Wow. Sounds like BLM, Antifa, and the Occupy movement. All of them were/are liberal dems.Quote:
Spreading poop and spraying pee on walls and floors, trashing offices, bashing windows and people with gun butts et al., and for what purpose?
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Wow. Sounds like BLM, Antifa, and the Occupy movement. All of them were/are liberal dems.Quote:
Spreading poop and spraying pee on walls and floors, trashing offices, bashing windows and people with gun butts et al., and for what purpose?
Actually, no. Only the January 6 idiots spread poop and pee (trying to make a point about the Dems).
Thank you for admitting it was a riot and not an insurrection. There is some evidence that there were instigators from outside organizations, professional agitators, and possibly by Federal agents attempting entrapment (ala the Whitmer kidnap plot model) .Quote:
Spreading poop and spraying pee on walls and floors, trashing offices, bashing windows and people with gun butts et al., and for what purpose?
Yes they were fools and morons . They were no John Brown; admired by the left for leading a violent insurrection, or Daniel Shay who's followers angry about taxes ,attacked an armory .
The Jan 6 rioters had no plan . And in the extremely unlikely chance that their actions could've intimidated Congress into handing the Presidency to Trump there would've been a 100 folds response by the left's agitators who are well versed in using political violence to impose their will.
You need to refresh your memory on the Occupy movements. AT any rate, spreading poop and pee does not even come close to amounting to an insurrection.Quote:
Only the January 6 idiots spread poop and pee
Federal authorities won't say why armed Capitol rioters disappeared from FBI's most wanted list | Washington ExaminerQuote:
One unidentified man wore an earpiece during the riot and was filmed carrying what appeared to be a concealed handgun on his left hip. The man was pictured on the FBI's most wanted list for over five months until he was removed without explanation on the same day the New York Times reported an FBI informant was at the Capitol on Jan. 6.
DC Mayor Told Law Enforcement To Stand Down Day Before Capitol Riot (thefederalist.com)Quote:
“To be clear, the District of Columbia is not requesting other federal law enforcement personnel and discourages any additional deployment without immediate notification to, and consultation with, MPD if such plans are underway,” Bowser wrote in a letter to acting U.S. Attorney General Jeffrey Rosen, acting Secretary of Defense Chris Miller, and Secretary of the Army Ryan D. McCarthy.
and why did Capitol Police at the main entrances open the doors and invite the protesters into the Capitol ?
Watch The Capitol Police Open The Doors And Invite Protesters In (thefederalist.com)
This video you linked is amazing. I wonder what the explanation is?
https://twitter.com/i/status/1347596278583197698
At any rate, the rioters should be arrested and charged, just like BLM and Antifa rioters should be arrested and charged. But if that was an insurrection, it was a pitiful attempt at it.
VP Harris' well thought-out view of the situation.
Note to Harris. Twenty years from now, only a relative few, wildly committed liberal dems will think about 1/6. EVERYONE thinks about Pearl Harbor and 9/11.Quote:
"Certain dates echo throughout history … Including dates that instantly remind all who have lived them where they were and what they were doing when our democracy came under assault. Dates that occupy not only a place on our calendar but a place in our collective memory. Dec. 7, 1941, Sept. 11, 2001, and Jan. 6, 2021," she said.
This will doubtless bring consternation to the hearts of some on this site.https://www.reuters.com/world/us/exc...es-2021-08-20/Quote:
washington, aug 20 (reuters) - the FBI has found scant evidence that the jan. 6 attack on the u.s. Capitol was the result of an organized plot to overturn the presidential election result, according to four current and former law enforcement officials.
Though federal officials have arrested more than 570 alleged participants, the FBI at this point believes the violence was not centrally coordinated by far-right groups or prominent supporters of then-president donald trump, according to the sources, who have been either directly involved in or briefed regularly on the wide-ranging investigations.
Something for the purpose of comparison.
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The 1954 United States Capitol shooting was an attack on March 1, 1954, by four Puerto Rican nationalists who sought to promote the cause of Puerto Rico's independence from US rule. They fired 30 rounds from semi-automatic pistols onto the legislative floor from the Ladies' Gallery (a balcony for visitors) of the House of Representatives chamber within the United States Capitol.
The nationalists, identified as Lolita Lebrón, Rafael Cancel Miranda, Andres Figueroa Cordero, and Irvin Flores Rodríguez, unfurled a Puerto Rican flag and began shooting at Representatives in the 83rd Congress, who were debating an immigration bill. Five Representatives were wounded, one seriously, but all recovered. The assailants were arrested, tried and convicted in federal court, and given long sentences, amounting to life imprisonment. In 1978 and 1979, their sentences were commuted by President Jimmy Carter.[2] All four returned to Puerto Rico.
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The 1983 U.S. Senate bombing was a bomb explosion at the United States Senate on November 7, 1983, motivated by United States military involvement in Lebanon and Grenada. The attack led to heightened security in the DC metropolitan area, and the inaccessibility of certain parts of the Senate Building. Six members of the radical far-left Resistance Conspiracy were arrested in May 1988 and charged with the bombing, as well as related bombings of Fort McNair and the Washington Navy Yard which occurred April 25, 1983, and April 20, 1984, respectively.
Added note: Their sentences were commuted by Bill Clinton.
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VP Harris' well thought view of the situation.
"Certain dates echo throughout history … Including dates that instantly remind all who have lived them where they were and what they were doing when our democracy came under assault. Dates that occupy not only a place on our calendar but a place in our collective memory. Dec. 7, 1941, Sept. 11, 2001, and Jan. 6, 2021," she said.
Note to Harris. Twenty years from now, only a relative few, wildly committed liberal dems will think about 1/6. EVERYONE thinks about Pearl Harbor and 9/11.
Yes Kam the Sham's comments are clownish . Clueless Joe's were dangerous . He conflated the riot to Dem's attempts to nationalize elections .
“Right now, in state after state, new laws are being written not to protect the vote, but to deny it. Not only to suppress the vote, but to subvert it,”
Remarks By President Biden To Mark One Year Since The January 6th Deadly Assault On The U.S. Capitol | The White House
The new rules are only restrictive when compared to the free for all rules the Dems favor that place no accountability of the franchise. Was it democratic for key battleground states to change election laws outside the bounds of their constitutions ?
Clueless went further claiming that with few exceptions the Republican party opposes democracy and are anti-American .
“While some courageous men and women in the Republican Party are standing against it, trying to uphold the principle of that party, too many others are transforming that party into something else. They seem no longer to want to be the party of Lincoln, Eisenhower, Reagan, the Bushes.”
In other words the Dems are pro-democracy and the Republicans aren't .That is the banner they will take with them into the mid-terms .
Does it matter that Evita to this day rails against the democratic results of the 2016 elections ? Does it matter that she advised Clueless to not accept any close outcome that would've had Trump reelected ? Does it matter that Stacey Abrams has claimed to be thereal governor of Georgia since she lost ?
What do the 2020 riots that the Dems rhetorically supported say about their devotion to the democratic process when there were over 2,000 police injured ,17 killed ;court houses torched ,damages in the $ billions . ?
Maybe the terrorist right wingers didn't PLAN the events of 1/6, but others DID, and the zeal of repubs to minimize it, and ignore it smells like a cover up. Peter Navarro was on national news touting his great 'green bay sweep' strategy that Pence ruined by not doing as he and the dufus wanted and the committee wants to know from Sean Hannitty more about those plans.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Bet even repub lawmakers will remember the events of 1/6 and how scared they were.
The insurrectionists thought Trump did since he had said he was going to lead their march to take over and reclaim the presidency. Too bad they didn't know he was watching them on tv (in a safe place) instead.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
The FBI does not agree with you.Quote:
but others DID
The FBI also does not agree with you. And the idea that Trump intended to "reclaim the presidency" by some sort of violence has no support whatever. It's just TDS at work.Quote:
The insurrectionists thought Trump did since he had said he was going to lead their march to take over and reclaim the presidency.
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Though federal officials have arrested more than 570 alleged participants, the FBI at this point believes the violence was not centrally coordinated by far-right groups or prominent supporters of then-president donald trump, according to the sources, who have been either directly involved in or briefed regularly on the wide-ranging investigations.
Be Civil.
Who is that directed at?Quote:
Be Civil.
All of you.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
As the old say goes if the hat fits....
Not about point scoring or binary positions.
Fair enough, but with all due respect, I would think these hats would've fit.
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Your analysis of the outcome of the 1/6 investigation is loony, and we all know the right wing shenanigans based on lies to influence every election.
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MTG's investigation is laughable and her suspension was done by social media providers not the dems. Stop spinning so hard and you won't be dizzy and confused about simple FACTS.
Now I can handle all of that and I'm not complaining about the remarks, but I have to say that it does get confusing here trying to figure out what the definition of "civil" comes down to.Quote:
I love coming back here and seeing Jl of all people pontificating about the truth. This from a character who thinks the entire human race drowned in a big flood and who thinks snakes can talk.
It doesn't get much better ...............
I for one am not much of a hat wearer .
I don't think I am, but I do realize that is not a universally held opinion here.
Did the dufus and others not tell Pence to not certify electon results or not? Did the dufus and others not organize and invite his supporters to the capltal or not? Show me where the FBI said he didn't do as I have said.
Nothing to see here was and still is a lie!
This hat is a bit tight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Curlyben
But you look so handsome! I love the way you pinch the brim of your fedora!Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
He had opinions from legal experts that said Pence's role could be more than just the ceremonial role Pence interpreted it to be . Trump thought that Pence could reject electors he thought were "fraudulently " chosen. That is an interpretation of the law ;not an insurrection. Trump and his supporters did indeed invite supporters to rally and demonstrate in DC . That also is not leading an insurrection .Quote:
Did the dufus and others not tell Pence to not certify electon results or not? Did the dufus and others not organize and invite his supporters to the capltal or not? Show me where the FBI said he didn't do as I have said.
Nothing to see here was and still is a lie!
As for precedence all you have to do is look at the 3 times in the 21st century that the Dems challenged the electoral college results In 2001, House Dems challenged the certification of electoral votes for G. W. Bush,The objection failed because no senator agreed to sign the written objection. To his credit ;Al Gore presided as VP over the certification of the results . Maxine Waters was a very vocal Democrat insurrectionist at the joint session (I use the now popular definition of an insurrection) She said “The objection is in writing, and I do not care that it is not signed by a member of the Senate,” Perhaps Pence took his cue from Gore . Gore told Waters “The chair will advise that the rules do care,”
Again in 2005 there were Dem challenges to GW Bush. Rep. Stephanie Tubbs Jones, D-Ohio, and then-Sen. Barbara Boxer, D-Calif., together in insurrection challenged Bush’s victory in Ohio on grounds of alleged voter irregularities. Changing that electoral result would've given the election to JFKerry .
Then in 2017 the Dems challenged Trump's electoral certification . This time Clueless Joe presided over the Senate . Again there were not enough votes in the Senate although clearly the attempt was made . The Dems pulled out their tried and well worn charge of voter suppression . They also pulled out the new Russia collusion hoax card .
Why didn't he stop it when it got out of hand?Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
That was a bad call on his part . What does that prove ?
And what would've happened if Trump deployed troops while Congress was in session debating the certification of an election that Trump had lost ?
Deploying troops or even National Guard into that event would have inflamed the situation and it would have ended worse then it did.
Trump could have condoned or calmed things alot earlier than he eventually did.
He'd been firing up his loyal supports for weeks before this event happened, and telegraphed the actions all over the socials in the run up.
From watching from the outside it was clear that this wasn't going to be a mere quiet demonstration, but something alot more deadly.
Yep! All he would have had to do was announce that plans had changed, so please quietly disperse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Curlyben
That was the 'bad call ' I referred toQuote:
Trump could have condoned or calmed things alot earlier than he eventually did.
Brings us back to my OP . Who gains ?Quote:
From watching from the outside it was clear that this wasn't going to be a mere quiet demonstration, but something alot more deadly.
It is 20 /20 hindsight to say it was clear that this was not a mere demonstration There was no indication that this would turn out worse than a demonstration ....and if so then why was the Capitol Police so unprepared ? Why did the Mayor of DC and Madam Mim call off the National Guard before the date ? Either it was not anticipated, or they fully expected it and let it happen to advance their agenda. It can't be both .
The link is on post 48. I'm not going to read it for you.Quote:
Show me where the FBI said he didn't do as I have said.
As to Trump stopping it, that was not his job. He didn't start it to begin with. It was the job of the Capitol cops to stop it. They are under the authority of the Congress. Blame them.
That just leaves the 187 minutes from the breach of the capital until the NG did arrive. That's part of what the investigation is about. Don't agree it would have been worse if they had been deployed sooner, but a valid point as to why they weren't there before...as they have been at other events. Still don't know who planted the bombs at the repub and dem hqs, and reviewing past shenanigans 1/6 was on steroids, far worse than previous events.
I shudder to think what would happen if Pence (Or McConnell) had gone along with this ploy and the dufus had the votes to send this to congress. Is the electoral college that fragile an institution?
Maybe you should reread it yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
If I do, that will be two times for me and zero times for you.Quote:
Maybe you should reread it yourself.
Don't see how you get that. The 1954 incident involved several men actually in the Congress firing weapons.Quote:
reviewing past shenanigans 1/6 was on steroids, far worse than previous events.
Thought you hated unnamed sources. Obviously not when they fit your narrative. I read your link and apologize for my inability to copy and paste or provide my own links at this time.
I don't like anonymous sources, but these FOUR sources were reliable enough for Reuters to trust them enough to run the story. The problem you have is that the article does not support your allegations. Many news services ran the story, so there must be at least something to it.
https://www.bing.com/search?PC=MQ03&...ot&FORM=MQ03DF
The truth seems to be this. Trump has become the man that many folks love to hate. They enjoy their hatred of him in the same way that many cons loved to hate Obama. So if a story contradicts their beloved narratives, then it just MUST be wrong.
Of course it was! He had whipped up a crowd that became a mob who wanted to help him get back the presidency. Jeepers! Watch the videos of his speeches that day.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
He did not start a riot. Jeepers! Watch the video of his speech where he encouraged his supporters to be peaceful in their protests. Miss that part?
Can you post any quote from Trump where he encouraged his supporters to be violent, or to enter the Capitol Building illegally? Have any quotes about that???
There is zero chance that would've happened .Quote:
I shudder to think what would happen if Pence (Or McConnell) had gone along with this ploy and the dufus had the votes to send this to congress. Is the electoral college that fragile an institution?
The history of the republic is clear . It survived the 1800 election when the republic was still in it's infancy and Congress had to decide the election . It survived the 1824 election decided in Congress . It survived the 1876 election decided in Congress. All contingencies are covered .
We even survived when Chi town Mafia Boss Sam Giancana rigged the Chi town vote to throw the election to JFK .
here are those dangerous people who you shudder about
https://scontent-atl3-2.xx.fbcdn.net...hQ&oe=61DE678F
I guess we'll see as the investigation proceeds and if repubs can keep protecting this lying cheating out of control bully yet again.
By then it was too late. He had wandered out of the WH after his 187 minutes of watching the insurrection and babbled that about being peaceful. Yeah, right!Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
He wanted his presidency restored. He had lost unfairly. Yes, I can find them.Quote:
Can you post any quote from Trump where he encouraged his supporters to be violent, or to enter the Capitol Building illegally? Have any quotes about that???
Here's a good summary leading up to and including the 6th:
https://www.poynter.org/fact-checkin...-capitol-riot/
not true . That comment was made during his address to the crowd . What you are refering to is his later tweet address . Of that I agree he was late to the game . But in no way did he give orders to attack the CapitolQuote:
By then it was too late. He had wandered out of the WH after his 187 minutes of watching the insurrection and babbled that about being peaceful. Yeah, right!
https://www.poynter.org/fact-checkin...-capitol-riot/Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
What Trump said before the riot
Trump’s final direction to supporters came during his “Save America” rally around noon Jan. 6, when he repeated his Pants on Fire claim that he won.
“Our country has had enough,” Trump told his supporters. “We will not take it anymore and that’s what this is all about. To use a favorite term that all of you people really came up with, we will stop the steal.”
The crowd later chanted: “Fight for Trump! Fight for Trump! Fight for Trump!” Trump thanked them.
Trump praised the crowd for traveling from across the nation and for “the extraordinary love.”
“We’re gathered together in the heart of our nation’s capital for one very, very basic and simple reason: to save our democracy,” Trump said.
Trump repeatedly said there was a need to “fight.” After he bashed “weak” Republicans and Biden, he said: “Unbelievable, what we have to go through, what we have to go through and you have to get your people to fight. If they don’t fight, we have to primary the hell out of the ones that don’t fight. You primary them. We’re going to let you know who they are, I can already tell you, frankly.”
He continued with the fighting metaphors: “Republicans are constantly fighting like a boxer with his hands tied behind his back. It’s like a boxer, and we want to be so nice. We want to be so respectful of everybody, including bad people. We’re going to have to fight much harder, and Mike Pence is going to have to come through for us. And if he doesn’t, that will be a sad day for our country because you’re sworn to uphold our constitution. Now it is up to Congress to confront this egregious assault on our democracy.”
Trump then invited the crowd to go to the Capitol.
“And after this, we’re going to walk down, and I’ll be there with you. We’re going to walk down. We’re going to walk down any one you want, but I think right here. We’re going to walk down to the Capitol, and we’re going to cheer on our brave senators, and congressmen and women. We’re probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them, because you’ll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength, and you have to be strong.”
Trump used the word “peacefully” once at his rally:
“We have come to demand that Congress do the right thing and only count the electors who have been lawfully slated, lawfully slated. I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard. Today we will see whether Republicans stand strong for integrity of our elections, but whether or not they stand strong for our country, our country. Our country has been under siege for a long time, far longer than this four-year period.”
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