirt a violation of the school dress code

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Logan County Schools' dress code, which is posted on the school system's website, prohibits clothing and accessories that display profanity, violence, discriminatory messages or sexually suggestive phrases.

Clothing displaying advertisements for any alcohol, tobacco, or drug product also is prohibited.

Their lawyer, Ben White, said that the T-shirt did not appear to violate any school policy.

The school says it does, the 8th graders lawyer says it doesn't. We will see.

He shouldn't have to have a day in court, the teacher was wrong.

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Originally Posted by talaniman

Jailed for NRA T-shirt: Student Jared Marcum, 14, charged with causing disruption at Logan Middle School | Mail Online

Like any who exercise their rights he will get his day in court, and we will see if he had a lawful right to disobey a school authority, TWICE. That is what led to escalated actions. That is the process, let it work.

The real issue is was the T-Shirt a violation of the school dress code

The school says it does, the 8th graders lawyer says it doesn't. We will see.

The only profanity or violence exhibited here was by the school system, who violated his civil rights by getting involved in an arrest.

I think calling his parents would have been a better course of action by the schools. That's how unruly students are dealt with. If no response by the parents sitting in the principles office all day would have been punishment enough, back in the day.

But nowadays you never know when some angry kid decides to take his daddy's guns and get revenge on a school full of innocent kids.

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Originally Posted by talaniman

I think calling his parents would have been a better course of action by the schools. That's how unruly students are dealt with. If no response by the parents sitting in the principles office all day would have been punishment enough, back in the day.

But nowadays you never know when some angry kid decides to take his daddy's guns and get revenge on a school full of innocent kids.

Before calling the cops.

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Originally Posted by talaniman

I think calling his parents would have been a better course of action by the schools. That's how unruly students are dealt with. If no response by the parents sitting in the principles office all day would have been punishment enough, back in the day.

But nowadays you never know when some angry kid decides to take his daddy's guns and get revenge on a school full of innocent kids.

Tell you what... if you want to MAKE someone WANT to get revenge and shoot up a school... violate their civil rights with a false arrest... over somne stupid made up charge of wearing a T-shirt the communists in the school don't like.

I hope that kids parents sue the school system... and win... and the parties involved in that arrest get fired and lose their pension... all of them.

And I hope civil suits are brought against the school employees involved.

The vengeful right wing in action

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Originally Posted by paraclete

the vengeful right wing in action

We learned it from the left who did it first...

Funny how civil rights apply to every one else other than just lefties too. Bet you find that inconvenient as hell.

The left sues on stupid crap all the time... a false arrest by left wing loons is the BEST application of a civil rights case to sue over as has ever been seen in 50 years.

I don't have any problems, my civil rights aren't being violated by an armed population

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Originally Posted by tomder55

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What kind of model is that?? Didn't even have a scope on it for long range looking to see if its done. Sheesh!!

I haven't seen one of those in years

I didn't know you could get 'em with tactical pistol grips.

Hello again,

Gun control is dead. So is immigration reform, but I don't want to get ahead of myself.. My question is twofold. The polls say 90% of the people wanted, even the watered down background check bill to become law.

(1) Are the polls wrong?

(2) If they're right, will the senators who voted against it be punished by the voters?

(3) Why?

excon

90% of the people polled at a Democrat party meeting maybe... but not 90% of the actual public. That so called "poll" has already been debunked.

Any senator that voted against the Bill of rights should be voted out of office... and they should be happy they aren't tarred and feathered right before being lynched for anti-american behaviour.

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again,

Gun control is dead. So is immigration reform, but I don't want to get ahead of myself.. My question is twofold. The polls say 90% of the people wanted, even the watered down background check bill to become law.

(1) Are the polls wrong?

(2) If they're right, will the senators who voted against it be punished by the voters?

(3) Why?

excon

1) It depends on how they were worded. If the current system of checks were expended to private sales then the poll is going to read in favor. Its not that big of a deal. But if you add language of a national registration and your going to get the oppisite.

2) Will there be punishment for those that voted it down when they changed the wording. My thinking is the only ones ticked about it is those left of center. They were frothing for a total gun ban and anything short of that they will cry about.

3) Why it goes the way it does is because we have long term politicians and it was never intended to be that way.

Hello again,

FOX News isn't liberal.. They say 83% wanted it to pass. Frankly, I haven't seen a poll saying otherwise.

excon

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again,

FOX News isn't liberal.. They say 83% wanted it to pass. Frankly, I haven't seen a poll saying otherwise.

excon

Looks like a wording issue and an emotional one. Like I said if they word it one way then you get one response and another garners you something completely different.

I didn't see the wording in the link you posted.

Hello again, dad:

I get the sense that you DENY that 90% of the people WANTED the background check... But, let's NOT argue about that. Let's ASSUME the polls are RIGHT. What will happen to the politicians who voted against it?

Of course, if the polls are WRONG, nothing will happen.

excon

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, dad:

I get the sense that you DENY that 90% of the people WANTED the background check... But, let's NOT argue about that. Let's ASSUME the polls are RIGHT. What will happen to the politicians who voted against it?

Of course, if the polls are WRONG, nothing will happen.

excon

I don't deny it. Im saying it depended on the wording. As far as I am aware of. If they expanded existing back ground checks to private sales and didn't change anything else. Then Im sure you could easily get to that 90%. But if you ask the same group about a national gun registration then about 1/2 of them would not say yes to it.

The bill they talked about passing had a back door built into it that could have allowed such registration. So in voting it down I don't see a lot of backlash coming from it. .

Seeing as how the only place it's going to matter is with red state Dems your question seems rather pointless.

The only ones hollering about a national registry is the right. There has been no such language in any bill, quite the opposite as Manchin/Toomey calls for a 15 year jail term.

For sure us lefty's would love a national registry, but we can settle for background checks for now of everybody. Most states, even red ones don't take the word of gun owners that their son or nephew is responsible and sane enough to get a gun as a gift anyway.

We should put a rider into the next bill instituting capitol punishment for Pot use and possession... that will get the attention of the left.

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Originally Posted by talaniman

For sure us lefty's would love a national registry, but we can settle for background checks for now of everybody. Most states, even red ones don't take the word of gun owners that their son or nephew is responsible and sane enough to get a gun as a gift anyway.

Since your speaking up about it. In your ideal world what do you want done with what is already out there as far as the gun issues go ?

Odd that the left wants every gun registered... yet they are responsible for the mental deficients running loose doing all the killing instead of being locked up in mental institutions like they used to be.

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Originally Posted by smoothy

Odd that the left wants every gun registered...yet they are responsible for the mental deficients running loose doing all the killing instead of being locked up in mental institutions like they used to be.

And the gas chambers are not far away

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There has been no such language in any bill, quite the opposite as Manchin/Toomey calls for a 15 year jail term.

no you are quite wrong about that;and dad is right... there really was a means for a back door registry . The only restriction in the bill was if the Justice Dept kept such a registry . It did not restrict the one agency that is going to ask EVERY American adult if they own a gun... HHS .

Now I think the lesson learned here is that if you try to jam through an ad hoc comprehensive bill that no one has read because you don't want to let a crisis go to waste ;it most likely will not pass anymore... Once bit twice shy .

I don't think there will be ANY political consequences for voting against the bill.. I won't dispute the numbers the polls say about support for national backround checks if you don't dispute the poll that said only 4% of Americans gave any gun control a high priority compared to all the other issues facing the country

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Originally Posted by paraclete

and the gas chambers are not far away

Guns in the hands of law abiding people aren't the problem... lunatics running loose are.

There are plenty of examples of loons killing people with means other than guns... yet you choose to ignore the people committing the crimes to oppress the people who AREN'T committing the crimes... Typical leftist action... then they complain when nothing changes. Duh... that's like having a problem with rats... but you put out bait and traps for mountain lions... then wonder why the rat problem isn't getting any better.

Hello smoothy:

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We should put a rider into the next bill instituting capitol punishment for Pot use and possession... that will get the attention of the left.

Why don't you stick your right wing sh1t UP your a$$. Fu*k you!

Excon

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello smoothy:

Why don't you stick your right wing sh1t UP your a$$. Fu*k you!

excon

Ex that's not nice, smoothy doesn't know his arse from his apex, look, he is probably a dope sniffer anyway, you might get shafted for this one, mate