I read it after you posted it.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Progress? I always have believed that and have helped counseling clients figure out a better way.
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I read it after you posted it.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Progress? I always have believed that and have helped counseling clients figure out a better way.
You've always believed that abortion is a violation of God's law? Huh. I would never have thought considering past remarks you've made. Just in the past two days you made the ones below. They are scarcely a stalwart, highly principled defense of the rights of unborn children to be born and not killed by abortion. You did, of course, state that you were against abortion, and yet months ago you claimed I was MISTAKEN for opposing abortion. So you seem to be terribly confused about the subject.
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And what will happen to all those unwanted babies that will get born?
And guess how many babies are languishing, waiting to be adopted. Heck, let's add hundreds more to that number. The demand right now is NOT enormous.
Why is there a fetus?
How did the woman conceive? Was she raped? Is she happily married - or not? Did she give consent to intercourse? How old is she?
Because you wash your hands of the situation and give no financial or moral support to a female who wants or needs an abortion.
How many women/teen girls/molested girls have you counseled and/or helped financially?
What if tests show the fetus has no head? Or limbs? or is dead?
So a 12-year-old girl who was raped and made pregnant by her uncle must carry that baby for nine months and then deliver it. Of course!!!
Says the person who wants others to believe she is against abortion because it violates God's law against murder.
If that girl is your granddaughter, what would you advise?Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Asks the person who really thinks others will believe that she is against abortion.Quote:
If that girl is your granddaughter, what would you advise?
I would advise her not to have her unborn child murdered. It's the same advice I would give her if she had a newborn that was a problem for her. The reason is that I actually take the fifth/sixth commandment seriously. It's not just lip service for a message board. If you are genuinely against abortion, your posts should reflect that.
So you would allow, even encourage, your granddaughter, who probably doesn't even understand how she got pregnant and even all the ramifications of pregnancy, and that she has nearly nine months of possible physical and emotional misery ahead of her, to drop out of school meanwhile and look foward to having a cute little baby.
Yeah. You’re the person is who is against abortion. Right.
My granddaughter would have great physical and emotional support. She would be able to live the rest of her life with a clean conscience. And she would be encouraged not engage in the use of cheap, meaningless cliches.
I'm asking YOU, sweetie, to make sure you know what tortures you may create for loved ones. Since you've never been female and unwillingly pregnant, especially at 12 in an undeveloped body, apparently obeying an OT commandment is more important to you than showing Christ's love.
The usual excuses for you. It never ends.
The same avoidance for you. It never ends. You'd rather be punitive and obey a commandment instead of reflecting and reaching out with God's wondrous love.
So you appeal to God's wondrous love to justify the brutal killing of an innocent child? To you, it's all done because of the love of Jesus? It can evidently excuse any perverse desire of yours.
I avoid nothing. I am opposed to abortion and I am consistent in that belief. You do what is convenient and you are consistent in that belief as well.
If you want to endorse abortion, then be honest enough to just come out with it. Everyone knows where you stand anyway.
I will pray for you.
You justify an abortion by appealing to Gods love. Wow. I will pray for you as well.
I did not!
Your reading comprehension is slipping badly.
That's exactly what you did, and now you want to deny it.
It's pretty clear. Just go ahead and end the baby's life because of Christ's love.Quote:
obeying an OT commandment is more important to you than showing Christ's love.
Now if that was not your intended meaning, then here's your opportunity to clear up the misunderstanding. What did you mean to say?
Which is more important: that unwanted baby created by force and lust or the mental and physical health of the young girl who was raped and every day for nine months (and more) is reminded of that? The OT commandments were rewritten by Jesus' love and sacrifice in the NT and are now our guides in life, not "have to"s.
Perhaps you can tell me what could ever be more important than the life of that baby. The fact that, in your view, it is "unwanted" is appalling to me. And the idea that you would justify the killing of that baby by appealing to the love of Jesus just shows how little you understand His love. Just tragic.Quote:
Which is more important: that unwanted baby
What you are doing is typical of how the pro-abortion crowd tries to frame the issue. You find a 1/10,000 case and suggest that a baby from rape could never be wanted and is thus available for killing. It is their desperate effort to make a pro-death position seem noble. It fails always.
You should be very careful. The day might very well come when you are unwanted. Then what?
A product of rape? A 12-year-old girl who has to drop out of school for at least a year, throughout her life remembering the terrors of the rape, and whose immature body struggles with that thing growing inside her and robbing her of nutrients.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Genesis 2:7 (KJV): And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Until that fetus takes its first breath, it is not a living soul.
Your dishonesty is just shocking, You are making a factual appeal to what is, for you, a work of fiction. It doesn't get much worse than that. And that has been shown to you repeatedly. You just have no interest in being honest, and this shows how empty your thinking is. Even worse, the comparison is not valid to begin with since Adam was never in his mother's womb. It's an argument with absolutely no merit.Quote:
Genesis 2:7 (KJV): And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Until that fetus takes its first breath, it is not a living soul.
So if the baby is carried to term and born, is it still worthless and unwanted to you?Quote:
A product of rape?
Look at your language. "...whose immature body struggles with that thing growing inside of her, robbing her of nutrients." So it's a thing to you, and a thief that robs its mother of nutrients? Well, I guess that makes you feel a little less uncaring. The best advice to give that girl is for her to do what she can be proud of in ten years. Killing an innocent life is just not a solution at all.
This is the great difference between the two of us. I value human life, born or unborn. All human life is of great value having been made in God's image. You are a great advertisement for the pro-life cause.
Wondergirl's "thing" at twenty weeks. A worthless thief??
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Is it breathing?
With all your contacts, find a few teen or pre-teen girls who've been molested, raped, and made pregnant. Have an honest chat with them.
Yes, a "worthless thief" if it's inside your abdominal cavity, screwing up your hormones and daily functioning. Your schooling gets grossly delayed, your friends desert you, you fall apart mentally and physically.
Please stop with the dishonesty.Quote:
Is it breathing?
Well, that pretty well sums up your view. All unborn children are mere "things" and worthless thieves.Quote:
Yes, a "worthless thief" if it's inside your abdominal cavity,
In my experience, if I let a person talk long enough, the truth will come out. It certainly happened here.
Here's one for you. She was not advised to get rid of the worthless thief in her abdomen.
Women who conceived through rape: 'My baby was part of my healing' (liveaction.org)
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It is often assumed that a woman who conceives a child in rape will want to abort that child, or if she gives birth, will regret doing so because the child will be a “reminder” of her rape. But according to many women in this situation, that isn’t the case; most don’t regret having given birth to their children.
Christina, pregnant by rape, went to Planned Parenthood. She says workers there urged her to abort, but instead she had her baby. She writes:
Had I listened to PP, I would have ended the life of a spectacular human being…. She played softball from kindergarten to college. She was the athlete of the year, her senior year of high school.
She grew up to get married … She has given us 2 beautiful grandchildren…. She is a police officer now…. I cannot imagine the void there would have been without her.
Was she 12 when raped and made pregnant?
Sorry WG, but you're toast after this. "Yes, a "worthless thief" if it's inside your abdominal cavity." Your noble counselor effort has failed mightily. You would want a pregnant woman to say, "This worthless thing of a thief inside my abdominal cavity is at five months now."
It's over. That's the most cold-hearted comment I've heard in a long time. Your effort to hide behind love is done since the truth about your feelings is quite evident. I actually find it hard to imagine that any person could have such a belief. I can only hope you correct yourself.
Worth repeating. "In my experience, if I let a person talk long enough, the truth will come out. It certainly happened here."
You misquoted me. Always cherry picking arntcha. The topic was a 12 yo girl who was raped.
I quoted you exactly. Toast.
You cherry-picked to make me look bad. YOU first used "worthless thief". I merely subsequently quoted your use of that term you spit out in post 62.
Nope. They were your words. Now you regret it, or at least I hope you do. It was a sick comment. You did a perfectly adequate job of making yourself look extremely bad.
Please tell me in which post I used that term. (Note your use of the term in posts 61 and 62.)
Worthless thief in 63. Thing in 60.
No doubt you will blame it on someone else. That is your usual practice.
You are guilty!!!! I was quoting you!
Has your primary doctor given you a cognitive test lately? If not, please ask for that to be done.
More whining and lying. You said, "Yes, a "worthless thief" if it's inside your abdominal cavity." It is your thought and you have to own it. And that was after saying, "...whose immature body struggles with that thing growing inside her and robbing her of nutrients." So it's all yours. First you make an outrageous statement, and then you are too cowardly to own up to it. Just pitiful. And I even tried to give you a chance to back out of it. "Look at your language. '...whose immature body struggles with that thing growing inside of her, robbing her of nutrients.' So it's a thing to you, and a thief that robs its mother of nutrients?" You could have cleaned up the mess right there, but you didn't because you liked what you said.
See if you can find someone else to try this craziness with. It gets old in a hurry.
Toast is toast.
I'm finished. Goodbye.
Might as well. It seems to be what you typically do when you are stuck in a corner. And I assure you this appalling statement will not be soon forgotten. It's still shocking to read.
You really should have simply clarified your meaning, but you chose not to. Too bad. I sincerely hope you don't really feel that way.Quote:
Yes, a "worthless thief" if it's inside your abdominal cavity,
I was quoting YOU!!!
I posed, very clearly as a question, this. "A worthless thief??" It had an accompanying pic. You replied in the affirmative. "Yes, a 'worthless thief' if it's inside your abdominal cavity."
So you are being completely dishonest, WG. You made a horrible comment. I would suggest that you make haste in correcting it unless, of course, you honestly view it in the way YOU described, a "thing" and a "worthless thief". And "thief", of course, came from your description of that "thing" that women carry as one who is "robbing her". That is what thieves do.
I quoted you regarding "worthless thief".
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