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  • Jan 12, 2022, 04:11 PM
    Wondergirl
    Nope. Guess again.
  • Jan 12, 2022, 04:22 PM
    jlisenbe
    I'm not guessing.
  • Jan 12, 2022, 04:26 PM
    Athos
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    I'm not guessing.

    Obviously.
  • Jan 12, 2022, 04:34 PM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    Obviously
    You see? Even Athos is agreeing with me.

    How about some support here?

    Quote:

    We’ll go through the numbers.
    The CBO said in its Nov. 18 report that the House bill, not including revenue from the IRS enforcement provision, would cost $1.7 trillion in spending and bring in $1.3 trillion in revenue over 10 years, adding a net $367 billion to the deficit. But once we factor in a $207.2 billion revenue impact from the IRS provision — a CBO estimate — the net increase to the deficit is $160 billion over 10 years.
    The CBO’s report on provisions of the bill under the purview of the Committee on Ways and Means includes the $207.2 billion in the notes section, explaining that under its scorekeeping guidelines, it can’t include the IRS enforcement impact in the estimate of the legislation.
    The Treasury Department believes the impact from spending $80 billion over 10 years on increased IRS enforcement on the wealthy would garner about twice that: $400 billion, which, if correct, would make the Build Back Better Act “fully paid for.”
    Now even if the revenue and expenditure figures prove to be accurate, and of course they never do, then the bill will fall short of revenues. But even at that, in a time where we are falling into such a terrible hole of debt, then instead of controlling spending, we are proposing silly new spending bills. It's unbelievable. It's like telling an addict he needs to get more drugs.

    https://www.factcheck.org/2021/11/cbo-build-back-better-not-quite-fully-paid-for/
  • Jan 12, 2022, 04:38 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    You see? Even Athos is agreeing with me.

    Hahahahahaha!!! That's not what he's saying.
  • Jan 12, 2022, 04:44 PM
    Athos
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    You see? Even Athos is agreeing with me.

    When pigs fly.

    The Treasury Department believes the impact from spending $80 billion over 10 years on increased IRS enforcement on the wealthy would garner about twice that: $400 billion, which, if correct, would make the Build Back Better Act “fully paid for.”

    One way.
  • Jan 12, 2022, 04:44 PM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    Hahahahahaha!!! That's not what he's saying.
    Oh well. I notice you haven't bothered to dispute the CBO. I suppose that's progress of a sorts. You see, I was not guessing at all.
  • Jan 12, 2022, 05:25 PM
    Athos
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Oh well. I notice you haven't bothered to dispute the CBO. I suppose that's progress of a sorts. You see, I was not guessing at all.


    The Treasury Department believes the impact from spending $80 billion over 10 years on increased IRS enforcement on the wealthy would garner about twice that: $400 billion, which, if correct, would make the Build Back Better Act “fully paid for.”
  • Jan 12, 2022, 05:31 PM
    jlisenbe
    The CBO does not agree. At any rate, the current catastrophic deficit will continue. I guess you are ok with that?
  • Jan 12, 2022, 05:40 PM
    Athos
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    The CBO does not agree. At any rate, the current catastrophic deficit will continue. I guess you are ok with that?

    The CBO is not infallible.
  • Jan 12, 2022, 05:48 PM
    jlisenbe
    Neither is Biden. However, the CBO IS nonpartisan.
  • Jan 12, 2022, 06:57 PM
    Athos
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Neither is Biden. However, the CBO IS nonpartisan.

    Biden is trying to do the right thing for the people of Afghanistan. Time will tell.
  • Jan 12, 2022, 07:04 PM
    jlisenbe
    Build Back Better is for the Afghans?
  • Jan 12, 2022, 07:07 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Build Back Better is for the Afghans?

    It's more money supposedly being "misspent".
  • Jan 12, 2022, 07:28 PM
    jlisenbe
    This thread is not about the Afghans. It is about BBB.
  • Jan 12, 2022, 09:33 PM
    Athos
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    This thread is not about the Afghans. It is about BBB.

    Sorry, wrong thread. Too much going on at the same time.
  • Jan 13, 2022, 04:14 AM
    jlisenbe
    No problem. It has been busy.
  • Jan 13, 2022, 04:42 AM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    Biden is trying to do the right thing for the people of Afghanistan. Time will tell.
    By abruptly punching the clock and leaving the people of Afghanistan to the mercies of radical jihadists terrorists . Good job Clueless Joe !
  • Jan 13, 2022, 04:43 AM
    jlisenbe
    It's amazing that people here still try to defend him. I wonder how many weapons that 300 mil is going to buy?
  • Jan 13, 2022, 04:45 AM
    tomder55
    We already left enough hardware behind to make the Taliban the most armed terrorist group in the ummah .
  • Jan 13, 2022, 04:47 AM
    jlisenbe
    Thank you, Mr. Biden. But to be fair, he's doing great on inflation and reining in fed spending. [SARC]
  • Jan 13, 2022, 04:57 AM
    tomder55
    Yeah I saw them brag that inflation last month wasn't as bad as November .
  • Jan 13, 2022, 05:23 AM
    Athos
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    Yeah I saw them brag that inflation last month wasn't as bad as November .

    That happens to be true.
  • Jan 13, 2022, 06:01 AM
    tomder55
    Don't worry about inflation . Inflation is now good according to the compliant press .

    Quote:

    But on the whole, inflation can actually be a good thing for many working-class Americans — especially those with fixed-rate debt like a 30-year mortgage. That's because wages are going up, which not only empowers workers but also gives them more money to pay down debt. Plus, in the case of a mortgage, your monthly payment will be the same but your house will increase in value.
    And many of the people taking a bath when prices rise are higher-net-worth people who hold the vast majority of government bonds.


    The trouble is, you're not going to feel the upside immediately.

    Brings back memories

    Watch Saturday Night Live Highlight: Jimmy Carter on Inflation Cold Open - NBC.com



    Why inflation can actually be good for everyday Americans and bad for rich people - CNN
  • Jan 13, 2022, 06:40 AM
    Athos
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    Don't worry about inflation . Inflation is now good according to the compliant press .

    And according to economists depending on the circumstances. And depending on the rate. A certain moderate rate can be good.

    SNL has often put on brilliant social commentary skits.

    Your "compliant press" is a misnomer. Just a piece of bias since it tells the truth which is increasingly going against the republican idea of government. The press is one of the most powerful shields we have against a bad government.
  • Jan 13, 2022, 12:51 PM
    tomder55
    moderate rate

    not the highest rate in over 40 years .
  • Jan 13, 2022, 01:37 PM
    jlisenbe
    I have noticed one thing held in common by both the hard core Trump and Biden supporters. They cannot bring themselves to say a negative word about their pres. So the highest inflation rate in 40 years can be dismissed as merely being moderate.

    I suspect we ain't seen nothin yet. It could get into the "high-moderate" range before much longer.
  • Jan 13, 2022, 07:17 PM
    talaniman
    Inflation can be managed. Not like it was a surprise to anybody.
  • Jan 13, 2022, 07:57 PM
    jlisenbe
    At the highest in forty years, is it being managed now?
  • Jan 14, 2022, 07:52 AM
    talaniman
    A predictable spike and yes will be managed like the last spike. Don't panic. At least the dufus ain't in the WH no more.
  • Jan 14, 2022, 07:58 AM
    jlisenbe
    Average inflation with Trump was considerably below what we have now as was unemployment. I thought you like management?

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