I need a doctor to get a nose job, too. That doesn't make it medically necessary.
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I need a doctor to get a nose job, too. That doesn't make it medically necessary.
You can't speak for a female though, you have no right to speak for any one other than yourself because what her and her doctor deem necessary has nothing to do with how you feel about YOUR nose.
Oh waaa! Your guy is installing an unaccountable board that's going to decide what to pay for so your protestations are misdirected. And as far as ex's point goes, I'll let him spin his way out.Quote:
You can't speak for a female though, you have no right to speak for any one other than yourself because what her and her doctor deem necessary has nothing to do with how you feel about YOUR nose.
Hello again, Steve:
Why is "medically necessary" the issue? Or, better yet, why is YOUR definition of what's medically necessary a valid one? I'll bet there are many doctors who would disagree with definition. Frankly, THEIR opinions carry more weight with me than your religious based one does.
Now, you're entitled to your religious beliefs, but you can't impose them upon the public at large. When you're a public employer, you must adhere to the rules ALL public employers have to.
By the way, if you think contraceptives are a CHOICE, why can't you buy them at 7/Eleven?
Now, it COULD be argued, and I'm sure it is, that if a family wanted to CONTROL its output, it would be MEDICALLY necessary to have a doctor manage it...
excon
Really? Because some things are optional.Quote:
Why is "medically necessary" the issue?
Um, a Catholic school is not a PUBLIC employer, and as I've said before you are free to accept their terms of employment or you're free to work elsewhere. But leave it to you lefties to turn voluntary association with an employer into imposing religious beliefs on the country instead of the government imposing its beliefs on the church.Quote:
Now, you're entitled to your religious beliefs, but you can't impose them upon the public at large. When you're a public employer, you must adhere to the rules ALL public employers have to.
Let me rephrase what I said to Tal earlier, you're both right out of an Orwell novel.
Heck, you can still buy them in truck stop restrooms if you have a couple of quarters.Quote:
By the way, if you think contraceptives are a CHOICE, why can't you buy them at 7/Eleven?
Hello again, Steve:
Those are the ones for men. We're talking about woman's health. They need to see a DOCTOR.Quote:
Heck, you can still buy them in truck stop restrooms if you have a couple of quarters.
That's all you got?
Excon
Well I suppose if it's two women involved they don't need contraceptives now do they?Quote:
Those are the ones for men. We're talking about woman's health. They need to see a DOCTOR.
Nope, you ignored this part:Quote:
That's all you got?
Really? Because some things are optional.
Um, a Catholic school is not a PUBLIC employer, and as I've said before you are free to accept their terms of employment or you're free to work elsewhere. But leave it to you lefties to turn voluntary association with an employer into imposing religious beliefs on the country instead of the government imposing its beliefs on the church.Quote:
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Now, you're entitled to your religious beliefs, but you can't impose them upon the public at large. When you're a public employer, you must adhere to the rules ALL public employers have to.
Let me rephrase what I said to Tal earlier, you're both right out of an Orwell novel.
Since when is a catholic school an insurance company?Quote:
Um, a Catholic school is not a PUBLIC employer,
Who said they were?Quote:
Since when is a catholic school an insurance company?
Some things for you and your way of thinking may be optional but that doesn't hold for a female who is poor, or working poor or a working poor guy.
Why are you even presuming to know what's best for any female? And show me where its an unaccountable board making decisions about what's necessary or not.
What do you have against doctors, science, medicine, and the truth AND women?
Plus if catholics cannot use contraceptives then there will zero demand for them, right? The problem solves itself.
Oh boo hoo, don't play the pity card. I've already shown there is no problem with access to contraceptives so it's a phony, phony argument.Quote:
Some things for you and your way of thinking may be optional but that doesn't hold for a female who is poor, or working poor or a working poor guy.
Another straw man.Quote:
Why are you even presuming to know what's best for any female?
The Independent Payment Advisory Board, look it up.Quote:
And show me where its an unaccountable board making decisions about what's necessary or not.
Love 'em all. And you? Especially that truth thing.Quote:
What do you have against doctors, science, medicine, and the truth AND women?
Please run it by me again. I read your posts faithfully and don't remember what the access point is.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Try the search feature.
I was hoping you would remember and give me a word or two.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
My pleasure,I love researching for FACTS!!Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Independent Payment Advisory Board - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
So much for the no accountability.Quote:
The new system grants IPAB the authority to make changes to the Medicare program with the Congress being given the power to overrule the agency's decisions through supermajority vote.
If the Board fails to submit a proposal that the Chief Actuary certifies will achieve the savings target, the Secretary of Health and Human Services must submit a proposal that will achieve that amount of savings. The Secretary must then implement the proposal unless Congress enacts resolutions made to override the Board's (or the Secretary's) decisions under a fast-track procedure that the law sets forth.[1]
Bi partisan for sure, the goal,Quote:
IPAB is composed of fifteen members appointed by the President, subject to Senate confirmation. The Secretary of HHS, the Administrator of the Center for Medicare and Medicaid Services, and the Administrator of the Health Resources and Services Administration serve ex officio as nonvoting members.[15] In making the appointments, the President consults with the Majority Leader of the Senate concerning the appointment of three members; the Speaker of the House of Representatives concerning the appointment of three members, the Minority Leader of the Senate concerning the appointment of three members, and the Minority Leader of the House of Representatives concerning the appointment of three members.[16]
To put it simply, oversight to bring down health care costs,and increase coverage. Geez guy we have to do better than the increases of the past or none of us will be able to afford aspirin, and unless you have a better idea besides criticizing those who try then doing NOTHING is NOT a great option is it.Quote:
IPAB is tasked with developing specific proposals to bring the net growth in Medicare spending back to target levels if the Medicare Actuary determines that net spending is forecast to exceed target levels, beginning in 2015.
I know you think that access for everybody has already been established, but in the real world, that's just not the case and your catholic charities will confirm that if you talk to them. The bigger the city, the bigger the problem, and people do fall through the cracks because its easier than you think, even for the rugged small town studs like yourself.
And you won't replace honest debate with that 'straw argument' phrase. Its a cop out. Go volunteer at some hospital or church and tell me about all those people who have all that access.
"there is no problem with access to contraceptives."Quote:
I was hoping you would remember and give me a word or two.
I guess Tal doesn't get what "independent" means and that cutting Medicare costs means cutting services. If it isn't funded, it isn't provided.
Which page of the report says that?Quote:
"there is no problem with access to contraceptives."
Easy enough to miss I guess?Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
They may be independent, but the congress can over rule anything the recommend.Quote:
which has the explicit task of achieving specified savings in Medicare without affecting coverage or quality.[1
It would require a 2/3 Senate majority to overrule their recommendations.
Same as it takes to pass anything, except reconcilliation which can only be done if its budgetary related. SO??
Not quite, most Senate votes only require a simple majority.
Hello again:
Republicans are changing up... They want to present a kinder gentler message. By the way, how do you gently say vaginal probe?? Never mind. I digress... They keep on talking about why lower taxes and smaller government DOESN'T appeal to minorities... What they DON'T realize is that it DOES resonate with the electorate. But, when tempered with the wars it perpetrates on certain classes of people, that message gets buried.
The Republicans are NOT addressing the war on women.. I guess since they don't think there IS one, they don't have to address it... They didn't think they were warring with the Hispanic community either, but now they get that they were.. They don't think they're warring on women, but women think they are...
Are they going to CONTINUE to deny it, or are they going to address it?? Me?? I'd just as soon they deny it. That way the Democrats WILL take over the House in '14.
excon
Ex it is all amyth, a very, smart myth that won an election
I see you intend on continuing the lie, ex.
Are you saying Obamas lies are better than Romneys?
No one lies better than Obama.
Romney was great at it and we knew he was lying. Especially the women. I guess all of us are fools and dufusses. Your liar still lost!
Or the American people were going to lose no matter who won?
America loses when the media helps the president cover for his lies.
And the right wing media is honest, truthful, and factual? Blaming the media is par for the right wing course.
The establishment media in this country has pretty well forsaken journalistic ethics.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
You can blame them speech, just about everyoneelse has abandoned ethics of one sort or another
I'm not that cynical.
And don't you just love those two Republican politicians that claimed that rape was Gods will and if she got pregnant that was Gods Will also? Then along came another Republican That informed us the women couldn't get pregnant because all females have a system that shuts down during a rape. I guess these guys never had a talk with mommy about the birds and the bees.
But. On the other hand I expect no less from Republicans. Think about it. Every bad thing that's happened to this nation has been under a Republican president starting with Nixon Regards, Tom
Speednut, you're not only way late to that party, you must have partied through the Carter years.
Seems I recall something about being reminded repeatedly that the courts keep blocking voter ID laws so we should take heed. Well, for the third time now the courts have rejected the contraceptive mandate... two of them in favor of for-profit businesses.
Surely the courts are waging a war on women.Quote:
A federal court today stopped enforcement of the Obama administration’s abortion pill mandate against a Bible publisher which filed a lawsuit against it.
The mandate has generated massive opposition from pro-life groups because it forces employers, regardless of their religious or moral convictions, to provide insurance coverage for abortion-inducing drugs, sterilization, and contraception under threat of heavy penalties.
The Obama administration opposed the order, arguing that Tyndale House Publishers isn’t religious enough for an exemption from the mandate, a component of ObamaCare that forces employers, regardless of their religious or moral convictions, to provide insurance coverage for abortion-inducing drugs, sterilization, and contraception under threat of heavy penalties.
The decision only applies to the company and does not stop the Obama HHS mandate nationwide against other religious groups, businesses, hospitals, or educational institutions.
Represented by attorneys with Alliance Defending Freedom, Tyndale House Publishers, based in Illinois, is the world’s largest privately held Christian publisher of books, Bibles, and digital media and directs 96.5 percent of its profits to religious non-profit causes worldwide. The publisher specifically objects to covering abortifacients under the mandate.
The court’s order is the third nationwide against the mandate and the second obtained by Alliance Defending Freedom attorneys.
“Bible publishers should be free to do business according to the book that they publish,” said Senior Legal Counsel Matt Bowman, who argued before the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia on Nov. 9.
Bowman told LifeNews: “The court has done the right thing in halting the mandate while our lawsuit moves forward. For the government to say that a Bible publisher is not religious is startling. It demonstrates how clearly the Obama administration is willing to disregard the Constitution’s protection of religious freedom to achieve certain political purposes.”
In its opinion accompanying a preliminary injunction order in Tyndale House Publishers v. Sebelius, the court wrote that “the beliefs of Tyndale and its owners are indistinguishable…. Christian principles, prayer, and activities are pervasive at Tyndale, and the company’s ownership structure is designed to ensure that it never strays from its faith-oriented mission.
The opinion continued: “The Court has no reason to doubt, moreover, that Tyndale’s religious objection to providing insurance coverage for certain contraceptives reflects the beliefs of Tyndale’s owners. Nor is there any dispute that Tyndale’s primary owner, the Foundation, can ‘exercise religion’ in its own right, given that it is a non-profit religious organization; indeed, the case law is replete with examples of such organizations asserting cognizable free exercise and RFRA [Religious Freedom Restoration Act] challenges.”
Tyndale is subject to the mandate because Obama administration rules say for-profit corporations are categorically non-religious, even though Tyndale House is strictly a publisher of Bibles and other Christian materials and is primarily owned by the non-profit Tyndale House Foundation. The foundation provides grants to help meet the physical and spiritual needs of people around the world.
On July 27, Alliance Defending Freedom attorneys obtained the first-ever court order against the Obama administration’s mandate on behalf of Colorado’s Hercules Industries and the Catholic family that owns it.
P.S. A bible publisher isn't "religious enough" for Obama?
By the way, anyone notice Obama's latest breach of protocol? Didn't anyone tell the man that public kissing is a no-no in Asia, especially someone other than your wife who might be a head of state and whose name you can't pronounce?
I think he's just a sexist womanizer. What a priceless image though for the "leader of the free world."Quote:
For someone alleged to have grown up in Asia, Barack Obama is repeatedly clueless about customs there.
It's one thing if you're a tourist. But as the president of the United States? More problematic.
You may recall earlier trips there, part of his apology tours, when the Democrat president was bowing to just about everyone. In Japan, Emperor Akihito in a gesture of hospitality stuck out his hand for a Western greeting rather than expect a bow as he would from a subject.
Maybe Obama skips his protocol briefings too. He shook the Emperor's hands and bowed, very low like the gardener. Not like a visiting head of state. One or the other, bucko. Not both.
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Eager to take advantage of such a photo opportunity before the world media, Obama leaned in for a little kiss, as a Chicago pol might at a South Side rally where women would squeal for a presidential peck. Obama is a big political kisser. He kisses females everywhere. Introduce him at a rally, you get a kiss. Hug too, probably. He knows the ladies love it.
But Asia ain't Hyde Park. Public kissing, even between husband and wife, is rarely seen. Between a man and woman not married it's downright outrageous, even scandalous. So Obama's presumably affectionate but impolite, totally out of place smooch created an international moment more awkward than a first date.
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Being nice to the ladies is how Obama will conquer the world! She looks like she's smiling to me! Or is that a silly school girl grin?
I'm sure you thought Bush rubbing Merkel's shoulders was endearing, too.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Wrong! I didn't give a rats patoot!
Bobby Jindal fired a shot in the war on women, and I agree.
Ok you libs out there, ready to end the politicization of birth control?Quote:
Gov. Bobby Jindal said oral contraceptives should be available over-the-counter in a Thursday evening op-ed for the Wall Street Journal. The self-described "unapologetic pro-life Republican" governor of Louisiana said this would lower health-care costs, prevent government intrusion into citizens' lives and fight the influence of big pharmaceutical companies.
"As a conservative Republican, I believe that we have been stupid to let the Democrats demagogue the contraceptives issue and pretend, during debates about health-care insurance, that Republicans are somehow against birth control," Jindal said in the op-ed.
Jindal cited a December committee opinion from the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists which came out in favor of over-the-counter access to the pill "to improve contraceptive access and use and possibly decrease unintended pregnancy rates."
Although the op-ed might seem like a shift to the left for the Catholic governor, Jindal also reiterated his conservative reasoning behind his support for the issue.
First, he made clear if oral contraception was more readily available, employers currently mandated to provide it under President Barack Obama's Affordable Care Act would not need to do so.
This argument most clearly is geared toward religiously-affiliated employers who have come out against providing birth control against Church doctrine.
Second, he touted the impact it could have on individual buyers, saying "it's time to put purchasing power back in the hands of consumers."
Finally, he said if oral contraception is available over-the-counter, this would put an end to the politicization of the issue.
"Contraception is a personal matter -- the government shouldn't be in the business of banning it or requiring a woman's employer to keep tabs on her use of it."
"The latest opinion from the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists is a common-sense call for reform that could yield a result everyone can embrace: the end of birth-control politics."
Hello again, Steve:
We're NOT the ones who politicized it in the first place. But, it doesn't matter who started it, at least Jindal is calling an end to it.Quote:
Ok you libs out there, ready to end the politicization of birth control?
However... If WOMEN'S health care is going to be offered over the counter, why not MEN'S?? If Viagra isn't ALSO offered, then you're just switching VICTIMS in your war.
Excon
PS> (edited) Upon further consideration, why would pharmacists who won't fill a prescription for birth control, be OK with ladies buying it off a shelf 5 feet away from him??
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