CB is correct. The statement about animals and birds is silliness.
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CB is correct. The statement about animals and birds is silliness.
Here's one source --
https://nextgenpaws.pet/blogs/news/1...he-human-world
Google the words, gay animals.
Gay animals are nothing new and has been known about for many years, that isn't what you were referring to at all.
You missed the amphibians that can spontaneously change sex to ensure continuation of the species, these, however, are not members of the Alphabet mafia, nor even close.
Either way there's still a very clear binary there, even homosexuality is a binary...
There is NO third, or higher numbers, sex or gender.
Yes there is a clear biological reason for some species. For humans however it is clear cut .,,,,,. male and female The 1% variations is Abby Normal .
Completely missing in this "source" is even one example of a species where the males routinely have sex with the other males. And in the cases of males that become females (or vice versa), the individuals actually develop naturally (sans surgery) the functional genitals of the opposite sex so as to be able to operate in that way. That is not even close to Lia Thomas or other TG "men", so we can see that your supposed source did not have a single example of a species that supported the LGBTQ agenda. There was not even one.Quote:
Here's one source --
https://nextgenpaws.pet/blogs/news/1...he-human-world
Google the words, gay animals.
Young Frankenstein!!Quote:
The 1% variations is Abby Normal .
yes or 'when humans play God '
I'll introduce you to them in heaven. There are undoubtedly at least a few in your family tree.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
my family tree is loaded with Italian Stallions
Now I understand where you are coming from. You seem to be Religiously Confused. You should know that religion is a haven for confusion and misunderstanding.Quote:
What religious studies have so confused you, waltero?
It’s Jesus that’s the real point of contention. What He says seems at odds with our common thinking and reality. Jesus only baffles ones who weren’t meant to understand. He said many times “Your father satan.” They were not of G-d. G-d is not the author of confusion. That’s the other jacker dude.
Even your idea of life doesn't jive with Mother Nature. Is it better to try to work with, rather than against, Mother Nature? "why this - why that???" These are words coming from the lips of somebody who is living a life of confusion... you continue to make it up as you go. "God is not the author of confusion".
Mother Nature knows what she is doing.
Actually, Jesus never said that. He did on one occasion say, "ye are of your father the devil." That does not amount to "many times". Does that place you among the "baffled", and among those living a "life of confusion"?Quote:
He said many times “Your father satan.”
Could be.Quote:
Does that place you among the "baffled", and among those living a "life of confusion"?
I know the scriptures as the living Word that brings life. I also know you are missing out. You can verse it any way you like. There are over 100 Bible verses about children of the Devil. Those Words (that you know so well) on a page must come alive in you. If you only know the author who wrote, just words on a page, without knowing the power of the word...you will be missing out. Do not rely on your own understanding.
The Word became flesh and lived among us.
This is the kind of statement that gets you in trouble. Rather than there being "over 100", there is actually precisely one. It's found in 1 John. "In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother." And that was after I checked in six different major translations. You will doubtless counter by saying that you only said they were "about children of the Devil". That allows you to throw in all kinds of verses regardless of how little they might actually pertain to it. It still comes back to a simple truth. You don't know what you're talking about.Quote:
There are over 100 Bible verses about children of the Devil.
You don't know much about the Bible. Rather than simply admitting that, you try to act spiritual and suggest the problem lies with someone else. You need to discipline yourself to read your Bible and become intimately familiar with it. "Study to show yourself approved, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." When a person refuses to do that, then he runs the risk of appearing to be nothing more than a spiritual blowhard.
Now yes, that's not the end of it. Jesus the living word must richly dwell in our hearts. But even though it's not the end of it, it is certainly necessary, and it is something that is sadly missing in your life. And rather than contend against that, you would be much better served to acknowledge the truth and correct your problem.
One thing I do know, that you don't, that is true; Its the living Word.Quote:
You don't know much about the Bible.
You are willing and able to argue the Bible. If that is your lot in life so be it.
When I read the Bible, a Word might pop out of the page. At that point, I might gain some awareness and or understanding. During the course of my life, I might run across that same verse and gain a different or better understanding...it doesn't nullify the first lesson (the first time it popped off the page...I'm sure It won't be the last. Sometimes when reading the Scripture it is as if I am reading it for the first time).
Long ago I mentioned that Jesus never taught about the Love of God in Public. Whenever He mentioned the love of God it was when he was alone with his disciples. And I went further. I had mentioned that you will not see the Apostles preaching the love of God in the setting up of the Church (Book of Acts).
You, yourself read through the Book of Acts a couple of times and did not see it, being mentioned, either. But In Support of your understanding of John 3:16, you simply said "It might have not been mentioned but it was inferred." end of story.You simply do not know the word as a Living word. Every time a Christian mentions the Word (simple words on a page) It is not a one-time deal...it is life in the Word. "You Brood of Vipers." "The field is the world, and the good seed is the sons of the kingdom. The weeds are the sons of the evil one." “You son of the devil, you enemy of all righteousness, full of all deceit and villainy, will you not stop making crooked the straight paths of the Lord?" Do you have any idea of what this is - "I speak of what I have seen with my Father, and you do what you have heard from your father.” The Devil knows the Word, he has heard the Word...He has finally seen the Word...have you seen the Word or are you simply hearing the Word? The Word is to be seen not heard.Quote:
Rather than there being "over 100", there is actually precisely one.
I'm not going to get into it with you being that you are ignorant of the fact that The Bible is the living Word of God. The Bible is the living Word that became Flesh.
You simply returned to this thread in an attempt to aid in the defence of your friend. Therefore - You do not have the Word at heart.
I am not defending anyone. I am simply pointing out that you don't know what you're talking about. Rather than admitting that and addressing it as a problem in your life, you instead choose to continue in the arrogant path you have chosen. So rather than admit that, no, there are not more than a hundred references to the children of the devil, or that there are not "many" mentions of "your father satan", you instead load up with what amounts to spiritual sounding nonsense.
I'm not going to get into it with you being that you are ignorant of the fact that The Bible is the living Word of God. The Bible is the living Word that became Flesh.
The Word is to be seen not heard.
Is this too spiritual for you? Or could it simply be a case of - you don't know what it is I'm talking about?
Think About it.
Not really. You have misunderstood that passage.Quote:
The Bible is the living Word that became Flesh.
Even worse, YOU don't know what it is you're talking about.Quote:
you don't know what it is I'm talking about?
It is difficult to imagine a more unbiblical comment that could be made. Why do you think we are commanded to "preach the word" ?In Romans we read, "And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher?" Jesus himself commanded us to, "go into all the world and preach the Gospel." Where do you get these ideas from?Quote:
The Word is to be seen not heard.
Did he really? I got news for you - "He said it to them"(The Eleven).Quote:
Jesus himself commanded us to, "go into all the world and preach the Gospel.
Jesus even rebuked them (before he said it) for their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they did not believe those who had seen. Seen what? Seen what???
If you haven't noticed, the Church is in dire straits. They are hurting, running amuck. Do you think it might have anything to do with too many Preachers Preaching and never seeing and believing?
If the Bible is not the living Word then you might want to ask yourself - what is it you believe in? Where does your hope rest? What are the words that come out of your mouth, who do they belong to? They are not your Words. They don't belong to you.
The Word in no way shape or form is alive in you. How can it be, if the Word you are reading and preaching is not living? If it is not living then it is dead. And we all know Jesus Lives and so does his Word.
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Originally Posted by waltero
- The Great Commission is the foundation for evangelism [the mission work of teaching the Gospel] in Christian theology.
- The Great Commission appears in Matthew 28:16-20; Mark 16:15–18; Luke 24:44-49; John 20:19-23; and Acts 1:8.
- Springing from the heart of God, the Great Commission calls Christ's disciples [and we are also His disciples] to carry out the work God started by sending his Son into the world to die for lost sinners.
- https://www.learnreligions.com/what-...mission-700702
Jesus on the cross, blood on His head and body -- from beatings and a spear thrust to make sure He was dead, blood on his brow from the crown of thorns. The empty tomb. The disciples didn't even believe Jesus had risen until He showed up where they were hiding.Quote:
Originally Posted by waltero
Please give details about the Church being in dire straits.Quote:
If you haven't noticed, the Church is in dire straits. They are hurting, running amuck. Do you think it might have anything to do with too many Preachers Preaching and never seeing and believing?
Micah 6:8Quote:
If the Bible is not the living Word then you might want to ask yourself - what is it you believe in? Where does your hope rest? What are the words that come out of your mouth, who do they belong to? They are not your Words. They don't belong to you.
Jesus is the Living Word of God, and my faith is in Him, but the Bible is not Jesus. When I hold the Bible in my hand, I am not holding Jesus. If my Bible burns up in a housefire, Jesus has not burned up. When Jesus was crucified, it was not the Bible that was crucified. For that matter, when Jesus lived and walked the earth, much of the Bible (the NT) did not yet exist. You are completely confused.Quote:
If the Bible is not the living Word then you might want to ask yourself - what is it you believe in?
Sadly, you are trying to excuse your lack of knowledge of the Bible by pointing the finger at others. If you really believed Jesus is the Bible, then you would read it nonstop. Clearly you don't, so I'd suggest you point that finger at yourself first. You don't even believe this mistaken idea you are proclaiming.
I will ask this again. If The Word is to be seen not heard, as you claim, then why is there such an emphasis in the NT on preaching the Word? Why would Paul have said, "I am eager to preach the gospel to you also who are in Rome." Why did he say, "that is, the word of faith which we are preaching?" He wrote, "Now I make known to you, brethren, the gospel which I preached to you." He claimed, "But when God, who had set me apart even from my mother’s womb and called me through His grace, was pleased 16 to reveal His Son in me so that I might preach Him among the Gentiles." He told Timothy, "Preach the word, in season and out of season." Peter said, "But the word of the Lord endures forever.” And this is the word which was preached to you." And there are MANY other passages which tell the importance of preaching.
Your are greatly mistaken. Now do people need to see the Gospel working in the lives of people? Absolutely they do, but not at the expense of the stopping of preaching as you are calling for. Your ignorance of the Bible is showing through.
JL, Could you please just stop and listen?
This comes straight out of Scripture.
He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?” Simon Peter said, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” Jesus said to him, “Simon, son of Jonah, you are happy because you did not learn this from man. My Father in Heaven has shown you this.
And this is the life that was revealed; we have seen it
"I speak of what I have seen with my Father, and you do what you have heard from your father.”[/B]
Take this for instance. Your Father tells you - "Children are to be seen not heard." Now try to understand this - "Out of the mouth of Babes." You have two sayings; one comes from secular and the other comes from Christian. When a child speaks, as in "out of the mouths of babes, where do you think that comes from? Is the Child simply repeating something they have heard, or have they seen something?
so shall my word be that goes out from my mouth; it shall not return to me empty, but it shall accomplish that which I purpose, and shall succeed in the thing for which I sent it. For the word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved, it is the power of God. Is not my word like fire, declares the LORD, and like a hammer that breaks the rock in pieces? Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away. But Peter and John answered them, Whether it is right in the sight of God to listen to you rather than to God, you must judge, for we cannot but speak of what we have seen and heard. And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth. For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart. The lion has roared; who will not fear? The Lord GOD has spoken; who can but prophesy?” Christ Jesus is the fulfillment of God's Word, You will find God's Word in the mouths of the Prophets, Apostles, and his Sons Jesus as well as all who are in Christ...in the Word. The Disciples didn't know the Scriptures. The apostles Knew the Scriptures because they were witnesses to the fulfillment of the Scriptures. One minute (when they were Disciples) they hadn't a clue. The next minute (after the death of Christ, the Scriptures came alive in them and they knew the Word of God backward and forward. Why do you think this is? Because the Scriptures have been fulfilled. God's Word Has been spoken, it went out and returned to him...not empty-handed.
You continue to look at things as you always have. - "That is about the most unbiblical thing I have ever heard." Yes, and Jesus went about doing the most unbiblical things the Pharisees have ever witnessed. They heard his words, the problem was that they could not see!
I've heard Preachers say - My Sermon isn't going to write itself." Of course, it won't...not if you don't believe in it. It has already been written, don't you see it?
I hear you, Bro. All I've heard is you Preaching about how important it is for us to Preach. - "The Word is to be seen not heard." - I've said nothing (here) against preaching.Quote:
The Word is to be seen not heard.
"I speak of what I have seen with my Father, and you do what you have heard from your father.”[/B]
That's because your suggestion that the Word is not meant to be heard is just that...wildly unbiblical.Quote:
You continue to look at things as you always have. - "That is about the most unbiblical thing I have ever heard."
Of course you have. You claimed the word is to be seen and not heard. If that is true, then preaching would be out.Quote:
I've said nothing (here) against preaching.
I think your biggest problem is that you are careless in your statements. You claimed the Bible mentioned the children of the devil more than a hundred times. When it was pointed out that it was only one time, you just blew right past it and kept going. You also said, " But In Support of your understanding of John 3:16, you simply said 'It might have not been mentioned but it was inferred.' end of story." But that's not true. I never said that and have no idea of what you're referring to. And even now I suspect you will not admit that your statements were not correct. You will just ignore it all. The willful presenting of untrue statements is what liars do, and I don't think you want to appear to be a liar.
You listed a long collection of verses above, but they don't support your idea that the Word is to be seen but not heard. In fact, they contradict it. For instance, you posted, " for we cannot but speak of what we have seen and heard." And then there was, " God's Word Has been spoken, it went out and returned to him...not empty-handed." I'm convinced you are trying to say that the Word should be both seen AND heard and should be first seen with the eyes of the heart, but you took it too far. It's time to face that truth.
Now you do sometimes make statements that are interesting. For instance, there is this. "If you haven't noticed, the Church is in dire straits. They are hurting, running amuck. Do you think it might have anything to do with too many Preachers Preaching and never seeing and believing?" I think there are several factors at work in the church being in "dire straits", but poor, unenlightened preaching is certainly one of them.
Listen up.
Paul is not saying to all parishioners; You shall not listen when a woman speaks. But if I am doing them and you don’t believe (the words coming out of my mouth) me, believe (can you see) the works themselves.Quote:
let the women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak;
Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say.
A different perspective.Says who? Jesus said he speaks what he and his Father have seen. He also goes on to say that we speak only what we hear - we, as in we all know this to be true in us also.Quote:
You claimed the word is to be seen and not heard. If that is true, then preaching would be out.
It's not a miss if one is able to Draw from the story of Jesus and the power of his life.
It seems every time I speak It's as if I am bruising your Ego.
By all means, Preach. But you will never have the Passion of preaching until you are able to believe by seeing the living Word (Bible - from where you derive the words that you speak) come alive.
1. Seeing is done when using one's eyes.
2. Believing is done when using one's mind (brain, thinking ability) and heart.
Two separate activities that don't have to happen together.
A person can see without believing/understanding.
A person can believe/understand without seeing.
No. You're just wrong much of the time. You have no influence at all on my ego.Quote:
It seems every time I speak It's as if I am bruising your Ego.
Sadly, you proved this to be true. " And even now I suspect you will not admit that your statements were not correct. You will just ignore it all. The willful presenting of untrue statements is what liars do, and I don't think you want to appear to be a liar."
I think Walter is using the term "see" in the sense of gaining perception and clearer understanding.Quote:
A person can see without believing/understanding.
A person can believe/understand without seeing.
Like when someone says, "Oh, I see now!", meaning "Oh, I understand now!"?Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
I think so. We'll have to see what he says.
I do wish to see some honesty from Walter.
This is not at all what I am saying.Quote:
I think Walter is using the term "see" in the sense of gaining perception and clearer understanding.
Then please explain as simply as possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by waltero
I think I might have lost sight...we should always pray first.
Father, we thank you that we’re able now to turn our thoughts away from everything else and everyone else to you and to the Bible that you have given to us. We ask for your particular help that we might not do a disservice to its truth, either by our attitude or our demeanor or the words that we speak or think. Speak to us in the stillness of these moments, and be our teacher, Lord, we pray. For Jesus’ sake. Amen.
God’s Word was not given to us, ultimately, that our knowledge might increase but rather that our lives might be changed. You see, whenever faith doesn’t issue in love; whenever doctrine, however orthodox, is unrelated to the living of life; whenever we’re tempted to settle down for a kind of self-centered Christian experience that ignores the social and material needs of other people; or whenever our conduct doesn’t match the creed that we declare, then the Scriptures have something to say to us that we disregard at our peril. when we read the Bible, it obviously comes home to our hearts in different ways. We are, after all, individuals.
We’re all in this together. If you look at the book of James 3:2, he says, “Not many of you should presume to be teachers (Preachers). If you love me, show me.” That’s essentially the book of James. That’s what God is saying through his Word in James: “Don’t sing me no songs.” And we love to sing songs, don’t we? We understand the importance of that. “Don’t read me no rhymes. Don’t waste my time. Show me.” So in other words, if the Scripture takes root in my life, in your life, in our lives, then there will be a visible impact. In other words, our doctrine must inevitably find itself on display. Our faith must inevitably begin to function in a way that is unavoidable and difficult to miss.
This is not a walk around a gymnasium, pointing out the various exercise machines. This is an invitation to get on the exercise machines. And for people to be able to say there is an observable difference in you, and directly as a result of becoming the “doers of the word” which is provided for us.
If you go to the first verse, where James is introduced to us as the writer. “James,” he introduces himself. We can safely say that he is a brother of the Lord Jesus. I can detail that for you, but I won’t take time to do so. We might be tempted to say, “Well, why then, if he is the brother of Jesus, does he not introduce himself as the brother of Jesus?”
The Words you speak as a Preacher/teacher is not the way one goes about introducing himself as a Brother in Christ Jesus. They are just Words coming out of your mouth...everybody has words coming out of their mouth. Of course, if you are of Christ Jesus then those are the words you want coming out of your mouth...that is just who you are...who you have become. I've heard Preachers say; "Nobody can out-preach me." Preaching is not where it's at.
Jesus says he only speaks of what he and his Father have seen. What are they speaking of, what have they seen?
I can tell you what they have seen. They have seen the Word come alive in you, in me, in all who believe God's word to be true...the truth is marching on! The truth in his word, that which he has seen before he even uttered a breath. As soon as God uttered a breath - Whoop, there we are!!!
Thanks so much for explaining as simply as possible. [/sarc]
How about posting I Corinthians 13 instead of all your confusing verbiage?
Good thing you didn't ask him to give a long, convoluted answer.Quote:
Then please explain as simply as possible.
This is the kind of carelessness I referred to earlier. Walter claims James said, “Not many of you should presume to be teachers (Preachers). If you love me, show me.” Problem? James did not say that. He said the first half, but the, "If you love me, show me," is just made up. What he actually wrote was, "because you know that we will receive a stricter judgment." It would be wonderful if you would acknowledge your mistake.
It's because James the Apostle was long dead. There's the detail.Quote:
We can safely say that he is a brother of the Lord Jesus. I can detail that for you, but I won’t take time to do so.
Waltero, what does this mean to you? "If you love me, show me."
After you respond, I will tell you what it means to me.
You would think that having tampons in the men's rooms at Clemson would lead to a constipation epidemic on campus .
This is more to WG & JL's liking. A subject matter they can relate to. I'm sure they are able to go on and on, and on about a subject such as this.Quote:
You would think that having tampons in the men's rooms at Clemson would lead to a constipation epidemic on campus.
@WG - what does it matter? When you have the ultimate understanding of God's love already in your mind. You seem to know exactly what it is when talking about God's [unconditional] love. You're not going to gain anything other than your own understanding. One can not know God's love without first experiencing God's love...You seem to have summed it up with one word (that everybody is able to understand).You spend too much time looking at a single Verse. Look and see the entire picture and you might gain a better understanding of What is being shown.Quote:
Problem? James did not say that.
God's Word can be interpreted in whichever way is right for you. Your interpretation might fit you, But your interpretation isn't meant to fit everybody...it is meant to fit God. Remember when Moses scolded Aaron? Aaron knew the true meaning of the Word while Moses was looking at the legal aspect. God is able to fit each individual on so many different levels.
You really need to stop yourself and cry hallelujah (as opposed to - That's not what it says, or That's not what it means) when somebody is willing to express their willingness toward God. If your brain isn't able to immediately pick up on something, you will simply disregard it as unbiblical...hearing a single excerpt you have already discredited it as false.
It's like WG -
Regardless of any response (If you love me you will obey my commands) that I may give, It will be overlooked being that WG has already determined to tell me what it means, regardless of my response... being blind, having no understanding of what I'm speaking right now.Quote:
Waltero, what does this mean to you? "If you love me, show me."
After you respond, I will tell you what it means to me.
One person's careless approach to the Bible is not another person's fault.Quote:
You spend too much time looking at a single Verse
When one person's claim is unbiblical, then that is not the fault of a second person.Quote:
If your brain isn't able to immediately pick up on something, you will simply disregard it as unbiblical.
If a person on this site claims that 2 + 2 = 5 and someone points out that the solution of 5 is not correct, then the person needs to change his/her answer and not point an accusing finger at the person who corrected him or her.
WG asks waltero, "What is your understanding of God's [unconditional] love?"Quote:
@WG - what does it matter? When you have the ultimate understanding of God's love already in your mind. You seem to know exactly what it is when talking about God's [unconditional] love. You're not going to gain anything other than your own understanding. One can not know God's love without first experiencing God's love...You seem to have summed it up with one word (that everybody is able to understand).
waltero said to WG, "One can not know God's love without first experiencing God's love..."
WG says, "Yes, I have experienced that."
Unconventional or unconditional?Quote:
God's unconventional love?
I was still typing. Autocorrect took over when I wasn't looking, when I was busy typing sentences after that. Then I proofread and saw that and fixed it.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Actually, after thinking about it, God's love for us is both unconventionnl AND unconditional!
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