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I said long ago in this thread that nothing was done to prepare for that onslaught of illegal immigrants. And yes, effective measures could have been taken -- and were even talked about by government officials -- but, like too many other times, nothing was done.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
So you’re saying that lack of preparedness was Biden’s responsibility?
Trump's too.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
And what has Biden done to correct that mistake? For that matter, what do you suggest?
Trump didn't correct his own mistakes regarding the wall and how to achieve legal immigration. Trump could have been the inspiration and set the pace for Biden and administrations that followed.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
What I suggest is in Post #6.
Checkpoints and drones are already being used and restaurants and temp housing will only serve to attract more illegals. What do you suggest that would actually work against this flood of illegals? And why did you leave Biden out of your criticism?
I did not leave Biden out!!! Please read my Post #43.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
What would work would be giving financial aid and hands-on help to struggling countries so their citizens will want live out their lives in those countries.
In post 45 you predictably reserved all of your criticism for Trump. It's your pattern. And your scathing criticism of Biden in post 43 was, "Trump's too." Gosh. I hope you didn't blow a gasket!!
Where will the money come from to help these struggling nations? We are presently 33 trillion in debt and still running enormous deficits, and yet you propose more new spending?
Complete the wall. There is no other solution. It will eliminate the vast majority of illegal immigration and prevent most of the fentanyl importation and human trafficking, both of which are tragedies we must address and which restaurants and temp housing will do nothing to stop.
In post 45 you predictably reserved all of your criticism for Trump.
Nope. I answered "Trump's too." Note the operant adverb, TOO. That includes Biden, who is mentioned in your post.
We wouldn't be in such huge debt had we done it right from the get-go. We might even be making money!Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Forget the wall. It's too late.
Yeah, that was really a powerful rebuke. You managed to be critical of Biden without even mentioning his name. I hope it didn't exhaust you.Quote:
Nope. I answered "Trump's too." Note the operant adverb, TOO. That includes Biden, who is mentioned in your post.
Being stupid in the past is no excuse for continuing to be stupid in the present.Quote:
We wouldn't be in such huge debt had we done it right from the get-go. We might even be making money!
It's the only answer, especially in comparison to little restaurants and temp housing.Quote:
Forget the wall. It's too late.
I'm so sorry you weren't able to understand "Trump's too" as including Biden.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
The entire situation would now be different had we been smarter in the beginning.Quote:
Being stupid in the past is no excuse for continuing to be stupid in the present.
Nope, you don't understand the logic at all.Quote:
It's the only answer, especially in comparison to little restaurants and temp housing.
There was no logic to understand. Building restaurants will do nothing to stop illegal immigration.
Your scathing, merciless criticism of Biden has been noted. [SARC]
I said, "Many more government checkpoints should have been strung along the southern border. Temporary housing, small restaurants, and social services should have been set up. Maybe drones flying overhead too?"Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Biden is too old to be reelected and run the country. Same with Trump. Neither of them has any worthwhile ideas. Nor can either one express himself coherently.Quote:
Your scathing, merciless criticism of Biden has been noted. [SARC]
We already have many checkpoints and already use drones. Housing and "small restaurants" are useless against illegal immigration, so I don't think there is any logic to be found there.Quote:
I said, "Many more government checkpoints should have been strung along the southern border. Temporary housing, small restaurants, and social services should have been set up. Maybe drones flying overhead too?"
As to your second post, it's fascinating that you can't bring yourself to say anything critical of Biden without having to also mention Trump. Still, your assessment of Biden was entirely correct.
Trump's idea of a wall needs to be instituted immediately.
All of Trump's ideas need to be deep-sixed.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Trump's big mouth should be deep-sixed. His ideas, like the wall, were frequently quite good. Some of them resulted in the lowest minority and female unemployment numbers in history and got rid of the poorly decided Roe vs. Wade abortion decision.
The wall wasn't Trump's idea. Sections had already been built long before he showed up on the scene. And why didn't he finish it?
And that wall would have gone through protected wetlands, private property, and state/federal parks. It never would have been finished.
A relatively small section had been built, but the idea of building a substantial wall across our southern border was definitely Trump's idea. He should certainly have finished it.Quote:
The wall wasn't Trump's idea. Sections had already been built long before he showed up on the scene. And why didn't he finish it?
80% finished would be much better than what we have now.Quote:
And that wall would have gone through protected wetlands, private property, and state/federal parks. It never would have been finished.
Nope. The 20% would have been open doors. It would become common knowledge and where immigrants would travel to.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Most people can figure out that protecting a 200 mile border is far easier than protecting a 1,000 mile border. And that's even assuming that there are parts of the border which cannot be walled. I doubt that is true.
You mean kind of like the ENTIRE BORDER is now???Quote:
It would become common knowledge and where immigrants would travel to.
I have not had the opportunity to read a book that was written in 1973 by French author Jean Raspail .......The Camp of Saints (English translation ) The title is inspired by the Book of Revelations 20 7-9 . It is a dystopian novel about how a wave of illegal immigration overwhelms Europe. The book is out of circulation and carries a very hefty price tag.
Critics of the book use the same cliches that are used to condemn anyone who wants border control. But the wave of illegals into this country and Europe has created the political rise of Trump ;and more recently Geert Wilders in Holland .
Dutch election: Geert Wilders records massive shock win in Netherlands | AP News
Compliant press around the globe label them as racist; xenophobe; anti Muslim; nativists.... yada yada yada . What they want to preserve is national identity; culture; sovereignty; and borders
You answer your own question . Progress on the wall was tied up in court battles. Clueless Joe has decided to violate all the red tape to build just one small section . I doubt that will get done .Quote:
And why didn't he finish it?
And that wall would have gone through protected wetlands, private property, and state/federal parks. It never would have been finished.
That's a really interesting thought. Surely we have the right to guard our borders and be selective about who is allowed to enter in the same way that any homeowner can select who can come in, who can stay for a short time to do a specific job, who can stay the night, or who can stay permanently as a member of the family. My children have rights in my home that other children do not have.Quote:
What they want to preserve is national identity; culture; sovereignty; and borders.
Do we, as a nation, have the right to demand of immigrants that they accept our collective ideals? Do we even have a set of collective ideals? Are there any core values that we can say define our national identity?
I'm all for the legal immigration of Latinos. They work hard and appreciate the opportunity to become successful. But to have our current insane situation of a basically open border allowing whoever to come in bringing whatever with them should be viewed as a national security crisis.
The rationale used to be melting pot here. In Europe there was clear distinct identities until they came up with that Euro vision of the continent .
Do we have the right to demand integration ? Absolutely ! If I was to emigrate to another nation I would do my best to adopt customs and language . I would not expect them to accomodate mine .
The rationale used to be melting pot here. In Europe there was clear distinct identities until they came up with that Euro vision of the continent .
Do we have the right to demand integration ? Absolutely ! If I was to emigrate to another nation I would do my best to adopt customs and language . I would not expect them to accomodate mine .
Language is an easy one and I agree with you on that. Customs? I'm not sure how many customs we have left that could be called core ideals. Democracy? Representative republic? It's hard to settle on them.Quote:
Absolutely ! If I was to emigrate to another nation I would do my best to adopt customs and language
I look for assimilation with all that entails .
The hordes of invaders ;many of whom have no intention to assimilate has and will overwhelm out ability to absorb them .
I keep going back to the Cloward -Piven strategy(aka “crisis strategy” aka the “flood the zone-bankrupt-the-cities strategy”), .
The Weight of the Poor: A Strategy to End Poverty | The Nation
public_comment_steve_mikowski_02162021.pdf (leelanau.gov)
The Radical Imagination | Imagining Radical Implementation - The Cloward/Piven Model - YouTube
Cloward and Piven were a married couple ; professors at the Columbia University School of Social Work, who were disciples along with the emperor and Evita Clintoon of Saul Alinksy and his 'Rules for Radicals' . In his book Alinsky wrote to make your enemies live up to their own rules. He predicted that when every law and statute, every Judeo-Christian moral tenet, and every promise of the social contract were attempted to be honored ;our institutions would fail .
The plan is overloading the government bureaucracy with a torrent of impossible demands When those are not met, political turmoil results, leading to economic collapse.... the fall of capitalism ...and the imposition of Marxist socialism with programs like guaranteed universal income .
This invasion ;the undermining and defunding of law enforcement ;the increased demands for non-transparent voting ;Clueless Joe's gimmee's are not accidents. It is a plan being orchestrated by the radical left and their patsies in the progressive movement ,and funded by the likes of George Soros.
That one is puzzling. I would think it would be a good thing to honor every law and statute as long, of course, as the laws are reasonable and good. And if we were to genuinely honor the moral tenets of the Bible, then we would live in a country where federal budgets would be balanced, the traditional one man/one woman family structure would once again be the norm, and the "pay to not work" welfare system would cease, so I'm at a loss to see how that would cause our institutions to fail.Quote:
He predicted that when every law and statute, every Judeo-Christian moral tenet, and every promise of the social contract were attempted to be honored ;our institutions would fail .
As to your final two paragraphs, I would say they are unquestionably true.
These are people who don't believe in Christianity . It is antithetical to Marxists who's goal is creating utopia on earth.
This is a global effort Taking down the top capitalist nation is the coup de gras
Klaus Schwab on Reimagining Capitalism to Better Economy | TIME
It's called the Great Reset and the there are many powerful people on board .
The Great Reset: How to Build a Better World Post-COVID-19 | TIME
The real enemy is to ignore laws and violate the moral tenets of the Bible. That would certainly lead to the social chaos which is the birthplace of Marxist movements.
I think we would be wise to promote free enterprise rather than capitalism. And I realize they are not exactly the same, but it's close enough. Most people no longer know what capitalism is and, even worse, have a corrupted idea of the meaning of the term. Free enterprise still seems to have a moral and economic purity to it in the minds of most people, perhaps because of the "free" (freedom) aspect of it. At any rate, when free enterprise is flourishing, then capitalism is as well.
yes Adam Smith got it right
It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker, that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own interest. We address ourselves, not to their humanity but to their self-love, and never talk to them of our own necessities but of their advantages.
It is their so called "greed " that provides us with the items we need or want.
Smith said even beggars go to the market to buy or barter for what they want or need
Nobody but a beggar chuses to depend chiefly upon the benevolence of his fellow-citizens. Even a beggar does not depend upon it entirely. The charity of well-disposed people, indeed, supplies him with the whole fund of his subsistence. But though this principle ultimately provides him with all the necessaries of life which he has occasion for, it neither does nor can provide him with them as he has occasion for them. The greater part of his occasional wants are supplied in the same manner as those of other people, by treaty, by barter, and by purchase. With the money which one man gives him he purchases food. The old cloaths which another bestows upon him he exchanges for other old cloaths which suit him better, or for lodging, or for food, or for money, with which he can buy either food, cloaths, or lodging, as he has occasion
The difference is that the beggars now live in apartments with central heat and air, use government funds to eat in restaurants, and watch cable television.
so how did Finland deal wiith illegals crossing their border from Russia ?
Finland to close entire Russian border after migrant surge (bbc.com)
Russia was surging invaders to the Finland border after they joined NATO . The immigrants were a pawn in Putin's game and the Fins would have none of it .
Plainly a bunch of racists. How dare the Finns think they have some sort of sovereign right to control who enters their country!!
Many of them in police stations, and are using cots or sleeping bags for beds.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
OR they're living in tents put up in parking lots and on city sidewalks.
Homeless people now largely are either addicts, mentally ill, or those who just prefer to be homeless. It's certainly not true of all, but it does seem to be true of most.
Chicago bused in many migrants from NYC. They are living in police stations and in tents in parking lots and even on sidewalks.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Every day the Chicago newspapers have a positive story or two about them.
We could advertise in Mexico, “Come to America, set up a tent in a parking lot, and be homeless.”
We’ve lost our minds.
They're gradually getting housing, etc. We're sending the crabby ones to Mississippi etc. where it's warm.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
You're not sending anyone anywhere. You don't tell them what to do. They are clearly making their own choices, beginning with being in this country illegally.
The Chicago mayor does not seem to agree with your rosy assessment of the situation. He's blaming it all on Lightfoot.
We should all be thankful that Chitown has such good control over the situation. [sarc] At any rate, taxpayers will be called upon to shoulder the burden created by a wide-open southern border under the inept "leadership" of the Biden admin.Quote:
Chicago Mayor Brandon Johnson said he "inherited" the Windy City’s migrant crisis from his predecessor, former Mayor Lori Lightfoot, during a press conference touting construction of the city’s first government-run migrant tent encampment.
At least 20,000 migrants have poured into Chicago since August 2022, when many migrants were bused from the southern border states to liberal cities farther north. Efforts have been underway to strip Chicago of its sanctuary city status as some residents sound off about the issue.
In addition to the influx of migrants who lack shelter, an estimated 68,000 Chicago citizens are considered homeless, Fox News Digital reported earlier this month.
BTW, friend of mine helped bury a 30 year old young man yesterday. Cause of death? Fentanyl, the drug that WG seems completely unconcerned about.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/chi...isis-inherited
Chicago and suburban churches are now getting into the housing etc. situation. A hospital in a suburb east of me closed earlier this year and is being considered as a remake to be an apartment building for migrants.
This thread is about sanctuary cities. Please start a new thread about fentanyl.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
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