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  • Feb 6, 2022, 03:03 PM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    Books have been banned
    Please be specific.

    If you believe the Bible, homosexual behavior is sin. Even if you don't believe the Bible, it is against the clear design of nature.

    There is no porn in the Bible.

    I've already told you we discussed "gender issues" with our kids. My grandchild is 15 months old.
  • Feb 6, 2022, 03:28 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    If you believe the Bible, homosexual behavior is sin. Even if you don't believe the Bible, it is against the clear design of nature.

    "The clear design of nature" went topsy-turvy in Genesis 3, and unlimited possibilities began.
    Quote:

    There is no porn in the Bible.
    Read the Bible.
    Quote:

    I've already told you we discussed "gender issues" with our kids.
    Please give a summary.
  • Feb 6, 2022, 03:31 PM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    Please be specific.
    If you can't be specific, then you really should abandon the argument.

    Your assessment of Genesis 3 has no support in the Bible unless you are prepared to say that those possibilities are sin.

    Have read the Bible many, many times. No porn.

    I'm not going to give a summary. It would be silly and pointless.
  • Feb 6, 2022, 03:57 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Have read the Bible many, many times. No porn.

    Here's one instance:

    Genesis 19. Drunken Lot and his two daughters in a cave.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    I'm not going to give a summary. It would be silly and pointless.

    Silly and pointless because it never happened.
  • Feb 6, 2022, 03:58 PM
    jlisenbe
    There are no graphic descriptions of sex and the story does not have the objective of simply arousing sexual desire. Most people find the account to be offensive and sinful as well they should. It is decidedly not porn. If that's the best you have, then you are finished.

    You need to read a definition of what porn is.
  • Feb 6, 2022, 04:05 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    There are no graphic descriptions of sex and the story does not have the objective of simply arousing sexual desire. Most people find the account to be offensive and sinful as well they should. It is decidedly not porn. If that's the best you have, then you are finished.

    You need to read a definition of what porn is.

    Reading erotic fiction and non-fiction et al. causes the creation of pictures in one's head thus, Sunday School and Bible class teachers avoid this story (and others).
  • Feb 6, 2022, 04:52 PM
    jlisenbe
    I guess you think the story of Lot and his daughters is erotic. Pretty sure the average person does not since they regard a man getting his own daughters pregnant to be sickening. I've never seen anyone avoid this story. The lesson is very valuable.

    We have reached our usual impasse. I wish you the best in your life and the hubster as well. God bless your family.
  • Feb 6, 2022, 07:13 PM
    tomder55
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    To Kill a Mockingbird: Challenged at the Moss Point, Miss. School District (1996) because the novel contains a racial epithet. Banned from the Lindale,Tex. advanced placement English reading list (1996) because the book "conflicted with the values of the community." Challenged by a Glynn County, Ga. (2001) school board member because of profanity. The novel was retained. Returned to the freshman reading list at Muskogee, Okla. High School (2001) despite complaints over the years from black students and parents about racial slurs in the text. Challenged in the Normal, ILL Community High Schools sophomore literature class (2003) as being degrading to African Americans. Challenged at the Stanford Middle School in Durham, N.C. (2004) because the 1961 Pulitzer Prize-winning novel uses the word "nigger."
    Source: 2004 Banned Books Resource Guide

    I linked to the most recent banning of Mockingbird which was within the month . It was a district in Seattle . It had nothing to do with the stereotype of what the south was in 1996 .
  • Feb 6, 2022, 07:21 PM
    Wondergirl
    Yep, tomder. I posted all that in #38.
  • Feb 6, 2022, 07:39 PM
    tomder55
    you reference 2004 banned books list . I was referencing the banning of Mockingbird by a liberal district in this school year .

    Mukilteo School District removes ‘To Kill a Mockingbird’ from required reading list | The Seattle Times

    Banned and challenged for racial slurs and their negative effect on students, featuring a “white savior” character, and its perception of the Black experience.
  • Feb 6, 2022, 07:46 PM
    jlisenbe
    There is a vast difference between removing a book from a required reading list versus “banning” it.
  • Feb 7, 2022, 10:08 AM
    tomder55
    Truck Freedom convoy going international

    Worldwide Movement: Massive Freedom Convoy Formed in Helsinki, Finland - [your]NEWS (yournews.com)

    Protests highlight Finnish frustrations at ongoing COVID restrictions | Euronews


    Canada’s ‘Freedom Convoy’ inspires protests abroad | The Star

    Police Go After Australians Protesting for Medical Freedom – PJ Media
  • Feb 7, 2022, 02:45 PM
    jlisenbe
    Amazing how my view of the Aussies has changed over the past couple of years.
  • Feb 8, 2022, 07:29 PM
    tomder55
    Alberta is the 1st province to cave .

    COVID-19 Live Updates: News on coronavirus in Calgary for Feb. 8 | Calgary Herald
  • Feb 8, 2022, 08:01 PM
    jlisenbe
    Fantastic. It's time to move on.
  • Feb 14, 2022, 08:00 AM
    tomder55
    convoy freedom israel trucks are coming in - YouTube

    France: Police fire tear gas to stop ‘Freedom Convoy’ in Paris - YouTube

    New Zealand police arrest Covid trucker protesters as Canada 'freedom convoy' spreads (nbcnews.com)

    ‘Freedom Convoy’ Rally in Belgium’s La Louviere Before Hitting Road to Brussels - YouTube

    COVID-19: Thousands in Austria protest mandatory vaccines, restrictions - YouTube
  • Feb 18, 2022, 07:39 PM
    tomder55
    demonstrators trampled by Canadian mounted police .

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FL6tHBaX...jpg&name=small

    The Vigilant Fox 🦊 on Twitter: "Ottawa Police Horses Trample Protestors Increasing Tensions Between Protestors and Police Credit: https://t.co/54dcfpPRvY https://t.co/yAbVsAQcsn" / Twitter
  • Feb 18, 2022, 08:03 PM
    tomder55
    Trudeau's Deputy and Finance Minister , Chrystia Freeland, is also a director of Klaus Schwab’s World Economic Forum which is best known as the entity behind all those rick people's meetings at Davos ,

    She says she plans to make Canada's emergency powers permanent.



    not inklessPW �� on Twitter: "Just now Chrystia Freeland details how some Emergency Act powers will be made permanent. (we actually thought she might wait a few days before enacting a permanent police state) https://t.co/HavsTUeo0P" / Twitter
  • Feb 19, 2022, 07:05 AM
    tomder55
    https://scontent-atl3-2.xx.fbcdn.net...pg&oe=62154EB3
  • Feb 20, 2022, 04:54 AM
    tomder55
    This is how the Mounties flatten the curve
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FL6tHBaX...jpg&name=small

    Image shows 2 people trampled One is a man in a brown coat. The other is an elderly woman in a red coat and a walker . video footage here
    Daniel James Dulhunty on Twitter: "Another camera angle of the incident shows the elderly woman trampled by police horse in Ottawa. https://t.co/xrK4s5JHoX" / Twitter
  • Feb 20, 2022, 11:03 AM
    Wondergirl
    They weren't trampled. Look closely. The horse hopped over them. Both were helped up and then walked away, the woman with a person assisting her. (And why was an elderly woman -- using a wheeled walker (mobility scooter) -- in the front row of protesters???)
  • Feb 20, 2022, 11:50 AM
    tomder55
    The woman's name is Candice Sero ,She is an indigenous Mohawk and had every right to be at the protest. She was there to support the fight against vaccine mandates. She doesn't appear to be in the" front row" as the Mounties drove a wedge through the crowd . The trampling she took was enough to send her to the hospital with a shoulder injury. She has been released .
  • Feb 20, 2022, 11:54 AM
    Wondergirl
    I didn't say she had no right to be there. Her fall to the pavement was enough to cause a shoulder injury. Again, she was NOT trampled!
  • Feb 20, 2022, 12:21 PM
    jlisenbe
    Unfortunately for her, she was not a BLM protestor. If that had been the case, then the story would be at the top of every news site for a week. Being merely a conservative, we are instead assured that she was NOT trampled.
  • Feb 20, 2022, 12:38 PM
    Wondergirl
    Trampled is trampled. Knocked over is knocked over.
  • Feb 20, 2022, 12:43 PM
    jlisenbe
    And wrong is wrong. When the border patrol agents were NOT using split reins to whip illegal border crossers, you had a fit, but when mounted police basically run over a peaceful protestor using a walker, you seem to be fine with that. Strange.

    Your point is fair enough. She apparently was not trampled (walked on by the horse), but instead was violently knocked over by the horse. Are we to feel better about that?
  • Feb 20, 2022, 12:45 PM
    Wondergirl
    Not true. I hadn't reacted as you claim. Stop trying to start a war with me.

    The horse bumped up against her (want me to tell you how fragilely balanced a woman on a walker is?), then the horse behind that horse jumped over her fallen body. Apparently, you've never ridden a horse that has an obstacle on the ground in front of it.
  • Feb 20, 2022, 01:35 PM
    tomder55
    100,000 trucks in the protest throughout the country . No stores looted . No arson incidents , So far the only violence I've seen is the Mounties riding their horses through protesters and over protesters ;and a terrorist attack on a gas link pipeline by eco -terrorists wielding axes that caused $millions in damage But son of Fidel ,Justin Trudeau ,thinks the truckers are the terrorists .
    'This has gone way too far': Investigators begin probing violent attack on Coastal GasLink site | Financial Post

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMEEr1xX...png&name=small


    She drinks Tim Hortons Coffee . The best brand I've tasted .
  • Feb 20, 2022, 01:41 PM
    Wondergirl
    They (the truckers) started it! And in doing so, they made fools of themselves and messed up the economy even worse than it was. There are much more constructive ways to protest.
  • Feb 20, 2022, 02:02 PM
    tomder55
    yeah I know ...... <sarc> mostly peaceful </sarc>
  • Feb 20, 2022, 02:05 PM
    Wondergirl
    Good luck finding stuff on your shopping list.
  • Feb 20, 2022, 02:30 PM
    jlisenbe
    Like I said earlier, if this was a BLM protest with burning buildings and the destruction of private and public property with mounted police injuring protestors, then the liberals would be singing a different tune.

    Quote:

    They (the truckers) started it
    I imagine the Brits used the same argument against the Boston Tea Party patriots.
  • Feb 20, 2022, 02:31 PM
    tomder55
    I did not hear you raise this concern when truckers were prevented from picking up freight in California ports .

    There were supply chain shortages before the trucker protest . Ironically one of the reasons they are protesting is that they WANT TO DO THEIR JOBS ;but are deprived from crossing the border without draconian unnecessary vax mandates .

    I had a simple rule in my plant . Truckers were to back up to the bay with their trailer open . My warehouse people were to off load or load the cargo . Truckers were allowed into the plant to 1 . inspect their trailer after the load/off load 2 . To sign off on invoices and BOLs . 3. Use the bathrooms . When they entered the plant they signed waivers and had a temperature test .
    There was almost no exposure in the plant because of truckers . So I was not concerned about their vax status .

    Besides back in the early days of covid ,truckers were vital "essential " workers and were given many waivers from the rules the government imposed on the rest of the nation.

    Something happened and the power we gave the government went to their heads .Essential workers of the past are now demonized . Meanwhile the CDC lies and withholds vital information to policy makers .

    The C.D.C. Isn’t Publishing Large Portions of the Covid Data It Collects - The New York Times (nytimes.com)
  • Feb 20, 2022, 02:34 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Like I said earlier. If this was a BLM protest with burning buildings and the destruction of private and public property with mounted police injuring protestors, then the liberals would be singing a different tune.

    BLM protest? Fine.

    Burning buildings and the destruction of private and public property? Nope. Opportunists at work.
  • Feb 20, 2022, 02:45 PM
    jlisenbe
    Isn't that exactly what the truckers are doing? A protest with no burning buildings and no destruction of property, and still we've yet to see you post, "Fine."
  • Feb 20, 2022, 03:02 PM
    Wondergirl
    No destruction of property? How about no interference with traffic and city life and commerce? Wonder why car prices are sky high?

    As I posted earlier in this thread, there are much more constructive ways to protest.
  • Feb 20, 2022, 03:53 PM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    How about no interference with traffic and city life and commerce?
    Did not hear such concern when the Occupy movement and the CHOP in Seattle and various occupation zones like the one by city hall in NYC were ongoing .
  • Feb 20, 2022, 04:05 PM
    jlisenbe
    Exactly correct. It's all politically driven.
  • Feb 20, 2022, 04:05 PM
    tomder55
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMD_xIJW...jpg&name=small
  • Feb 20, 2022, 04:12 PM
    tomder55
    Here is Son of Fidel Trudeau taking the knee against police brutality
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMDgwATX...jpg&name=small

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