1. What tells us the embryo is a person?
2. So are you.
3. You said Trump wasn't trying to start a war. Thus, Boston Tea Party redux.
Wondergirl means she wonders a lot about reference questions and the people who ask them.
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1. What tells us the embryo is a person?
2. So are you.
3. You said Trump wasn't trying to start a war. Thus, Boston Tea Party redux.
Wondergirl means she wonders a lot about reference questions and the people who ask them.
1. Already answered. "Still, it has a unique genetic code, is not "sperm and egg", is fabulously complex, exhibits all the qualities of living organisms, and is on its way to adulthood." I could add that it is already male/female, it is already developing systems, and it needs only time and safety to be held in a mother's arms. Note that shaking hands has nothing to do with it. Try shaking hands with a newborn. Good luck.
2. I showed you your arrogance in your refusal to admit to the most obvious thing on this site.
3. Except that, as I have already shown, the BTP was not carried out to start a war. Pay attention.
She should wonder about why she cannot admit to being wrong when she clearly is.
I'm out of this. You are too frustrating to discuss anything with. You don't know what you're talking about, and you won't listen to someone else who does know. You make statements you cannot support and then expect others to find support for you. It's just too much. If I could block you I would, but your position on this site makes that not possible, or at least that seems to be the case.
Best wishes.
1. Of course I can shake hands with a newborn baby, but not with an embryo.
2. And you regularly show us yours.
3. Trump learned from the BTP that starting a war is easy.
Kam the sham tried to liken the end of Roe to slavery . She said it was an example of ‘trying to claim ownership over human bodies.’
Kamala Harris at Essence Festival: Overturning Roe v. Wade 'problematic on so many levels' - CNNPolitics
Now I as someone who doesn't think babies should be killed also compare abortion to slavery because the baby is treated as less than a human .
And the mother's (woman's) rights have been taken away, no longer exist. Slavery.
what right is that ?
To have control over her body and what happens to it
The woman gave up that "right" getting pregnant .
The right to the life of the baby supersedes other rights We know that because that was the very first right mentioned by the Founders , The right to life under the Constitution is not debatable
The only argument the left has against that is the absurd contention that the baby is less than a human and does not deserve the right of life except at the mother's discretion. THAT WAS THE MINDSET OF THE PRO-SLAVERY MOVEMENT IN THE ANTEBELLUM days before the Civil War .
No male can purchase and possess a gun. He gave up that right because he has fingers.
Women "get pregnant" how? By whom?
the comparison escapes me . The baby is a separate human being ;not inanimate tool . It's like saying an astronaut is dependent on the rocket ship. If the astronaut exits the ship the astronaut dies. But no one argues that the astronaut is part of the ship.
As for the man thingy ..... He is an equal participant but you would not even give him a say if the baby lives or dies .
There is no defense for your position. Why do you consider an unborn baby to be a part of the woman's body ? Because the baby depends on the mother for it's existence If that were true than the mother would have a right to whack the born baby too . The baby is a helpless being for months after birth. There is actually a serious debate that if an abortion fails and the baby is alive outside the mother it can be killed like a seal . Some people who argue for abortion rights see nothing wrong with offing a mentally handicapped baby. There is actually names for those atrocities ...... “fourth-trimester abortion” or “post-natal abortion.” It all comes from the mindset that a baby is a disposable life at the discretion of the mother's "choice". .
Oh, yes, he has a say -- IF he sticks around after he has his fun.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
You referred to rights. I stayed on that topic.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Some people (usually males) believe in "offing" other people -- at home, in the neighborhood, at grocery stores, at churches, at schools, and even at parades -- with easily obtained guns. Why aren't guns prohibited?Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Non sequitur Murder is outlawed regardless of the tool used .........except evidently abortion . That murder is thought of as some kind of right.Quote:
Some people (usually males) believe in "offing" other people -- at home, in the neighborhood, at grocery stores, at churches, at schools, and even at parades -- with easily obtained guns. Why aren't guns prohibited?
WrongQuote:
Oh, yes, he has a say -- IF he sticks around after he has his fun.
had my wife decided to kill my daughter I would've had no say
Why not? You two were married.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
North Carolina: Parents charged after 2-month-old died (wyff4.com)Quote:
A couple charged in connection with the death of a 2-month-old baby now faces more serious charges.
Officials announced upgraded charges for Nickolas Shane Stephenson, 35, and Diandra Haleigh Fuhr-Farlow, 28, were arrested in June after the death of their infant daughter Riley Leshae Hannah Stephenson.
Both have now been charged with first-degree murder in the death of their child, officials said.
Why are they charged ? The baby could not survive without them .They did not kill their baby .They decided to have a “fourth-trimester abortion” or “post-natal abortion.”
Married women don't opt for abortion without the father's consent ?
Spousal Notification: An Unconstitutional Limitation on a Woman's Right to Privacy in the Abortion Decision (hofstra.edu)
Men: Do not put your prized possession inside a woman's body unless you are willing, for the rest of your life, to be a father worthy of sainthood.
A great point that has gone unanswered. It's just amazing that here we are living in the golden age of birth control with options women could only dream about 75 years ago, and yet people want to complain about men getting women pregnant. It's like me leaving my doors unlocked and open but then complaining about getting robbed.Quote:
the comparison escapes me . The baby is a separate human being ;not inanimate tool . It's like saying an astronaut is dependent on the rocket ship. If the astronaut exits the ship the astronaut dies. But no one argues that the astronaut is part of the ship.
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Men: Do not put your prized possession inside a woman's body unless you are willing, for the rest of your life, to be a father worthy of sainthood.
I can go along with that . But it does not address the issue of married men having no say according to you if their baby gets killed . And it certainly has nothing to do with Kam the Sham's absurd statement that if a women doesn't have the right to kill her baby that she is a slave .
1. And if (when!!!) we tell you, "No, thanks"?Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
2. Why is "Don't have sex unless you're ready to have a baby" said only to women and not to men?
Then the answer is no. Anything beyond that is rape. Is there something here difficult to understand???
https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net...rw&oe=62CB4481
Of course he should have a say!Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Isn't it funny that Ian knew one was an elephant and one was a dog. Not clumps of cells, but an elephant and a dog. Wonder why people can't figure out what a human is?
Ian knew what they were and posted them and then asked the question.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
I could post a pic of a new born and ask the same stupid question. They cannot live on their own or make choices on their own…yet. Just a matter of time and keeping liberal dems from killing them.
"New born" is one word. You're welcome.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
You'd be able to tell the difference between a newborn human and a newborn elephant or newborn dog?
Hate to upset you. Many righty repubs have killed human unborns.
"Unborn" is an adjective and not a noun. You're welcome.Quote:
have killed human unborns.
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/...english/unborn
Only repubs stand up for the rights of unborn babies. I've certainly not seen you do it.
1. unborn noun. A single unborn offspring at any stage of gestation.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
2. unborn noun. Unborn offspring collectively. Inheritance law allows property to be left to the unborn.
3. unborn adjective. not yet born; yet to come; future.
4. unborn adjective. not yet delivered; still existing in the mother's womb.
from Wiktionary
I am a registered Republican and a lifelong Christian.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
"I am a registered Republican and a lifelong Christian," who, as I said, does not stand up for unborn babies. I said nothing about your political affiliation or religion, but I do know you are fine with killing unborn children. And there is, by the way, no such thing as a "lifelong Christian".
You can go with "Wiktionary". I'll stick with Cambridge and Merriam Webster.
Mr. Judge and Jury. Those poor unborns!!!!
Yes, indeed. It is tragic to have your life snuffed out before you even get a chance at birth. Those unborn children deserve better. What a shame that you can't get behind that idea.Quote:
Those poor unborns!!!!
In just 14 years, the fertility rate has crashed from 2.12 to 1.64, meaning that both citizens and resident aliens in America are not replacing themselves.
While past demographic momentum has led to an all-time population high, the United States has already peaked demographically. And it will soon shrink and further age.
Thirty years ago, America had 80 million fewer people, but a quarter-million more annual births.
What explains the disappearing American?
Historically, as Westernized cultures become more affluent and leisured, whether it’s ancient Rome or modern America and Europe, they birth fewer children—even as their appetites for more household and personal help spike.
Life apparently is seen as too enjoyable to invest years in raising children..........
Figures on annual abortions remain hotly disputed. But the number of annual reported abortions still ranges somewhere between more than 600,000 to just under 900,000.
There may be almost 20 abortions for every 100 American pregnancies, or 1 in 5 pregnancies that are terminated.
Our popular culture reflects this multifarious growing reluctance to raise children. And currently only 65% of children grow up in families with both parents.
The 2012 Obamacare ad “The Life of Julia” fixated on the new ideal American woman: a single parent of one child, unmarried, and utterly reliant on nearly 65 years of government support.
The 2013 follow-up bookend ad fetishized “Pajama Boy.” He was supposed to be a typical prolonged-adolescent, man-child—sitting at home in his childlike footie pajamas, sipping hot chocolate.
“Pajama Boy” was likely the sort that “Julia” had no intention of marrying.
There are historical downsides—economic, cultural, social, and military—to nations that shun child-raising. They shrink in size, age, no longer believe in transcendence, become mostly agnostic or atheistic, and obsess on the self.
And sometimes they eventually become dysfunctional—and slowly disappear.
What Explains the Disappearing American? (dailysignal.com)
Clueless tells of a 10 year old girl who had to travel out of state to terminate the presidency .
Biden outraged over 10-year-old rape victim unable to get abortion in Ohio | DW News - YouTube
It seems that Biden had it backwards. The girl had to go to Indiana, not Ohio. And yeah, it sure sounds like he says to "terminate the presidency".
The whole issue of rape and incest will be on the front burner of the abortion debate.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jul/03/ohio-indiana-abortion-rape-victim
That is because it is the only argument they have without admitting that the vast majority of abortions have nothing to do with rape and incest .The vast majority are contraception after the fact .
That is correct. Something like 99% of abortions are pretty much elective.
And during the first trimester.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Nope. A little less than 90% are in the first trimester.
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