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  • Jun 25, 2013, 07:04 AM
    tomder55
    What is shows is the spinelessness of the Repubics under Speaker Bonehead's leadership. You know that if Waxman was the head of the committee ,he'd be gnawing on the bones of the IRS and White House leaders.
  • Jun 28, 2013, 03:01 PM
    paraclete
    Tom have you switched allegiences?
  • Jun 28, 2013, 03:22 PM
    tomder55
    Never did have 'allegiance to the Republic party. I identify with conservatisms, and where the Repubics act like conservatives I support them,and when they don't I oppose.
    Speaker Bonehead has been as much a part of the purge the Tea Party as the Democrats .

    His next test (which he'll probably fail ) will be in the House consideration of SHAMnesty 2.0... aka the Senate Immigration bill that 14 Repubics voted for (including some Tea Party Repubics who I will have a real hard time supporting in the future. But that discussion is worthy of another OP ) .
  • Jun 28, 2013, 05:50 PM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    never did have 'allegiance to the Repubic party. I identify with conservatisms, and where the Repubics act like conservatives I support them,and when they don't I oppose.
    Speaker Bonehead has been as much a part of the purge the Tea Party as the Democrats .

    His next test (which he'll probably fail ) will be in the House consideration of SHAMnesty 2.0 ...aka the Senate Immigration bill that 14 Repubics voted for (including some Tea Party Repubics who I will have a real hard time supporting in the future. But that discussion is worthy of another OP ) .

    Ah, so you see Tea Party as conservatives rather than radicals. I think the reform of immigration is just a recognition of reality. It would make a real didn't in your economy to round these people up and send them home but you do need to have people come in an orderly manner. We have similar problems, we don't mind refugees who arrive in an orderly manner but these economic migrants who just tax our resources are a pest or a plague
  • Jun 29, 2013, 03:01 AM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    Ah, so you see Tea Party as conservatives rather than radicals. I think the reform of immigration is just a recognition of reality. It would make a real dint in your economy to round these people up and send them home but you do need to have people come in an orderly manner. We have similar problems, we don't mind refugees who arrive in an orderly manner but these economic migrants who just tax our resources are a pest or a plague

    The people behind this are looking for a cheap source of labor . Ironically this is the same group that complains about outsourcing jobs because of the labor rates overseas.
    What they are also not telling us is that under Obamacare, businesses with over 50 workers that employ American citizens without offering them qualifying health insurance could be subject to fines of up to $3,000 per worker. But because newly legalized immigrants under the Senate bill wouldn’t be eligible for subsidies on the health care exchanges until after they become citizens(at least 13 years under the Senate bill )businesses could avoid such fines by hiring the former illegals instead ;and refuse to offer them any health insurance .

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  • Jun 29, 2013, 03:27 AM
    paraclete
    Well Tom I have been saying the same thing and you have taken umbrage at last you have seen the light
  • Jun 29, 2013, 05:58 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    Ah, so you see Tea Party as conservatives rather than radicals. I think the reform of immigration is just a recognition of reality. It would make a real dint in your economy to round these people up and send them home but you do need to have people come in an orderly manner. We have similar problems, we don't mind refugees who arrive in an orderly manner but these economic migrants who just tax our resources are a pest or a plague

    The Tea Party is not a bunch of radicals, you have bought into the myth.
  • Jun 29, 2013, 06:54 AM
    NeedKarma
    The Tea Party is funded by big business to be lead to do big business' bidding.
  • Jun 29, 2013, 07:07 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    The Tea Party is funded by big business to be lead to do big business' bidding.

    That's a lie. There isn't even a central organization to fund or operate from and no two groups are exactly alike except in their common goal of low taxes, smaller government and constitutional fidelity.
  • Jun 29, 2013, 07:19 AM
    excon
    Quote:

    smaller government
    Hello again, Steve:

    Let's talk about your "small"government.. First off, you want a pregnancy COP to monitor every pregnancy that happens in this great nation of ours, to INSURE what the GOVERNMENT wants to happen to the girl, is what happens to her... You want to strap her down and shove a thing way up inside her if she wants to seek her LEGAL remedies...

    That's going to take a BIG, unbelievably LARGE government to do..

    Then you got the NSA who you think should be BIGGER, and look DEEPER into American lives... That too, is going to take a HUGE, unbelievably LARGE government to get done... So, let's get rid of THAT plank right off the top..

    And, since we're PROTECTED from those kind of searches BY the Constitution, we can sh1tcan that plank too. I'll concede that the Tea Party wants lower taxes.

    Excon
  • Jun 29, 2013, 08:13 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, Steve:

    Let's talk about your "small"government.. First off, you want a pregnancy COP to monitor each and every pregnancy that happens in this great nation of ours, to INSURE what the GOVERNMENT wants to happen to the girl, is what happens to her... You wanna strap her down and shove a thing way up inside her if she wants to seek her LEGAL remedies...

    That's gonna take a BIG, unbelievably LARGE government to do..

    Then you got the NSA who you think should be BIGGER, and look DEEPER into American lives... That too, is gonna take a HUGE, unbelievably LARGE government to get done... So, let's get rid of THAT plank right off the top..

    And, since we're PROTECTED from those kind of searches BY the Constitution, we can sh1tcan that plank too. I'll concede that the Tea Party wants lower taxes.

    excon

    Wow, not even close. You should just ask instead of speaking for me.
  • Jun 29, 2013, 01:00 PM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    That's a lie.
    Nope:

    Tea Party Funding Koch Brothers Emerge From Anonymity - Peter Fenn (usnews.com)

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/29/op...rich.html?_r=0

    Big Tobacco's Tea Party Ties Exposed | Politics News | Rolling Stone

    The Tea Party movement: deluded and inspired by billionaires | George Monbiot | Comment is free | The Guardian

    Who's Raising Money For Tea Party Movement? : NPR
  • Jun 29, 2013, 01:30 PM
    talaniman
    LOL, the TParty is as corrupt and dysfunctional as the rest of us. What a scandal.
  • Jun 30, 2013, 04:14 AM
    Tuttyd
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    That's a lie. There isn't even a central organization to fund or operate from and no two groups are exactly alike except in their common goal of low taxes, smaller government and constitutional fidelity.

    You are only considering the internal representation of these groups. Not the political mechanism whereby such group interest is realized.
  • Jun 30, 2013, 05:15 AM
    talaniman
    Money rules the TParty like it does any other organization in the country. Even if its SECRET money.
  • Jun 30, 2013, 05:42 AM
    tomder55
    There is no "organization " called "the Tea Party" . They are individual local organizations . In some cases organizations like 'Tea Party Patriots ' and others have received corporate donations no doubt . But they do NOT represent the vast majority of the organizations . There were about 115 of them targeted by the IRS . Why would so many be needed if they were the product of a central organizing foundation ? Even the vast web of Soros controlled groups don't number that many
  • Jun 30, 2013, 06:27 AM
    talaniman
    Well somebody besides Sarah Palin is using them as a national organization and feeding the locals money and advice, and lawyers. This idea they shouldn't be investigated is ridiculous.

    Trust but verify.
  • Jun 30, 2013, 06:50 AM
    tomder55
    They weren't investigated.. Not even close . They were targeted for the purpose of intentionally stalling their applications ,for the purpose of blunting their impact on the 2012 election . That is an undeniable real case of a systematic campaign of voter suppression by the party in power.
  • Jun 30, 2013, 07:16 AM
    excon
    Hello again, tom:
    Quote:

    That is an undeniable real case of a systematic campaign of voter suppression by the party in power.
    That WOULD be so, IF it happened. Unfortunately for you and Darrel Issa, you can't PROVE that it did. Until then, you're flapping your gums.

    Yawwwwwn.

    Excon
  • Jun 30, 2013, 07:49 AM
    talaniman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    They weren't investigated .. Not even close . They were targeted for the purpose of intentionally stalling their applications ,for the purpose of blunting their impact on the 2012 election . That is an undeniable real case of a systematic campaign of voter suppression by the party in power.

    That's what Issa said and now looks foolish since he hasn't proved he was right, and actual evidence proves he was wrong so far. We know you guys never quit hollering your victimhood, while you victimize, though.

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