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THey aren't paying for it themselves... many of them will be getting SUBSIDIES... many will get it FREE... you understand basic economics... nothing is free... someone else has to foot the bill for it. Those of us with jobs that actually pay taxes are who will pay for it in higher taxes.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
You already are and have been for decades. DUHHHHHHHHH!!Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
I haven't been paying for Obamacare for decades... but I agree I am now... therefore its not free... its nothing short of being mugged.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
And I want my money back... they make the sacrifices to pay for their own.. WITHOUT subsidies... or they can do without.
I managed to do it when I was younger and its was a big chunk of my paycheck... before I spend a dime on anything else... they can do the same. It didn't kill me and it won't kill them.
You've been paying for Medicare and Medicaid and SS for decades (and didn't benefit -- yet). Oh, and my husband says thanks for your contribution toward Medicare's paying for his stent surgery.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
You have been paying for emergency room visits by the uninsured for DECADES, not just with your taxes and federal subsidies to hospitals, but also with the cost those hospitals pass to YOU.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
That's the dreaded mandate my friend, the one you disagree with. Is a tax break a subsidy, no it's a deduction from taxes paid.Quote:
I managed to do it when I was younger and its was a big chunk of my paycheck... before I spend a dime on anything else... they can do the same. It didn't kill me and it won't kill them
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Originally Posted by Wondergirl
The Pill.
Hello again, Steve:
Nahhhh... All it is, is right wingers flapping their gums and citing right wing sources. What else is new?Quote:
Come on, the examples in this thread alone are proof
Excon
So, none of you care that the feds are invading your bedroom thanks to Obamacare? Really?
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Since when are the unions right wingers?Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
That has nothing to do with it... because are they doing away with that in exchange for this monstrosity... Nope... not they aren't.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Medicare and SSI have nothing at all to do with Obamacare.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
I'm asking again, none of you libs that whine so often about keeping the government out of our bedrooms care that Obamacare is doing just that?
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Your conservative author has been wrong before and is again so I challenge you to find the part of the ACA that backs up what she says.
Yup, the confidentiality thing won't change with ACA.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
First of all the confidentiality thing is HIPAA which prevents providers from sharing information with people, such as friends and family, that you haven't authorized to receive such information. It has nothing to do with what Obamacare requires to be provided to the government.
Secondly, I defy you to show me me how the physicians quoted are conservative authors.
Is he lying? I don't think so, but you remain naïve to all the nonsense being forced on us and the erosion of our rights. You're once again proving you put policy ahead of people and all your past protests about keeping government out of the bedroom, other invasions of privacy and protecting rights were nothing more than hot air. I'm not surprised at all.Quote:
“This is nasty business,” says New York cardiologist Dr. Adam Budzikowski. He called the sex questions “insensitive, stupid and very intrusive.” He couldn’t think of an occasion when a cardiologist would need such information — but he knows he’ll be pushed to ask for it.
Utter complete BS. Show me where its in the ACA! You refuse to do your own homework before you rattle off some crap the right has been doing for decades. Start with checking out the author of your piece and see her history and advocacy track record. Then check the doctors she trots out. Have you read the other crap she has written?
Or were you to young to remember the Clinton years?
PS, the only time a physician will asks if you own a gun because of the side effects of any medications he wants to prescribe for certain conditions.
Hello again, Steve:
Bwa, ha ha ha.Quote:
If there's anyone we can trust for her expertise on health care policy, it's Betsy McCaughey, the genius who decided that if Medicare pays for seniors to meet with a doctor to discuss living wills, that's a DEATH PANEL. That's a hell of a lie, and really, there's no way she could hope to top it. But there's still plenty of stuff to lie about, so how about this? In Sunday's New York Post, McCaughey warns that as soon as Obamacare goes into effect, The Government will require every doctor you visit to ask intrusive questions about whom and how you are sexing:
Excon
And you guys still think if we like our plan we can keep it.
Hello again, Steve:For the most part, yes. Let me ask you this. You're a worker. You're covered by your employer. Are YOU losing YOURS? Why not?Quote:
And you guys still think if we like our plan we can keep it.
On another matter. Are you satisfied with your health care coverage? Have you USED it? IF you've used it, are you STILL satisfied?
Let me explain.. I have pretty good insurance. Since I think I'm a good buyer, OF COURSE, I'm satisfied with my purchase. But, I have NO idea what I'm covered for. I doubt any of you do either... Certainly the last 50 pages of my policy tells me what they DON'T cover, and I'm afraid if I get sick, I'll get one of those diseases.
That won't satisfy me at all.
Excon
It's a simple matter of the facts. Unless your current plan meets all of the Obamacare criteria it will not be grandfathered in, period. And if you can't understand that Obamacare's union cheerleaders aren't happy, and that 90 percent of federal workers, including those enforcing it, don't want any part of it you'll never get it.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Hello again, Steve:Nahhh.. You're NOT paying attention.Quote:
if you can't understand that Obamacare's union cheerleaders aren't happy, and that 90 percent of federal workers, including those enforcing it, don't want any part of it you'll never get it.
They DO want PARTS of it. The LOVE the part that says kids get to stay on their parents policy until they're 26. That'll NEVER change... They LOVE the part where your insurance company CANNOT deny you because of a pre-existing condition.. We'll NEVER go back to the way it was.
I agree, though, about the part they DON'T like, and that's how to PAY for it... So, the REALITY is, it's HERE to stay. But, instead of trying to FIX it, you'd rather DESTROY your party over it. Makes NO sense to me...
Excon
Dude, you sound just like Obama's other useful idiots. The difference is they've finally noticed they got screwed.
The part you don't acknowledge is negotiations are still in progress and the tweaking continues. No you don't get to use resolution of the glitches as an excuse to repeal it and go back to consumers being gouged.
13 days left.
SMH... you guys worry me.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Oh I have no doubt that there is behind the scenes negotiations and promises by the emperor to his union base asking them to ride it out and the "fixes" will come later. Specifically they will agree to extend taxpayer subsidies (the ones designed to help families without employer sponsored insurance )to the union “Taft-Hartley” plans.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
This idea was floated by James Hoffa in his scathing letter to Speaker Bonehead and Madam Mimi .
Not even Warren Buffet is still backing this.
Warren Buffett: Scrap Obamacare and Start Over | The Weekly Standard
He wants it scrapped just like most Americans.
Not a surprise you would listen to a rich banker telling you what's good for people who suffer under not being able to afford health care at all, and a right wing news source.
Doctors Readying For Obamacare's New Health Insurance Benefits
I guess doctors working quietly to help their patients instead of scare them with hollering doesn't make the news as much. Keep squealing and in 13 days when the creek don't rise and the sky don't fall, you will be ignored as a noisemaker after a party is over, and reality takes hold.
But then reality never shuts you guys up as you still try to kill SS, and Medicare after all these years.
Don't leave out all the doctors who are closing up their practices or changing over to botique care exclusively outside of Obamacare where you pay cash... you don't want to appear to be ignoring the reality do you?
Dude, I can say this much for you, you are a faithful soldier in Obama's army. I'm not saying that's a good thing, but you are dedicated to the cause no matter how big a clusterfark it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
I like this comment from an article --
Q: After personally working on the legislation, what are your final thoughts about Obamacare? Do you think we’re heading in the right direction with this legislation?
A: The Affordable Care Act is an incredibly complex and imperfect law, but this is landmark legislation for American health-care history, kind of the starting place for a lot of important changes. The country was already facing problems of rising health-care costs and this has sort of sparked the changes that needed to happen. More people are going to be able to afford coverage, which is really a moral step in the right direction for everyone. It will be a bumpy road but in about 10 years expect to see a much better health-care system.
What to expect when Obamacare hits full swing in 2014
Right out of the WHite Houses Propaganda Ministry.
Hope I live to see its success.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
I hope it is history before this year is out... and I certainly will work to get rid of it as long as it takes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Hello again, smoothy:
Then you believe shutting down the government will get it defunded, true? And, you believe that defunding it will get rid of it forever, true? And, you believe that sometime during the last 3.5 years of the Obama administration, that Obama will sign a repeal of his signature legislation, true?Quote:
I hope it is history before this year is out... and I certainly will work to get rid of it as long as it takes.
What part of it BEING the CONSTITUTIONAL LAW of the land, do you NOT understand?
Excon
What part of OBAMA IS NOT A GOD do you not understand... ANY law ever written can be repealed... especially one this screwed up and bad.. Even one handed down from ontop the mountain by Obama the Messiah.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
What part of a majority of Americans didn't want it then and don't want it now don't you understand?Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Where are you finding this "majority"? That's not what I'm reading about and hearing.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Health Care Law - Rasmussen Reports™Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
This looks like most polls I've seen and heard of.
Hello dad:
What you won is the PR war. They COULD have been better at introducing it..
Nonetheless, like Nancy Peloci said, you have get it before you understand it.
The problem you wingers have, is that your conversation hasn't changed one iota since the bill was being debated. You threw around stuff like Death Panels which was patently untrue, and now you expect us to believe you...
I'm sorry. I don't. It's a GOOD law. It needs tweaking. It ain't going anywhere.
excon
Lets face it. Tweaking is something that you do when you need minor corrective changes. This is a disaster. It need much more then tweaking. It needed an overhaul as soon as it was passed. They could have done it correctly and brought it in in stages. But they didn't want to do that. It makes too much sense. Now as America is trying to recover from Obamanomics we will be stuck with this that will further burdern the taxpayers of this country and slow it down even more. What you thought it was free??Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
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