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  • Apr 19, 2013, 05:28 AM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Tuttyd View Post
    Basically this is correct. Skin tone is not always a good indicator.

    Tut

    But features do... and as pale as I am (Irish, Scottish and German background)... I've known a couple blacks that are lighter than me (well maybe not lighter.. more like as light as me)... I went to school with one for years before I found out she was black...
  • Apr 19, 2013, 05:54 AM
    paraclete
    Smoothy, the longer you know them the lighter they become
  • Apr 19, 2013, 05:57 AM
    Tuttyd
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by smoothy View Post
    But features do.......and as pale as I am (Irish, Scottish and German background)....I've known a couple blacks that are lighter than me (well maybe not lighter..more like as light as me).....I went to school with one for years before I found out she was black....

    I am not an anthropologist. This is a highly specialized area depending on the area you choose to study. The whole subject of race is up for volumes of debate. The bottom line is that there is no clear cut agreement as to how many human races can be classified under particular types. As far as I am aware some say some say three races some say five races.

    Irish, Scottish and German backgrounds are of course ethnic groups. However a large percentage probably belong to the Caucasian group. As you correctly point out it is the "features" that are the basis of the classification. This method of classification is fraught with problems as well.

    As far as I understand, the classification is based on phenotypes ( how someone looks) rather than genotypes( genetic make up). Some traits are dominant and some recessive. This may explain why someone who is of Negroid background actually looked as light as you.
  • Apr 19, 2013, 06:09 AM
    talaniman
    No matter the variety of subjective traits there is but one race of humans.
  • Apr 19, 2013, 06:16 AM
    Tuttyd
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    Smoothy, the longer you know them the lighter they become


    BRILLIANT!

    It is actually true.
  • Apr 19, 2013, 06:17 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    What leads you to believe that?

    How many Chechens are home grown American right-wingers? Do you even bother to read before posting?
  • Apr 19, 2013, 06:23 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    They look white to me. You need to adjust the controls on your monitor LOL.

    SMH.

    Quote:

    Boston Marathon suspects are of Chechen origin

    The suspects in the attack on the Boston Marathon - one killed, one on the loose - are brothers of Chechen origin, at least one a legal permanent resident of the United States, law enforcement officials told NBC News.

    The suspect at large early Friday was identified as Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, 19, born in Kyrgyzstan and holding a Massachusetts driver's license. He was the suspect in the white hat in surveillance photos from the marathon released by the FBI.

    His brother, who was killed in a firefight with law enforcement, was identified as Tamerlan Tsarnaev, 26, born in Russia. He became a legal permanent resident in 2007, the officials said. He was the suspect in the black hat in the FBI photos.
    Any more questions genius?
  • Apr 19, 2013, 06:28 AM
    tomder55
    Commentary: Al-Qaeda's New Hunting Ground | The National Interest
  • Apr 19, 2013, 06:47 AM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    Smoothy, the longer you know them the lighter they become

    No really. Just the luck of the draw genetically... being she was half black. Her older brother was very dark skinned.
  • Apr 19, 2013, 06:50 AM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Tuttyd View Post
    BRILLIANT!!

    It is actually true.

    Actually its not true... Fact is I didn't find out she was black until the senior year of high school.when I found out who her brother was.after knowing her as a classmate for 6 years... question never came up... and it was never asked...
  • Apr 19, 2013, 07:00 AM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Tuttyd View Post
    BRILLIANT!!

    It is actually true.

    Should I bow now or would you like more of my sage wisdom?
  • Apr 19, 2013, 07:27 AM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    should I bow now or would you like more of my sage wisdom?

    Be a waste of time because it isn't at all true.
  • Apr 19, 2013, 07:55 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again,

    Ok, my questions are too hard. Here's an easier one... I say the odds are 4 to 1 that the Boston Bomber was a right wing American nut and not a Jihadist.

    Are you wingers HOPING it wasn't? You're not sure, are you?

    excon

    Well, if these were the guys then you'd have lost that bet. I'm betting the odds are 4-1 that some left-wingers are awfully disappointed this morning.

    Let’s hope the Boston Marathon bomber is a white American
  • Apr 19, 2013, 08:07 AM
    excon
    Hello again, Steve:

    It's not the first bet I lost.. I'm glad he's not an American.

    excon
  • Apr 19, 2013, 08:21 AM
    talaniman
    The Kaufman killers were Americans. So was that Colorado guy. Win some, lose some?
  • Apr 19, 2013, 09:47 AM
    Wondergirl
    According to the uncle, the younger one (maybe still alive somewhere) had been in this country since 2001, was doing well in school and had a bright future, but his older brother (killed in the shootout early this morning) came to this country about five years ago and began poisoning the younger brother's mind about politics and religion and the U.S. The boys' father is in Chechnya and pleading with the younger one to give up peacefully. Both young men were legal permanent U.S. residents.
  • Apr 19, 2013, 09:52 AM
    smoothy
    Odd since what I've seen the Uncle says he hasn't seen eithe rof them since 2005.

    And the Father was claiming they are innocent and aggels... yeah right... innocent my butt...
  • Apr 19, 2013, 09:57 AM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by smoothy View Post
    Odd since what I've seen the Uncle says he hasn't seen eithe rof them since 2005.

    Why odd? The uncle seemed sure about the characters of the two young men. You don't have to be talking with them on a regular basis to know characters/personalities of your relatives.
    Quote:

    And the Father was claiming they are innocent and aggels... yeah right... innocent my butt...
    Angels? Used to be, as in hard to believe this is what they have become, how they have turned out.
  • Apr 19, 2013, 10:01 AM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    Why odd? The uncle seemed sure about the characters of the two young men. You don't have to be talking with them on a regular basis to know characters/personalities of your relatives.

    Angels? Used to be, as in hard to believe this is what they have become, how they have turned out.

    Their coverage on the uncle is local news here.. being he's about 20 miles from where I am right now in montgomery County MD that borders Whashington, DC.

    They might have been angels as LITTLE kids... but they haven't been for some time obviously.
  • Apr 19, 2013, 10:15 AM
    Wondergirl
    Apparently, the older brother (from what I am hearing) was socially and emotionally disconnected, had no friends, was obsessed with Islam and what was "right." The younger brother had totally become part of the U.S. landscape until his brother started to influence him a few years ago.
  • Apr 19, 2013, 10:30 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    Apparently, the older brother (from what I am hearing) was socially and emotionally disconnected, had no friends, was obsessed with Islam and what was "right." The younger brother had totally become part of the U.S. landscape until his brother started to influence him a few years ago.

    And yet the Chechen president blames the evil on their American upbringing, not the apparent Islamic fanaticism.
  • Apr 19, 2013, 10:40 AM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    And yet the Chechen president blames the evil on their American upbringing, not the apparent Islamic fanaticism.

    Why the Chechen President Released His Statement About the Boston Bombers via Instagram | Motherboard
  • Apr 19, 2013, 10:48 AM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    Any attempt to draw a connection between Chechnya and Tsarnaevs — if they are guilty — is futile
    I fully agree with this part of his statement . It has nothing to do with the nation of origin. It has a lot to do with the radicalized version of the religion they embraced. I wonder if Ramzan Kadyrov is willing to disavow such extremism. It is an absolute FACT that AQ heavily recruits in Chechnya. American soldiers have been killed by Chechen jihadists in Afghanistan and Iraq . There are whole cells of Chechen jihadists waging war in Syria today.
  • Apr 19, 2013, 10:57 AM
    speechlesstx
    So he loves Instagram. Ok.
  • Apr 19, 2013, 10:59 AM
    tomder55
    Hmmm... NYC looking at Muslim college communities in the area doesn't seem so bad anymore.
  • Apr 19, 2013, 11:50 AM
    smoothy
    The Checken president must be running for Premier of East Cretin.
  • Apr 20, 2013, 02:45 AM
    tomder55
    All the people in that Watertown neighborhood, hiding, doors locked. ... How many of them, do you think -- and worried that this guy might get into their home, maybe take them hostage -- how many of them, do you think, might like a gun? To be able to protect themselves and defend their homes.
    (Chris Wallace )
    Chris Wallace on Bombing Suspect Manhunt: How Many In Lockdown Area 'Might Like A Gun'? - YouTube
  • Apr 20, 2013, 03:45 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    All the people in that Watertown neighborhood, hiding, doors locked. ... How many of them, do you think -- and worried that this guy might get into their home, maybe take them hostage -- how many of them, do you think, might like a gun? To be able to protect themselves and defend their homes.
    (Chris Wallace )
    Chris Wallace on Bombing Suspect Manhunt: How Many In Lockdown Area 'Might Like A Gun'? - YouTube

    So Fox is covering gun control, that should make the NY Slimes happy.
  • Apr 20, 2013, 06:55 AM
    speechlesstx
    I'm guessing that since these guys weren't homegrown white boys they'll be treated as "lone wolves" now by the Islamist apologists. Oops, I forgot you can't say Islamist any more. So how is al-AP going to report this?

    P.S. I hear they had a fondness for a radical Australian cleric. What of that, Clete?
  • Apr 20, 2013, 07:21 AM
    talaniman
    I don't apologize for nut cases that use God's name in vain as they justify extreme bad behavior, be they from Islam, or Christian, Jew or whatever. These guys had as much in common with Islam, as the Klan has with Christianity.
  • Apr 20, 2013, 07:37 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    I don't apologize for nut cases that use God's name in vain as they justify extreme bad behavior, be they from Islam, or Christian, Jew or whatever. These guys had as much in common with Islam, as the Klan has with Christianity.

    Ok, but should people remain in denial that the chief domain for terrorism is radical Islam? Yes, we darn sure need to stop tiptoeing around it, sensitivity be damned.
  • Apr 20, 2013, 08:08 AM
    tomder55
    Got to wonder about the parents.. the oldest son is named after a later day Genghis Kahn who roamed the areas around southern Russia ,Iran Turkey ,and most of the ummah trying to recreate the Khan dynasty as the self proclaimed "sword of Islam " .In the process he killed apx 17 million people... or about 5% of the world population at the time.
    Timur - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    He was notorious for his brutality and butchery . He slaughtered all 80,000 residents of Delhi He built walls from the skulls of his victims .
  • Apr 21, 2013, 10:30 PM
    paraclete
    That was then, this is now. Recent events may have alienated him, particularly if the Russians had singled him out and in any event there has been plenty to radicalise Muslim youth. We are expecting problems when our muslim youth return from Syria and you might find the same problem
  • Apr 22, 2013, 03:17 AM
    tomder55
    I think soft targets is the next 'wave' .
  • Apr 22, 2013, 05:27 AM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    I think soft targets is the next 'wave' .

    As opposed to tall buildings. Yes a small cell can accomplish much, in fact most of these attacks have been carried out by small cells and ithe idea of using IED's has been well proven in Iraq and Afghanistan. It's difficult if your enemy isn't going to face you with a gun, what good will your assault rifle be? What good will your hand gun be? Food for thought for the NRA. I expect the sales of bullet proof vests to be the next growth industry, if for no other reason than they are being supplied to Syrian rebels
  • Apr 22, 2013, 06:19 AM
    speechlesstx
    An 8th grader was suspended AND arrested for wearing a pro-second amendment shirt...

    Quote:

    When 8th grade Jared Marcum got dressed for school on Thursday he says he had no idea that his pro-Second Amendment shirt would initiate what he calls a fight over his First Amendment rights.

    "I never thought it would go this far because honestly I don't see a problem with this, there shouldn't be a problem with this," Jared said.

    It was the image of a gun printed on Jared's t-shirt that sparked a dispute between a Logan Middle School teacher and Jared, that ended with Jared suspended, arrested and facing two charges, obstruction and disturbing the education process, on his otherwise spotless record.

    Jared's father Allen Lardieri says he's angry he had to rush from work to pick his son up from jail over something he says was blown way out of proportion.

    "I don't' see how anybody would have an issue with a hunting rifle and NRA put on a t-shirt, especially when policy doesn't forbid it," Lardieri said.

    The Logan County School District's dress code policy prohibits clothing that displays profanity, violence, discriminatory messages and more but nowhere in the document does it say anything about gun images.

    "He did not violate any school policy," Lardieri reiterates. "He did not become aggressive."
    Go ahead, tell us how evil the kid is.
  • Apr 22, 2013, 06:21 AM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    An 8th grader was suspended AND arrested for wearing a pro-second amendment shirt...



    Go ahead, tell us how evil the kid is.

    Exactly... now the left is going after the first amendment now too.

    I bet there would have been no issue if the T-SHirt supported communism.
  • Apr 22, 2013, 06:59 AM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    An 8th grader was suspended AND arrested for wearing a pro-second amendment shirt...



    Go ahead, tell us how evil the kid is.

    No what's evil is the parent or person who gave the child a political T shirt and radicalised him a a young age. The school is correct to discipline him
  • Apr 22, 2013, 07:01 AM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    no what's evil is the parent or person who gave the child a political T shirt and radicalised him a a young age. The school is correct to discipline him

    No it isn't.. its BS that he got disciplined for something so stupid... that not only ISN'T wrong... its not even illegal.

    I bet the school would have looked the other way if it was a pro-abortion t-shirt... of a same sex marriage t-shirt.

    Being Pro-gun isn't "radicalized"... it called being AMERICAN. A concept a lot of non-Americans can't grasp...

    We have something they don't have... a Second Amendment RIGHT.. to own guns...
  • Apr 22, 2013, 07:04 AM
    cdad
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    no what's evil is the parent or person who gave the child a political T shirt and radicalised him a a young age. The school is correct to discipline him

    If standing up for your rights is a radical idea then they are going to be coming after a lot of us. Why is it so radical to teach your child to hunt?

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