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  • Oct 18, 2023, 05:14 AM
    tomder55
    What does Clueless Joe think he is going to accomplish in Israel today ? Israel is in a 2 and possibly 3 front war . They are preparing for major offensive in Gaza . And this clown decides it is a good idea to fly in so that now Israel has to arrange for his security also.

    Maybe he thinks he had credibility to do shuttle diplomacy . No one there wants to meet with him

    Jordan cancels Biden meetings with King Abdullah, Sissi, Abbas in Amman tomorrow | The Times of Israel

    Senior Palestinian official says President Mahmoud Abbas canceled his planned meeting Wednesday with President Biden - ABC News (go.com)

    Maybe he thinks he can show empathy by comparing the attacks on homes by Hamas terrorists with almost losing his prized car in a fire.

    Joe Biden Comparing Maui Fires to Almost Losing His Corvette Sparks Fury (newsweek.com)

    Or he can talk about how he dodged the bullet when his helicopter was "forced down" on "the superhighway of terror." (his pilot landed to wait out a snow storm)

    Copter carrying Sens. Kerry, Biden, Hagel forced down by storm in Afghanistan – Daily News

    Has he heard that zoom meetings make travelling half way around the world unnecessary ?

    This is all about him. You will hear during the campaign next year about what great leadership he showed flying into a war zone to demand that Israel restrain and show proportionality in their response from a 2 front invasion.
  • Oct 18, 2023, 06:14 AM
    jlisenbe
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    Maybe he thinks he can show empathy by comparing the attacks on homes by Hamas terrorists with almost losing his prized car in a fire.
    That's a great line.

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    This is all about him. You will hear during the campaign next year about what great leadership he showed flying into a war zone to demand that Israel restrain and show proportionality in their response from a 2 front invasion.
    I think that's about right. I have felt that this whole deal of Biden's trip had a certain political odor to it from the word go.
  • Oct 18, 2023, 12:52 PM
    tomder55
    Bibi has to put the Gaza response on hold so he can baby sit Clueless . But I will give credit where credit is due. Considering that the lefties of his party own him on all his other agendas ;he appears to be genuinely behind Israel so far
  • Oct 18, 2023, 01:39 PM
    jlisenbe
    The Biden Whitehouse has concluded that it is unlikely that Israel caused to destruction of the Gaza hospital yesterday with the resulting 500 deaths. There seems to be no end to how far these animals of Hamas will go in pursuit of their political goals and to destroy Israel.
  • Oct 18, 2023, 03:46 PM
    tomder55
    and yet there are world wide protests over the hospital . I got my own theory . The Islamic jihadists planted explosives at the Hospital that detonated when their failed rocket "accidentally " misfired
  • Oct 20, 2023, 05:19 AM
    jlisenbe
    As it turns out, the hospital bombing story was wrong in a few minor respects. It was actually not Israel who did the damage but, strange to say, it was Hamas. It was a rocket intended for Israel that landed far short. Also, the hospital was actually not hit. It landed in a parking lot adjacent to the building. And there were not 500 fatalities. It is likely closer to 100. But other than those few unimportant details, the story was basically correct.
  • Oct 20, 2023, 05:37 AM
    tomder55
    No surprise here .

    Russia says it is coordinating Middle East policy with China | Reuters


    The Army Reserve Base by me has been very active flying training missions with jet and copters the last few days.
  • Oct 20, 2023, 05:52 AM
    jlisenbe
    Not to worry. Our C in C has it all under control. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.
  • Oct 21, 2023, 01:13 PM
    tomder55
    The Navy shot down drones and missiles shot from Yemen that were potentially headed to Israel.

    US bases in both Iraq and Syria came under attack.

    The US is now in a shooting war against Iran proxies in defense of Israel.

    US troops overseas thwart multiple drone attacks in just days (militarytimes.com)

    Troops hurt after three drones attack US bases in Iraq as tensions flare after Gaza hospital blast | AP News

    U.S. Navy warship shoots down three missiles heading 'potentially towards Israel,' Pentagon says (nbcnews.com)
  • Oct 21, 2023, 01:33 PM
    waltero
    It's a commin. There is no preparing for what is about to hit. You can Either stay tuned in or Run For Cover. I suggest running for Cover. You will find Cover In Jesus only.
  • Oct 21, 2023, 01:37 PM
    Wondergirl
    Cover in Jesus? Even Christians will die.
  • Oct 21, 2023, 01:40 PM
    waltero
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    Even Christians will die.
    Unfortunately. But I would Consider that a good thing. I'm not sure I'd want to live through the Wrath that is coming (in fact it is already here). Those who Don't know Christ Jesus (Jews) will ultimately Run to him. But only when the SH*T hits the fan. At least that is what we have seen throughout all of History. It has to hit hard before they start to cry out.
  • Oct 21, 2023, 01:44 PM
    Wondergirl
    No, the Jews won't ultimately run to Jesus.
  • Oct 22, 2023, 03:53 AM
    tomder55
    Israel is being attacked from all directions and the demand is for them to restrain . If as is being predicted above that "wrath" is being unleashed then why place any restraints on Israel at all ?

    Israel should blast a big hole in the Rafah crossing and then give the people of Gaza 3 days to get out before Gaza City is reduced to a sink hole. If Clueless Joe wants to give them food ,medicine etc. then he should deposit it in the Sinai desert . Then the UN, Qatar, Turkey, should cooperate in the extradition of the criminal Hamas leaders who cowardly hide away in those nations .

    If the world does not want the conflagration, then they are demanding restraint from the wrong party.
  • Oct 22, 2023, 04:57 AM
    jlisenbe
    All these calls for a ceasefire and Israeli restraint are a day late and a dollar short. Those Hamas criminals must be dealt with.
  • Oct 22, 2023, 06:30 AM
    tomder55
    BTW BLM praising Hamas is all you need to know about them .

    They say they want the region "decolonized " .

    That is a vanilla word for expulsion and extermination

    Movement for Black Lives Calls for an Immediate End to the U.S.-Backed Occupation of Palestine - M4BL
  • Oct 24, 2023, 04:55 AM
    tomder55
    The Navy is forced to shoot down missiles that were once sanctioned before Clueless Joe lifted them.
  • Oct 24, 2023, 08:54 AM
    waltero
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    BTW BLM praising Hamas
    Does anybody follow BLM anymore? I thought they were proven to be a scam.

    Crazy how Israel gets attacked and everybody cries - Kill, Kill, KILL ISRAEL!
    Just think, It would have been a different story if Ukraine hadn't been attacked...meaning Israel would not be backed by America. Do you think the current administration wants to back Israel? Not at all. This will most likely have a negative effect on them in the next election.
  • Oct 24, 2023, 10:48 AM
    jlisenbe
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    It would have been a different story if Ukraine hadn't been attacked...meaning Israel would not be backed by America.
    Why do you think that is the case?
  • Oct 25, 2023, 04:03 AM
    tomder55
    13 attacks on US troops in the ummah this week has caused at least a dozen injuries. All the attacks have come from Iran proxies.
  • Oct 25, 2023, 04:45 AM
    jlisenbe
    You would think that it's just a matter of time before we have fatalities or lose some aircraft.
  • Oct 25, 2023, 04:55 AM
    tomder55
    UN Sec GeneralAntónio Guterres basically said in a Security Council meeting that Israel had it coming.

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    It is important to also recognize the attacks by Hamas did not happen in a vacuum.
    The Palestinian people have been subjected to 56 years of suffocating occupation.
    Secretary-General's remarks to the Security Council - on the Middle East | United Nations Secretary-General

    Israel's Ambassador to the UN has called for his resignation.
  • Oct 25, 2023, 05:39 AM
    jlisenbe
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    suffocating occupation.
    A really ignorant comment considering that Gaza has not been occupied by the Israelis since 93 and the Oslo Accords.
  • Oct 26, 2023, 04:23 AM
    tomder55
    Clueless Joe Blah;Blah;Blah;Blah;Blah;Blah;Blah;Blah Two state solution Blah;Blah;Blah;Blah............................... .................

    Biden: Israel-Hamas war must end with vision for a 'two-state solution' (cnbc.com)
  • Oct 26, 2023, 04:28 AM
    jlisenbe
    The Gaza strip was a two-state solution in miniature. Mr. Biden, how did that work out?
  • Oct 26, 2023, 05:12 AM
    tomder55
    Since 1967 we've heard that peace will come when there is are 2 states . Then they can live in peace. This is an invented trope that was never part of any settlement between nations or the UN . It is sorta like the elusive search for the Holy Grail. It was never part of any UN Resolution . Between 1948 and 1967 the Arab nations controlled all the land in question in Judea and Samaria Gaza was Egyptian . You see how anxious they are to get it back . They won't open the gate into Sinai to allow Palestians to enter (another case where a wall works )

    No Palestinian state was created . Why . Because in truth they don't give a rat's a$$ about the people of Palestine and they don't want the problem of Palestinians in their land


    Black September - Wikipedia


    It can't happen when one of those state's primary doctrine is the eradication of the other state and the extermination of it's people .

    When there is a Palestinian state it will only mean that more and more sophisticated weapons will legally be exported to the Palestinians. `

    Which would suit Iran just fine. In fact the whole conflict needs to be looked at in that context. 1967 Iraq joined the Arab nations that attacked Israel. They entered into the conflict through Jordan. Today Iraq is controlled by Iran courtesy of the emperor's desire to make Iran a regional hegemon. Iran funnels weapons to the Palestinas . Iran provides more sophisticated weapons to Hezbollah which controls the STATE of Lebanon . Iran proxies attack Israel through Syrian ,Lebanon ,and the Palestinian territories . Weapons to a Palestinian state would no longer need to be smuggled. The Palestinian State and Iran could have a recognized defense treaty .

    There is a REAL Resolution 242 recognizes Israel's rights to defensible borders . How could that happen if the charter of a Palestinian State calls for the extermination of Israel ?
  • Oct 26, 2023, 05:19 AM
    jlisenbe
    They are fighting over land that no one wanted until the Jews came in, put their backs and minds to work, and developed the area into what it presently is. As long as the Arabs controlled it, it was a wilderness.
  • Oct 26, 2023, 06:15 AM
    tomder55
    and in Gaza they are turning the fertile lands that Israel cultivated in South Gaza back to desert .
  • Oct 26, 2023, 01:39 PM
    waltero
    All of this is interesting. Will it still be interesting when it hits our front door?
    I think we'd better run for cover now before it's too late.

    It's a distraction.
  • Oct 26, 2023, 03:27 PM
    tomder55
    nah pages of debate about infant baptism on this board is a distraction This is "Current Events ".
  • Oct 26, 2023, 06:24 PM
    waltero
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    It's a distraction.
    This is "Current Events
    Not in his (our) Kingdom.
    What you're dealing with, here, is old News...We know how this story ends.

    (I was surprised to find out American troops have landed in Isreal...actual Boots on the Ground)
  • Oct 26, 2023, 08:33 PM
    jlisenbe
    Tom, just as you predicted.

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    US warplanes carried out airstrikes on Iranian proxy forces moments ago inside Syria: US

    F-16s and F-15s were used to strike targets in Syria earlier tonight in retaliation for the attacks on US troops in the region.

  • Oct 27, 2023, 04:17 AM
    tomder55
    Yes it took the repeated attacks on American troops for Clueless to act.
    US troops attacked in Iraq, Syria and on alert for more strikes | Reuters

    He still has it wrong . These attacks are directed by Iran . Targeting Iran assets in Iran should be the appropriate response. ie Take out the ports where Iran's Persian Gulf fleet operate from .


    I am hearing reports that I have yet to verify that the US helped bust an Israeli spy cell in Lebanon; and that contributed to a lack of intel about the Hamas attack. The cell in question was headed by Israeli Russian nationals.

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    What you're dealing with, here, is old News...We know how this story ends.
    Yes I've heard end times predictions many times yawn

    From a Current Events angle I guess the reactions are old news . First we pledge complete support for Israel . Then ;we council restraint by Israel . Then we give material assistance (humanitarian it is called ) to the terrorists. Wash rinse repeat .


    Behind Biden's shift on Israel-Hamas war: Gaza deaths, international pressure | Reuters


    And of course the American 5th column aka the left sides with the terrorists .

    Imagine if after 9-11 ;students demonstrated for al Qaeda like they did this week for Hamas.

    Thirty-one Harvard organizations blame Israel for Hamas attack (nypost.com)

    GWU students project messages in support of Hamas (nypost.com)

    New York University students demonstrate in support of Palestine - YouTube

    University of Chicago students show support for Palestinians, Israel as tensions surge on campus - YouTube
  • Oct 27, 2023, 04:42 AM
    jlisenbe
    The Communist revolution in Russia was preceded by the universities becoming indoctrination camps for radical ideas. The same thing seems to be happening here.
  • Oct 27, 2023, 05:09 AM
    tomder55
    Walt I have seen no reports of US troops on the ground although it would not surprise me. If there is a hostage rescue attempted I and sure US troops will be involved . Also it is not uncommon for US troops to be on the ground when American equipment is introduced into a conflict .I have no doubt that Americans are in Ukraine supporting the Patriot battery (if it hasn't already been taken out by the Russians ) .
    Also American special forces are covertly deployed all over the world's hot spots.
  • Oct 27, 2023, 09:29 AM
    waltero
    A friend showed me, by Vidio (while in Israel) American troops exiting aircraft. Apparently, there were three planeloads of American ground forces. He's still in Israel. He used to be a journalist. He is now doing interviews with other news agencies.
  • Oct 27, 2023, 10:37 AM
    tomder55
    3 whole plane loads . Like I said ;US weapons like Patriot and Terminal High Altitude Area Defense( THAAD ) systems would require US trainers

    U.S. sending additional air defense systems to Middle East, Pentagon says | Reuters
  • Oct 31, 2023, 04:50 AM
    tomder55
    Clueless Joe has pivoted from unconditional support for Israel to the plight of the Palestinian in Gaza. He is listening to his left flank again.
  • Oct 31, 2023, 04:57 AM
    jlisenbe
    This is about an accurate and succinct a description of the ME problem as I have seen in a while.

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    The Middle East conflict is framed as one of the most complex problems in the world. But, in reality, it's very simple. Israelis want to live in peace and are willing to accept a neighboring Palestinian state. And most Palestinians do not want Israel to exist.

  • Oct 31, 2023, 06:35 PM
    tomder55
    If anyone doubts that Jews need their own nation then they are not watching the world wide pogrom underway even here in the US

    Jewish Students Sheltered Inside College Library During Protest - YouTube

    Hundreds storm airport in Russia’s Dagestan in antisemitic riot over arrival of plane from Israel | AP News

    Antisemitism reaching ‘historic levels’ in US, FBI Director Wray warns: ‘A time for vigilance’ (msn.com)

    Stars of David Painted on Parisian Homes, Businesses as Open Antisemitism Explodes in Europe | The New York Sun (nysun.com)

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