Hardly! I'm an "I like Ike" Republican.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
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Hardly! I'm an "I like Ike" Republican.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
I just finished a bio of Ike's 2 terms as President .( 'Ike's Bluff ' by Evan Thomas )It was mostly about how he kept the peace when hawks in the US were over selling Soviet capability to beef up US defense spending . It speaks of how he bluffed the world into thinking that he had a nuclear hair trigger when in fact he probably never would've used them. Nukes were cheaper so he preferred them over expanding conventional forces.
In the end he warned the US about over spending on defense . But his plan of leaving the conventional forces demobilized would've forced his hand to use the nukes if Mao or Khrushchev had ever called his bluff.
I can assure you that domestically he had nothing in common with the positions you take on this board unless you do not believe what you write . He would never had committed the resources spent in the 1960s for the social changes that came .The government expanded during his watch but he would never had committed the US to a program that had us in debt well above our GDP . He was a traditionalist who despised the counter culture . He would not have approved of the social changes that allow the murder of children .He probably would've supported woman's rights to a point . He never would've supported the muddling of the genders ;the LGBTQ++XYZ movement that actually dilute those rights . He despised the counter culture during his retirement years . He despised both Jack Kennedy and LBJ .
Yes he kept many of the New Deal programs in tact . Some even expanding during his watch. The US was alone as an economic power house in the 1950s so that was easy to do . He never would have sacrificed a balanced budget over expanded gimmees.
On the US borders he allowed temporary workers to enter the country . They were not permitted to stay . He supported the Bracero program .But also initiated Operation Wetback that used immigration to round up Mexicans to deport them .He was never the open border ;let them all come in type of person .
He greatly expanded the spy state . The CIA was in it's hay day under his watch even though their record during that time was just terrible in both predicting events and in covert activities that still negatively affect us . He was mostly hands off when he should've had them completely under his control .His State Dept was another failed organization .
A person can't support every liberal dem position known to man and then claim to be a repub based on the idea of supporting a candidate from the 50's that she was likely far too young to vote for to begin with. It's like the owner of a meat packing plant claiming to be an animal lover.
Didn't realize you were a published author. Impressive!
sorry to mislead. I just finished reading the bio .
The Dems say that the apparent decision to reverse Roe means that next comes all the rights gained since before Brown v Board . take your pick ...woman's rights ;gay marriage ;contraception ,inter-racial marriage are all now on the block . This is demagoguery of the worse kind. Where is a minister of misinformation when you need one ?
Oh well. At least you have read the book. I have to discipline myself to read. Love to watch documentaries but not so crazy about reading.
I am trying to do much more reading since retiring .I had been limiting myself to what I could get on the web .Also have begun to read more fictions although my preference is still history.
To be honest ;Roe was on the way out long before this apparent decision. Look at all the states who have passed abortion laws recently both expansive and restrictive laws .My former state NY passed an il duce Cuomo signed law in 2019 that basically decriminalized the act of abortion .It also expanded who was eligible to do the baby executions. In NY the killing of a baby in utero by anyone is no longer actionable as a homicide.
Illinois defined a “health care professional” for the purpose of wacking a baby to include a “physician,.... a registered nurse, ...a physician assistant, or even... a person acting under the supervision of one of the above” .
Rhode Island allows for the killing of babies past the age of viability . Fathers in the state have no say in the matter.
Most of the states that have passed restrictions have already been mentioned and debated on these boards '
This decision will not be the end of the issue. It will return control of abortion law to the states. Many states will ban abortions, but others will have the doors wide open to include abortions at 9 months. Even worse, California is now considering legislation allowing for "perinatal" abortions, meaning the death of a newborn. So the battle for life will continue. This will be the end by no means.
https://www.lifenews.com/2022/03/24/...s-after-birth/Quote:
New language added to AB 2223 last week revealed the disturbing intent. The proposed legislation would shield a mother from civil and criminal charges for any “actions or omissions” related to her pregnancy, “including miscarriage, stillbirth, or abortion, or perinatal death.” Although definitions of “perinatal death” vary, all of them include the demise of newborns seven days or more after birth.The bill from Assemblywoman Buffy Wicks additionally protects anyone who “aids or assists a pregnant person in exercising” these rights. It also allows a woman to sue any police department or legal authority which arrests or charges her for hurting or killing her child under provisions of the bill.
the radical lefty fact checkers are on the case . Colorado passed a law making abortion available at any time during pregnancy. It was noted in a tweet and shared on Facebook . Well that was just not acceptable to the propagandist fact checkers .
Now get this logic. They don't deny that the abortion can be done any time during pregnancy . BUT since abortions are rare after 21 weeks they say it makes the tweet and postings false .
PolitiFact | No, this Colorado law does not allow abortions ‘up until the moment of birth’
Was listening to a clip of VP Harris passionately supporting abortion "rights". After defending the destruction of human lives, she closed with, "God bless you, and God bless America." Kind of a disconnect there, Madam Vice President.
If rapists and sex abusers were locked up, if fathers stepped up, if daycare was not cost-prohibitive, if health care was reasonable, if housing was reasonable, if paid maternity leave lasted at least six months, there would be no need for abortion.
You know not of what you speak.
Thirty years as a professional counselor says I do.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Then what's your take on it?
Fetuses are human lives?Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Genesis 2:7 (KJV) And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
And thus, if abortion, killing the unborn, is forbidden, so should war, killing the born, be forbidden.
Well, they are definitely human, and they are definitely alive, so what do you think?Quote:
Fetuses are human lives?
Great idea.Quote:
And thus, if abortion, killing the unborn, is forbidden, so should war, killing the born, be forbidden.
If you find a "dust of the ground" human, then please be sure to take a pic of that. Otherwise, it is not a relevant point. God no longer breathes life into our nostrils that we might become living souls.Quote:
Genesis 2:7 (KJV) And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
1. All of your excuses could equally be applied to children already born. It all comes down to the question of the human nature of the unborn. If they are not human, then abortion just becomes another med procedure. If the unborn are human, then abortion becomes an unspeakable travesty justified only when the mother's life is truly endangered, which is scarcely ever the case. Your other excuses pale in comparison.Quote:
Then what's your take on it?
2. I'm sure the situation would be better if some socio-economic conditions were better. However, life is FAR better now than a hundred years ago, and yet abortions were relatively infrequent then. How do you explain that?
3. I've shown you this pic before to no avail, but it's worth trying again. Look like a living human to you? Look like it's worth protecting? This is 16 weeks.
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This is 10 weeks. Eyes, nose, ears, beating heart, brain, hands, fingers, and toes all present. Look like a living human to you worth protecting?
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The first time a fetus breathes is when it has left the mother's body, when it is born. That's when it becomes human, a living soul.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
You must be joking!Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
I would save the life -- and emotional health -- of the woman.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Nope.Quote:
You must be joking!
Saving the woman's physical life is scarcely ever an issue. As to her emotional health, you'd do that by killing her unborn child? Yep...liberal dem, you are.Quote:
I would save the life -- and emotional health -- of the woman.
Nope, a God-fearing PK who has been blessed with common sense, not cursed with fanaticism.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
You are a God fearing person who advocates for the killing of unborn children? That only makes sense in the world of liberal dems. You are fanatically in favor of abortion.
Read much? Understand any of it? I didn't think so.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
WHO wants an abortion?
WHEN does she?
WHY does she?
answer.... there is an inconvenience, so the option is to kill the kid.
An insulting comment, which you claim to oppose but clearly don't, establishes nothing other than your lack of answers. However, I will not run off and pout. I just stick with it.Quote:
Read much? Understand any of it? I didn't think so.
A woman, though as a non-biologist, that term would hold no meaning for you.Quote:
WHO wants an abortion?
WHEN does she?
WHY does she?
When she is pregnant, though your non-biology background probably renders that term meaningless as well.
For a number of potential reasons. In most cases, Tom's answer is pretty much it, and she gets supported by "God-fearing" folk like you.
Inconvenience: raped by your uncleQuote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Inconvenience: gang raped
Inconvenience: husband is verbally and physically abusive
Inconvenience: am menopausal, thought I was finished having babies
Inconvenience: a pregnancy will put my life at risk
Inconvenience: the fetus has a congenital disorder that guarantees hospital care and medication throughout its probably short life
I was just tossing back at ya insults similar to the ones you throw at me. Why oh why can't you stick to answering the questions or at least challenging the ideas in them without beating up the questioner???Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
You mean you were just doing what you claim to despise? Interesting bit of hypocrisy, eh?
Your attempts to justify killing children in cold blood fall far short.
By the way, can you be specific about these supposed insults I have hurled at you?
Scenario: Susie, age 15, was raped by her brother's best friend. In about six weeks, not wanting to believe it, she realized she was pregnant. Now what?Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
In your view, she should have the little inconvenience killed.
Please answer my question.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Why? You don't answer mine. Shouldn't it be a two way street?
For instance.
1. By the way, can you be specific about these supposed insults I have hurled at you?
2. As to her emotional health, you'd do that by killing her unborn child?
3. I've shown you this pic before to no avail, but it's worth trying again. Look like a living human to you? Look like it's worth protecting? This is 16 weeks.
4. This is 10 weeks. Eyes, nose, ears, beating heart, brain, hands, fingers, and toes all present. Look like a living human to you worth protecting?
5. Well, they are definitely human, and they are definitely alive, so what do you think?
There is nothing in the Bible to support an idea like that. But at any rate, does that mean you are OK with an abortion a day or two previous to delivery?Quote:
The first time a fetus breathes is when it has left the mother's body, when it is born. That's when it becomes human, a living soul.
Abortion is mentioned in the Bible.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
That's EXTREMELY rare and means the mother will die if nothing is done.
Rape is mentioned in the Bible. Does being mentioned make it ok?
What if a woman loses her job at 37 weeks and so changes her mind. You ok with an abortion then? Colorado specifically allows that. You ok with it?
A fifteen year old raped and pregnant is also EXTREMELY rare and yet you used that as your example. Oh well.
Apparently so. Literalists believe if it's in there, it's okay.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Did you answer my question?Quote:
What if a woman loses her job at 37 weeks and so changes her mind. You ok with an abortion then? Colorado specifically allows that. You ok with it?
Scenario: Susie, age 15, was raped by her brother's best friend. In about six weeks, not wanting to believe it, she realized she was pregnant. Now what?
No they don’t. That’s absurd and a ridiculous assertion.
in Susie’s case, the first step should be to execute the boy for rape. He is, after all, the only guilty party. You with me so far?
Have you been drinking?Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Ah. Another evasion. Predictable.
You, my dear, refuse to answer my questions that were posted before yours.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
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