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  • Jun 5, 2023, 04:29 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    "Grooming" is deliberately sexualizing and manipulating children.
    This leads to distorted thinking about their identity, relationships, family, and sexuality.

    .

    My question is, do they "groom"? When and where?

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    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    I would object equally to a female stripper performing in a library while reading books to children .

    Yet thec strippers are mostly nekkid, while the drag queens are fully clothed.
  • Jun 5, 2023, 05:36 PM
    tomder55
    no they are not . They are in thongs shoving their a$$ and junk in kids faces . Come on ! You can't possibly think this is a good idea.
  • Jun 5, 2023, 05:47 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    no they are not . They are in thongs shoving their a$$ and junk in kids faces . Come on ! You can't possibly think this is a good idea.

    They are not!!! Have you been to one? And there are always teachers or librarians or parents standing or sitting nearby. Picture books are read to the kids.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Uy7Oj4fSzuI

    Watch "The Weakest Link" quiz show tonight. Drag queens will be the contestants. You might learn something.
  • Jun 5, 2023, 06:11 PM
    tomder55
    Why would I watch that trash ? Why would I go to one ? I will not participate in that cultural rot .
  • Jun 5, 2023, 06:32 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    Why would I watch that trash ? Why would I go to one ? I will not participate in that cultural rot .

    To find out if I'm right or you are. Did you watch the video I posted?

    I bet you enjoyed Halloween with your kids. Who came to your door for trick or treat? Crazy, dressed-up monsters and witches and cartoon characters?

    Trash because a male is wearing women's clothes? We women wear men's clothes. Do you object to that? We are less submissive then?
  • Jun 5, 2023, 07:54 PM
    jlisenbe
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    To find out if I'm right or you are.
    Pretty predictable answer there.

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    I'm sure WG thinks he looks just cute as a button in his short skirt and with his fake breasts.

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    We women wear men's clothes. Do you object to that?
    Generally speaking, that is not true. The shirts and pants that women wear are not the same as the shirts and pants that men wear. But aside from that, to use that as justification for men to go around garishly and obscenely dressed as women in front of young children is nonsense. Even worse, there is no good reason at all to do it. The purpose is very clear. It is yet another attempt by the crowd that opposes decency and honor to foist their anti-God policies on the rest of us, including our young children.

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  • Jun 5, 2023, 08:33 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Pretty predictable answer there.

    I'm sure WG thinks he looks just cute as a button in his short skirt and with his fake breasts.

    But they aren't doing what tomder claims they do.

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    Generally speaking, that is not true. The shirts and pants that women wear are not the same as the shirts and pants that men wear.
    What!!! You must enjoy seeing women dressed in tights with underwear lines showing? I wear henley shirts from Eddie Bauer's men's section. Lands' End women's cotton pants.
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    But aside from that, to use that as justification for men to go around garishly and obscenely dressed as women in front of young children is nonsense. Even worse, there is no good reason at all to do it. The purpose is very clear. It is yet another attempt by the crowd that opposes decency and honor to foist their anti-God policies on the rest of us, including our young children.
    Nothing obscene about it. And "The Weakest Link" tonight was really fun!
  • Jun 6, 2023, 02:37 AM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    But they aren't doing what tomder claims they do.
    Because demonstrating how to twerk is always important to understanding a child's book .

    Drag queen teaches kids to twerk at library story hour - YouTube


    Parents' fury as naked man in thigh-high leather boots performs bondage routine in drag... - LBC

    I get it . They are desperate for acceptance. So they are playing the long game ....grooming the next generation for societal acceptance. It is in your face and down your throat .
  • Jun 6, 2023, 03:06 AM
    tomder55
    Meanwhile a children's choir was stopped from singing the National Anthem at the US Capitol by the Capitol Police .

    Not only were they stopped ;but they were stopped while singing this verse.
    O thus be it ever when freemen shall stand
    Between their lov’d home and the war’s desolation!
    Blest with vict’ry and peace may the heav’n rescued land
    Praise the power that hath made and preserv’d us a nation!
    Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
    And this be our motto - “In God is our trust,”
    And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
    O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave.

    The Capitol Police stopped them right after they sang In God is our trust,”

    Children's Choir Director Says Capitol Police Stopped Performance (dailysignal.com)

    Greenville choir stopped at U.S. Capitol - YouTube
  • Jun 6, 2023, 04:37 AM
    jlisenbe
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    But they aren't doing what tomder claims they do.
    True, but neither are they the modestly dressed people you suggest they are. There is simply no good reason for exposing young children, or any children for that matter, to such obscene and perverted displays. What purpose does it serve? It is plainly just an attempt to make that which is deviant appear to be normal in the eyes of children, and that's a sick undertaking.

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    What!!! You must enjoy seeing women dressed in tights with underwear lines showing? I wear henley shirts from Eddie Bauer's men's section. Lands' End women's cotton pants.
    What I wrote was completely true. It's why you have a women's clothing section and men's clothing section in stores.
  • Jun 6, 2023, 04:44 AM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    Meanwhile a children's choir was stopped from singing the National Anthem at the US Capitol by the Capitol Police .
    Their mistake was in not dressing as drag queens. If they had done that, they would have been welcomed!
  • Jun 6, 2023, 07:28 AM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    Because demonstrating how to twerk is always important to understanding a child's book .

    Twerking is fun! Kids do it all on their own. Haven't you ever seen a kid, usually a boy, turn his back on another kid and wiggle his butt at them? It's a tease with laughter, maybe it's an insult. What cave you been livin' in, tomder???
  • Jun 6, 2023, 07:35 AM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    True, but neither are they the modestly dressed people you suggest they are.

    They're wearing a lot more clothes than I do. And horrors!!! They're men dressed up as women! Evil!!!

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    What I wrote was completely true. It's why you have a women's clothing section and men's clothing section in stores.
    Thus, we are only full male or full female. Nothing else is to be allowed. Tell that to the world of plants, animals, birds, etc. If you want to put a Christian tag on this, chalk it up to the Fall.
  • Jun 6, 2023, 07:44 AM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    I get it . They are desperate for acceptance. So they are playing the long game ....grooming the next generation for societal acceptance. It is in your face and down your throat .

    Nope, no desperation for acceptance. When they're contestants on a tv show or characters in soap operas and readily accepted by public libraries for storyhour fun, that's called acceptance.
  • Jun 6, 2023, 07:45 AM
    jlisenbe
    If you believe in the Bible, then you believe we are male and female. As to animals, in all cases they are identified as male/female on the basis of male/female genitalia. Go figure.

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    They're men dressed up as women! Evil!!!
    Now you're catching on!
  • Jun 6, 2023, 07:49 AM
    Wondergirl
    Excellent article in today's Salon dot com:

    https://www.salon.com/2023/06/06/pro...fd29846b02f898
  • Jun 6, 2023, 07:54 AM
    jlisenbe
    Yes, don't make reference to the Bible, but go instead to Salon. That speaks volumes.
  • Jun 6, 2023, 07:55 AM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    If you believe in the Bible, then you believe we are male and female. As to animals, in all cases they are identified as male/female on the basis of male/female genitalia. Go figure.

    But then, external genitalia don't tell the whole story. Why did I refuse to sit in the junior high classroom at recess time and giggle and gossip wIth my female classmates, but instead was out on the ballfield with the boys, serving as their pitcher? And I have more examples if ya wanna read them.
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    Now you're catching on!
    You're nuts! And I'm a PK!
  • Jun 6, 2023, 08:10 AM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    But then, external genitalia don't tell the whole story. Why did I refuse to sit in the junior high classroom at recess time and giggle and gossip wIth my female classmates, but instead was out on the ballfield with the boys, serving as their pitcher? And I have more examples if ya wanna read them.
    You're the one who brought up animals. I'm just using your own example. And the fact that you liked to play sports means nothing.

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    You're nuts! And I'm a PK!
    Being a PK means absolutely, positively nothing.
  • Jun 6, 2023, 08:37 AM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    You're the one who brought up animals. I'm just using your own example. And the fact that you liked to play sports means nothing.

    I've always preferred hanging out with guys instead of girls. Women are giggly, fussbudgety, secretive, too emotional, know-it-all, too passive or passive-agressive.
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    Being a PK means absolutely, positively nothing.
    I've been immersed in Bible teachings since I was three days old.
  • Jun 6, 2023, 08:55 AM
    tomder55
    Clearly it is grooming and indoctrination. That is what this whole so called "Pride Month " is all about .

    To celebrate the month I would like to honor Elon Musk who overrode Twitter's ban on the documentary 'What is Women."

    I also would like to honor Megyn Kelly who has stepped up to the plate to repudiate transformer indoctrination.

    'What is women ' is now the most viewed documentary in history . On the surface it should be self evident . In all of human history there was no question what a woman was . Then the professional activist won their battle with the Obergfell decision . There were no more dragons to slay . So they invented one , albeit one who's dogma contradicts reality .....transformer's rights .

    Suddenly SCOTUS nominees did not know how to define 'women' . Biologists squirm because if they give honest answers they are labeled by the woke mob. The instances of non-binary humans are so rare as to be statistical anomalies . They represent genetic defects . They are rare variations in the binary male and female humans .

    Film producer Matt Walsh explores all the issues over the transformer movement and settles on nature’s truth, which is the biological makeup of a person as their gender — as opposed to what one simply feels is their gender.

    Megyn Kelly initially fell for the transformer propaganda . She has recently apologized for her error . She is fundamentally rejecting the pronoun fake controversy . She calls it a gateway drug. She vows to use her platform to oppose the transformer madness.
  • Jun 6, 2023, 09:37 AM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    In all of human history there was no question what a woman was .

    That's not true at all! Indigenous peoples have always embraced "two-spirit" (formerly called the offensive to them, anthropological term, berdach) tribe members.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-spirit#Berdache

    David loved Jonathan. Hmm....

    In Christian terms, LGBTQ+ have existed since Genesis 3.
  • Jun 6, 2023, 10:25 AM
    Wondergirl
    In this morning's Chicago Tribune, from an editorial:

    In today’s polarized society, women judge each other constantly. We learn from an early age about the importance of our appearance, and we are taught to keep our mouths shut and to “behave like a lady.” Being called “fat” is akin to being called a four-letter word. As women, we are judged if we are deemed unattractive, and we are judged if we are deemed too attractive. We are shamed sexually; if a woman comes out about a sexual assault, she is judged by her fellow women just as she is by men. If we age naturally, other women may say we look like a witch. If we use Botox to reduce wrinkles, they may say, “You’ve ruined your face.”
  • Jun 6, 2023, 01:01 PM
    jlisenbe
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    In Christian terms, LGBTQ+ have existed since Genesis 3.
    100% false.

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    David loved Jonathan. Hmm....
    Except, of course, that there is never so much as a hint that anything sexual existed between them. Even worse, for your POV, is that both were married, both fathered children with their wives, and David's great sin was an adulterous relationship with a WOMAN. So your argument falls flat.

    All of this has been shown to you before. You ignore it since you seem to have no real interest in the truth.


    “But at the beginning of creation God ‘made them male and female.’ a 7‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, b 8and the two will become one flesh.’ c So they are no longer two, but one flesh. 9Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”
  • Jun 6, 2023, 01:10 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    100% false.

    Except, of course, that there is never so much as a hint that anything sexual existed between them. Even worse, for your POV, is that both were married, both fathered children with their wives, and David's great sin was an adulterous relationship with a WOMAN. So your argument falls flat.

    All of this has been shown to you before. You ignore it since you seem to have no real interest in the truth.

    Loving someone doesn't mean having sex with that person. Ask me about people with Asperger's/autism. I'm married to one. My older son is one. No interest in sexual relations because it involves touching, hugging, kissing, connecting to another person.

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    “But at the beginning of creation God ‘made them male and female.a 7‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, b 8and the two will become one flesh.’ c So they are no longer two, but one flesh. 9Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”
    And then what happened in Genesis 3? The universe turned upside down.
  • Jun 6, 2023, 01:16 PM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    Loving someone doesn't mean having sex with that person.
    That is true. I have friends that I love like brothers, but we don't have sex thank goodness.

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    And then what happened in Genesis 3? The universe turned upside down.
    You have tried that faulty argument before. It's as wrong-headed as suggesting that rape and child sexual abuse are both OK since, after all, the "universe turned upside down" in Genesis 3. The bottom line is that same-gender sex is never approved of and always, when mentioned, condemned in the Bible. There is absolutely nothing there to commend it. There is not a single instance anywhere where two people of the same gender are sexually involved and the Bible portrays it as an acceptable relationship.

    Might add that even an elementary understanding of the differences between men and women biologically make it clear that males and females are intended for each other sexually. It is very clear that two males or two females do not "work" from a sexual perspective.
  • Jun 6, 2023, 01:36 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    You have tried that faulty argument before. It's as wrong-headed as suggesting that rape and child sexual abuse are both OK since, after all, the "universe turned upside down" in Genesis 3. The bottom line is that same-gender sex is never approved of and always, when mentioned, condemned in the Bible. There is absolutely nothing there to commend it. There is not a single instance anywhere where two people of the same gender are sexually involved and the Bible portrays it as an acceptable relationship.

    Something happened after Adam and Eve took bites outta that darn apple. Genesis 3:22: "And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. " Evil is what God didn't create -- a perfect world.

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    Might add that even an elementary understanding of the differences between men and women biologically make it clear that males and females are intended for each other sexually. It is very clear that two males or two females do not "work" from a sexual perspective.
    But that changed after the Fall.
  • Jun 6, 2023, 01:40 PM
    tomder55
    (1) Sara Gonzales on Twitter: "The @CityOfDallas hosted a “family-friendly” Pride festival. Many children were in attendance. Does this look family-friendly to you?? https://t.co/D2kr1u9GRG" / Twitter
  • Jun 6, 2023, 02:54 PM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    Something happened after Adam and Eve took bites outta that darn apple. Genesis 3:22: "And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. " Evil is what God didn't create -- a perfect world.
    So same-gender sex is evil. We agree!!


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    Might add that even an elementary understanding of the differences between men and women biologically make it clear that males and females are intended for each other sexually. It is very clear that two males or two females do not "work" from a sexual perspective.
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    But that changed after the Fall.
    The anatomy of men and women was different before the fall than now? Well, I eagerly anticipate your explanation of how it was different, and of how you might happen to know that.
  • Jun 6, 2023, 04:13 PM
    Wondergirl
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    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    So same-gender sex is evil. We agree!!

    Evil like how you check out a woman's body as she walks past you when you're out shopping. Evil like when you buy a gun. Evil like when you yell at your wife.
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    The anatomy of men and women was different before the fall than now? Well, I eagerly anticipate your explanation of how it was different, and of how you might happen to know that.
    What does anatomy have to do with anything? I was responding to your comment, "males and females are intended for each other sexually".

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    It is very clear that two males or two females do not "work" from a sexual perspective.
    Of course they do! I don't want to get kicked off this site, so use your imagination. There are so many ways to achieve sexual satisfaction!
  • Jun 6, 2023, 04:52 PM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    Evil like how you check out a woman's body as she walks past you when you're out shopping. Evil like when you buy a gun. Evil like when you yell at your wife.
    Nice try. Still, there are many evil actions including same gender sex, so we are in agreement.

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    What does anatomy have to do with anything? I was responding to your comment, "males and females are intended for each other sexually".
    Read my post with greater care. It's pretty obvious.

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    Of course they do! I don't want to get kicked off this site, so use your imagination. There are so many ways to achieve sexual satisfaction!
    Many men get sexual satisfaction through sex with minors. Doesn't make it right. Anyway, that wasn't the point, and so reread the post until you get it. It is a very simple concept.
  • Jun 6, 2023, 05:37 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Many men get sexual satisfaction through sex with minors. Doesn't make it right. Anyway, that wasn't the point, and so reread the post until you get it. It is a very simple concept.

    "Straight" men.
  • Jun 6, 2023, 06:35 PM
    jlisenbe
    Don't kid yourself.
  • Jun 6, 2023, 06:48 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Don't kid yourself.

    Catholic et al. priests/ministers who abuse their altar boys are all gay?
  • Jun 6, 2023, 07:19 PM
    jlisenbe
    Who said they were?
  • Jun 6, 2023, 08:28 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Who said they were?

    According to your thinking, they must be. (Conservative, evangelical, straight males say gay guys groom young males.) Groom the pants off those altar boys!
  • Jun 7, 2023, 04:23 AM
    tomder55
    Here I posted that 2 major hotel chains are leaving down town San Fran .

    The Bad Guys Have the Cops on the Run. - Page 2 (askmehelpdesk.com)

    What I did not add was that the city is spending $6 million in an ad campaign to lure tourists back .
    The campaign features this ad

    Always San Francisco - YouTube

    Prominent in the ad is of course the Golden Gate Bridge and a bunch of people eating ;drinking and making merry. The pink haired person is drag queen 'Lady Camden';a former contestant on RuPaul's Drag Race.

    Well at least they had the good sense to exclude the feces filled crime ridden fentanyl zombified streets near the hotels . .
  • Jun 7, 2023, 04:30 AM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    According to your thinking, they must be. (Conservative, evangelical, straight males say gay guys groom young males.) Groom the pants off those altar boys!
    Rubbish.

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    Well at least they had the good sense to exclude the feces filled crime ridden fentanyl zombified streets near the hotels . .
    I wonder if that might have something to do with San Francisco being one of the fastest shrinking cities in America?

    https://sfstandard.com/research-data...andemic-covid/
  • Jun 8, 2023, 08:00 AM
    tomder55
    'What is a Woman ' has been viewed over 157 million times on Twitter .
  • Jun 8, 2023, 11:08 AM
    jlisenbe
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    If Musk had not purchased Twitter, I suppose it would have been viewed zero times. It would have been another casualty of left-wing censors who don't like academic discussions but cheer for drag queens appearing in front of kindergarten students.

    Attachment 49486

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