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  • Apr 24, 2022, 12:22 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    You have no answers,

    No, YOU can't find B in the previous maze of my productive posts and your false accusations. I do give you partial credit, though, for finding A and C.

    Oh, never fear. You'll get your desperately wanted "legal solution".
  • Apr 24, 2022, 12:48 PM
    jlisenbe
    Doubtful…in both instances. But I am hoping for the best.
  • Jul 2, 2022, 05:14 AM
    tomder55
    SCOTUS In West Va v EPA put a brake on regulatory over reach. At issue was how far the EPA could go to regulate carbon emissions from energy producing plants.
    Chief Justice Roberts writing for the majority 6-3 wrote that the Executive Branch can not interpret obscure sections of laws passed by Congress to essentially do a power grab .

    The plan originally introduced by the emperor and adapted radically by Clueless Joe's regime would've created cap and trade and other measures that would force the industry to transition to their so called clean energy agenda.

    Roberts called the plan overreach based on laws Congress passed.

    Capping carbon dioxide emissions at a level that will force a nationwide transition away from the use of coal to generate electricity may be a sensible “solution to the crisisof the day.” New York v. United States, 505 U. S. 144, 187 (1992). But it is not plausible that Congress gave EPA the authority to adopt on its own such a regulatory scheme in Section 111(d). A decision of such magnitude and consequence rests with Congress itself, or an agency acting pursuant to a clear delegation from that representative body.

    20-1530 West Virginia v. EPA (06/30/2022) (supremecourt.gov)

    This is a major decision. The regulatory state have been out of control for over a century . This decision will impact other agencies decisions beyond the EPA.
  • Jul 2, 2022, 05:41 AM
    jlisenbe
    That WV decision would seem to be impactful until you consider that the Biden admin will just change lanes and keep going.

    Quote:

    Oh, never fear. You'll get your desperately wanted "legal solution".
    I assumed that meant sometime this year. I guess not.
  • Jul 2, 2022, 01:34 PM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    That WV decision would seem to be impactful until you consider that the Biden admin will just change lanes and keep going.

    Lile this ?

    White House adviser claims high gas prices necessary for 'future of the liberal world order' | Just The News
  • Jul 2, 2022, 01:35 PM
    jlisenbe
    Yep. I heard that. A refreshing and yet frightening moment of honesty.
  • Jul 4, 2022, 04:43 AM
    tomder55
    Meanwhile the emperor has proven to be a true climate change warrior . Greta would be proud .

    We already know he owns mansions on the ocean waterfronts of 2 oceans . This signals his concern for rising oceans .

    To get to both homes he flies boats and /or drives (or rather someone else takes him there by such transportation )

    And like a true progressive lefty he does not care that the cost of fossil fuels have skyrocketed . He stated a decade ago that his policies would necessarily skyrocket energy costs .

    But wait ...... does the cost of energy or the availability of energy for his mansions concern him ? Maybe it does .

    The emperor recently purchased 3 huge propane tanks for his 6,900 sq ft Martha's Vinyard mansion .The tanks will store 2,500 gallons of commercial propane.

    Why do they need tanks of that size ? Conspiracy theorists speculate that the emperor is preparing for the Brandon apocalypse . But more likely he wants to squirrel away the gas anticipating even larger price increases .

    U.S. propane market prepares for ‘Armageddon’ amid price spikes and supply shortages | WHNT.com

    Or maybe he wants to protect the frozen foods in his freezer from brown outs when the sun don't shine.

    Surprisingly he has not put up windmills or a solar panel farm on his property as an alternative to fossil fuels .

    Not to worry ..... propane is a "clean burning " fossil fuel . Well yes it emits less CO2 than gas or diesel . But it is hardly clean .There is a carbon footprint when extracting propane from natural gas and crude oil refining . You don't get propane without the processing of oil and natural gas .

    When the emperor was President he gave $72 billion monopoly money to solar companies . You would think that would've done the trick.


    “our planet has been wounded by our actions,” ...“Collectively and individually, we are still falling short. We have not done nearly enough to address this crisis,” .......
    The consequences of not moving fast enough are becoming apparent all the time. … There are times when I am doubtful that humanity can get its act together before it’s too late,”

    Barack Obama COP26 Climate Speech Transcript | Rev
  • Jul 4, 2022, 05:28 AM
    jlisenbe
    Nice post. I copied much of it to Facebook. It's worth reading. The "emperor" is Obama...correct?
  • Jul 4, 2022, 05:31 AM
    tomder55
    yes he is emperor zero
  • Jul 6, 2022, 05:26 AM
    tomder55
    This article is so complete I cannot add to it . It goes to the essential question ;are we to be a democratic Republic or are we to be replaced by the Wilsonian vision of rule by bureaucratic fiat .

    I will not c/p sections .The whole article is quotable and worthy of a read .


    Reining In the Fourth Branch of Government | RealClearPolitics
  • Jul 6, 2022, 06:08 AM
    jlisenbe
    Best summary of the views expressed in the article.

    Quote:

    This debate goes to the very heart of how we as Americans rule ourselves. The left sees Washington’s administrative apparatus as “rule by experts,” essential for controlling a technologically complex society. Their preference is for the modern equivalent of Plato’s philosopher-kings, people who understand the population’s needs far better than the people themselves.

    Conservatives (and populists) place no faith in philosopher-kings and certainly not in mid-level bureaucrats, mostly trained in law school. Conservatives see the engorged administrative state as undemocratic and, hence, illegitimate, unless the administrators are carrying out detailed legislation, passed by their elected representatives and signed by the president. The EPA is part of the Executive Branch, after all. It is tasked with executing the law, not with passing, enforcing, and adjudicating it on its own.
    Also worth noting.

    Quote:

    But focusing exclusively on the policy impact of court decisions turns federal judges into legislators.

    The court’s ruling produced a bizarre spectacle on Capitol Hill: Democratic senators and representatives saying, “Please don’t return that authority to us.” Why? Because they want to avoid responsibility for the laws they pass (or fail to pass). They’ve been shirking that responsibility for decades, weakening their own powers, and they want to continue.
  • Jul 6, 2022, 06:15 AM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    They’ve been shirking that responsibility for decades, weakening their own powers, and they want to continue.
    Exactly . Also the executive makes EO and the administrative state complies or not at their own whim. You saw that clearly in the Trump Ukraine impeachment where unelected bureaucrats and diplomats were monitoring the President's call and deciding that the Chief Executive was violating US policy as they had designed it
  • Jul 6, 2022, 06:25 AM
    jlisenbe
    Vital point not to be missed. "US policy as they had designed it"


    Different topic. Hmmm. Hope is waning.
    Quote:

    Oh, never fear. You'll get your desperately wanted "legal solution". Apr 24, 2022, 01:22 PM
  • Jul 16, 2022, 03:27 PM
    tomder55
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FXy42ibU...pg&name=medium
  • Jul 16, 2022, 04:06 PM
    Wondergirl
    Although no historical evidence exists to confirm Plymouth Rock as the Pilgrims' actual steppingstone to the New World, the boulder was identified as this spot in 1741, 121 years after the arrival of the Mayflower," the town says on its website.
    However, the rock has moved since then -- and it does not disprove the science of climate change.

    Rock has been split, moved

    In the book "Plymouth Rock's Own Story," historian Jim Baker wrote that the monument has been moved and manipulated throughout its history.
    Baker says the rock offers "probably no useful evidence" about sea-level rise since it has been "raised and lowered several times," according to a statement sent to AFP by a Plymouth spokesperson.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/to...ise/ar-AAZzsEs
  • Jul 16, 2022, 07:44 PM
    jlisenbe
    Interesting catch, WG. That was a worthwhile link.

    The whole issue of rising sea levels is, as I understand it, difficult to document, and especially when you're talking about a few centimeters over several decades.
  • Jul 17, 2022, 04:28 AM
    tomder55
    The elite left is so concerned that they all own beach front mansions . This is Clueless Joes little get-away . American taxpayers paid almost $500,000 to install a fence around it .
    https://www.capegazette.com/sites/ca...se+updated.JPG
  • Jul 17, 2022, 05:25 AM
    jlisenbe
    Liberal dems are convinced that fences and walls don't work. They don't work, that is, unless they are put up around their own property.

    But couldn't someone simply tunnel under the fence'"? Or couldn't someone climb over the fence???
  • Jul 21, 2022, 12:37 PM
    tomder55
    Yesterday Clueless said he has cancer and he blamed it on oil slicks in Delaware .


    "That’s why I and so damn many other people I grew up with have cancer and why for the longest time Delaware had the highest cancer rate in the nation,”


    Today the WH walked it back and said that he was referring to minor “non-melanoma skin cancers” he had removed before he took office.

    He said it in the present tense not a procedure from over a year ago. His doctor Dr. Kevin O’Connor, attributed his skin cancer to time in the sun, rather than exposure to chemicals used by the oil industry.

    Flashback ..........October of last year ..

    We used to get up in the morning — not a joke — and I’d get driven to the little school I went, up the street; turn on the windshield wiper in the fall — in the fall, the first frost, and literally there’d be an oil slick on the window. Not a joke. An oil slick on the window. It’s why an awful lot of us, including me, have bronchial asthma.

    Remarks by President Biden at the 10th Anniversary Celebration of the Dedication of the Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., Memorial | The White House

    So he has bronchial asthma and skin cancer because of Delaware oil slicks .

    I wonder if he blames his dementia on oil slicks ?
  • Jul 21, 2022, 12:54 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Liberal dems are convinced that fences and walls don't work. They don't work, that is, unless they are put up around their own property.

    But couldn't someone simply tunnel under the fence'"? Or couldn't someone climb over the fence???

    Yes, thus fences are only decorative.
  • Jul 21, 2022, 01:02 PM
    tomder55
    So a security fence was constructed around his property for the decoration value ?

    And this is the decorative fence they put around the Capitol after Jan 6

    https://media.npr.org/assets/img/202...-s1100-c50.jpg
  • Jul 21, 2022, 01:25 PM
    tomder55
    so ok he does not have cancer . But the double masked quadrupled vaxed Pres has covid. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FYMtmKkV...jpg&name=small

    I pray for him to have a speedy recovery .
  • Jul 21, 2022, 02:29 PM
    jlisenbe
    Don't they know that fences can be "climbed" and "tunneled under"???
  • Jul 21, 2022, 02:31 PM
    Wondergirl
    Yep, you can get covid even after vaxes and boosters.
  • Jul 21, 2022, 03:39 PM
    tomder55
    But but Clueless told us a year ago you can't get it if you are jabbed .

    Video of Biden Saying Vaccinations Prevent COVID Resurfaces After Infection (newsweek.com)
  • Jul 21, 2022, 03:47 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    But but Clueless told us a year ago you can't get it if you are jabbed .

    Video of Biden Saying Vaccinations Prevent COVID Resurfaces After Infection (newsweek.com)

    And what did we not know about covid a year ago that we know now? And that will change during the next year as we learn more.
  • Jul 21, 2022, 04:05 PM
    jlisenbe
    An out given to Biden that you would never have given to Trump.
  • Jul 21, 2022, 04:23 PM
    tomder55
    a year ago we knew the vax would not prevent getting covid. Lib Fact checker did the best they could to cover for him .But they could not excuse the comment

    Did Biden Say You Won't Get COVID if You're Vaccinated? | Snopes.com
  • Jul 21, 2022, 05:08 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    a year ago we knew the vax would not prevent getting covid. Lib Fact checker did the best they could to cover for him .But they could not excuse the comment

    Did Biden Say You Won't Get COVID if You're Vaccinated? | Snopes.com

    You hate that site.
  • Jul 21, 2022, 07:24 PM
    jlisenbe
    If Snopes decides against a liberal, then you can take it to the bank.
  • Jul 22, 2022, 02:14 AM
    tomder55
    The point is that at the time Clueless made the comment ,it was well established that the vax did not prevent getting covid .


    I don't hate them . Most fact checker sites are biased . I see them for what they are . It must've been a very bitter pill for them to swallow to say a lib President was wrong.

    How many times do I reference the Compost and the Slimes ? It would be easy for me the quote Fox and other right sites . I find when I do the source gets attacked rather than the argument . Also I never trust a single source and always look at multiple ones before making an opinion.
  • Jul 22, 2022, 04:33 AM
    tomder55
    Clueless Joe is girding up to lay a bunch of draconian executive orders on the
    US and an economy that is reeling on the verge of a recession or worse.
    His justification is the "clear and present danger" of the “Code red for humanity” climate crisis .

    “As President, I have a responsibility to act with urgency and resolve when our nation faces clear and present danger. And that’s what climate change is about. It is literally, not figuratively, a clear and present danger.”......The health of our citizens and our communities is literally at stake.”

    Remarks by President Biden on Actions to Tackle the Climate Crisis | The White House

    He has elevated the already hysterical Cassandra warnings from being years away to imminent.

    “Our national security is at stake as well. Extreme weather is already damaging our military installations here in the States. And our economy is at risk.”.....“Climate change is literally an existential threat to our nation and to the world.”.....“Let me be clear: Climate change is an emergency.”
    “When it comes to fighting the climate change -- climate change, I will not take no for an answer.”.....
    “If we don’t keep it below 1.5 degrees Centigrade, we lose it all. We don’t get to turn it around. And the world is counting on us.”
    .

    In other words ;any act no matter how unconstitutional is justified because the world is counting on the US to act to save it's future.

    Clueless Joe to the rescue !

    “In the coming weeks, I’m going to use the power I have as President to turn these words into formal, official government actions through the appropriate proclamations, executive orders, and regulatory power that a President possesses.”

    He says he has to do this because the people we elect to represent us in Congress refuse to bow to his demands .

    What he is describing is monarchical absolute authority .....something we rebelled against in the late 18th century .
  • Jul 27, 2022, 05:38 AM
    tomder55
    Just a thought . If you are buying a beach front property ;or you are buying a home in the highlands not near any water ;the mortgage rates are the same regardless of the location. There is no premium paid for taking the risk of buying a coastal home. The loans are mostly for a 30 year duration. Banks would not be making such risky loans if they thought the house was going to be washed out to sea in the next 30 years . I also assume that the emperor ,Clueless Joe and especially Bill Gates would not be making such an investment if they thought climate change would destroy their homes .
  • Jul 27, 2022, 06:21 AM
    jlisenbe
    I have no problem accepting that CO2 levels are considerably higher now than 100 years ago, and that the burning of fossil fuels is the prime contributor to that. But you have to remember that CO2 is a tiny fraction of atmospheric gases and is by no means the primary greenhouse gas, so how much that will raise global temps is hard to figure. At any rate, the question is what to do about it. Other than nuclear, I don't see any solution. Wind can be a minor contributor, though the cost is a problem. I don't see solar being a major player due to those pesky cloudy days and dark nights. Natural gas seems to be the least polluting of the carbon-based fuels and thankfully we have a lot of it, but it doesn't work well for transportation.

    The problem now is that the green movement is largely filled with non-thinkers like AOC, Warren, and Al Gore. And with a population that is more and more accepting of the idea that a man can be a woman as long as he really, really believes he is one, then we are setup for just about anything. I'm convinced that most of the green movement is populated by people who believe in it for no other reason than it makes them feel good.
  • Jul 27, 2022, 06:26 AM
    tomder55
    I think the Goracle knows what is real . He just saw an opportunity to make a killing by creating a carbon trading market ;along with ethanol. He admitted that the ethanol scam was not real .

    Al Gore: Votes, not science, led me to back corn ethanol (nbcnews.com)
  • Jul 27, 2022, 06:49 AM
    jlisenbe
    And now that the price of gasoline is sky high, you would think that someone would suggest removing the fed subsidies for it under that general idea that if ethanol can't make it on its own now, then we just need to go back to eating corn. The problem is the Iowa primary and how that would affect its voters.

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