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  • Jul 29, 2021, 05:55 PM
    jlisenbe
    Still haven’t seen an explanation as to why it’s anyone’s business but mine as to whether I get Vaxed.
  • Jul 29, 2021, 05:56 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Still haven’t seen an explanation as to why it’s anyone’s business but mine as to whether I get Vaxed.

    It isn't. Just don't leave your house if you aren't. We don't want you prolonging the pandemic -- and making people sick and killing them.
  • Jul 29, 2021, 06:04 PM
    jlisenbe
    Why shouldn’t I leave my house? How can I make people sick who are vaccinated?
  • Jul 29, 2021, 06:08 PM
    tomder55
    lol J don't you see ? someone else has to decide how much liberty you are allowed.

    They think we forget that during the campaign Quid and Kam the Sham was the ones peddling distrust of the vaccines .
  • Jul 29, 2021, 06:13 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Why shouldn’t I leave my house? How can I make people sick who are vaccinated?

    What if the people you interact with haven't had and refuse to get the vaccination? You don't know who has gotten it and who hasn't.
  • Jul 29, 2021, 06:34 PM
    jlisenbe
    Then that’s the risk they choose to take. Why is that anyone’s business but theirs?
  • Jul 29, 2021, 07:08 PM
    paraclete
    I suspected you were a dill, but I didn't expect you to provide the evidence, Thank you
  • Jul 29, 2021, 07:10 PM
    jlisenbe
    Dumb comments aren’t answers. Try thinking a little and see if you can answer the question. Unlikely, but you might get lucky.
  • Jul 29, 2021, 08:15 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Then that’s the risk they choose to take. Why is that anyone’s business but theirs?

    So you refuse to get vaccinated, and go out and about being a super spreader. I understand now.
  • Jul 29, 2021, 10:26 PM
    paraclete
    I am always lucky, I live in the lucky country, one that is far away from people like yourself. You think that argument for argument's sake is the way out of covid 19
  • Jul 30, 2021, 03:33 AM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/custom...quote_icon.png Originally Posted by tomder55 https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/custom...post-right.png
    a study published in The Lancet journal has found that the total antibody levels start to become weaker six weeks after completing immunisation



    Did you get vaccines (maybe smallpox and polio) when you were a baby? And the required booster shots as followup?




    When vaccines eradicate the flu or the common cold then get back to me .
  • Jul 30, 2021, 03:48 AM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    So you refuse to get vaccinated, and go out and about being a super spreader. I understand now.
    You understand nothing. I was vaccinated months ago. Still, you did answer the question back in post 42. "It isn't."

    Quote:

    I am always lucky, I live in the lucky country, one that is far away from people like yourself. You think that argument for argument's sake is the way out of covid 19
    More dumb comments but still no answer. Try thinking a little. If I choose to assume the risk of being non-vaxed, how would that be the business of the government of the U.S.? Or even in a semi-totalitarian country like Australia where people are growing accustomed to having ever fewer liberties, why should a non-vaxed person be subject to compulsory vaccination?

    Quote:

    lol J don't you see ? someone else has to decide how much liberty you are allowed.
    That does seem to be the order of the day. Interesting how liberal dems are so enthusiastic about the Trump vaccine.
  • Jul 30, 2021, 05:21 AM
    tomder55
    Now the Aussies are bringing in the military to enforce lockdowns . I rest my case .


    Sydney readies for the army as lockdown fails to squash Australia Delta outbreak (msn.com)
  • Jul 30, 2021, 06:25 AM
    paraclete
    The Australians are using the military to augment the local police and covid testing, this is nothing new, the military are often used in emergency situations. They are unarmed and part of the door to door checking. What the government has identified is there are too many idiots not heeding directions and prolonging the lockdown. What this means is you do not have the freedom to infect others

    you should be more concerned about the consequences of catching covid

    https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/he...245cca48298c7d
  • Jul 30, 2021, 06:32 AM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    The Australians are using the military to augment the local police and covid testing, this is nothing new.

    you should be more concerned about the consequences of catching covid
    Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. The military is now being used to enforce the will of the government, but that is of no real concern to sheeple. Be more concerned about becoming ill! Liberty means nothing.
  • Jul 30, 2021, 07:07 AM
    tomder55
    Yup the virus kicked my a$$ when I had it and long term effects are tbd . My 2 cents worth is that everyone should do what they can ;whether they have had it or not ,to strengthen your immune system .
  • Jul 30, 2021, 09:02 AM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    That does seem to be the order of the day. Interesting how liberal dems are so enthusiastic about the Trump vaccine.
    if enough people who have had the vaccine get infected then you may see the Dems call it the Trump vaccine again
  • Jul 30, 2021, 11:26 AM
    Athos
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    if enough people who have had the vaccine get infected then you may see the Dems call it the Trump vaccine again

    No one ever called it the Trump vaccine except the far-right wackos.
  • Jul 30, 2021, 02:09 PM
    jlisenbe
    Remember operation Warp-Speed, for which the Trump administration was responsible? Does anyone wonder why it would be called the Trump vaccine? One thing we can be sure of. If the vaccine had proven to be harmful or ineffective, it would be blamed on the Trump admin in a heartbeat.
  • Jul 30, 2021, 08:20 PM
    paraclete
    How quickly you get off track and divert the thread to you pet hate, Trump
  • Aug 18, 2021, 01:01 PM
    tomder55
    Sydney cops pepper spray 12 year old for not wearing a mask ..
    Covid: Western Sydney girl, 12, pepper sprayed as police arrest family for failing to wear a mask | Daily Mail Online


    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E9BNvjkX...g&name=900x900
  • Aug 18, 2021, 01:36 PM
    jlisenbe
    Those liberty loving Aussie are at it again!
  • Aug 18, 2021, 03:19 PM
    paraclete
    Wearing masks are specified, the type is not so we have the liberty to wear any mask we want to
  • Aug 18, 2021, 03:47 PM
    jlisenbe
    The brand of pepper spray is also not specified, so police have liberty to choose a brand of their own choice.
  • Aug 18, 2021, 05:33 PM
    paraclete
    Sometimes our police become a little frustrated, I'm sure you have encountered the syndrome where you live, liberty is not an excuse for civil disobedience whatever you might think. Trouble makers are always looking for an excuse and this pack got what they were asking for. Not the first time they have had caused trouble. Attitude is everything, and bad attitude will get you nowhere.

    there are some in this community who think they own the place and can do whatever they want
  • Aug 19, 2021, 04:24 AM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    this pack got what they were asking for.
    What "pack" was the 12 year old girl part of? You had unmasked police arresting people because...they weren't wearing masks. Now I know that, for you, since this happened in Australia where everything is bright and shiny, it is a textbook example of how laws and the police ought to operate. For the rest of us, it smells. And it's not like I have any problem with the cops enforcing laws or have any support for loud-mouthed families, but the law itself is ridiculous and puts the police in a tough spot.
  • Aug 19, 2021, 05:27 AM
    paraclete
    The law is a public health law duly enacted and accented and enforceable. What did these miscreates do, they assaulted police. Not acceptable anywhere. The question isn't whether the police wore masks the question is were they enforcing the law?

    let us be clear what you do there is up to you, what we do here is up to us
  • Aug 19, 2021, 07:08 AM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    The question isn't whether the police wore masks the question is were they enforcing the law?
    So you're saying it's OK for the police to break the law, but not the average citizen?

    Quote:

    let us be clear what you do there is up to you, what we do here is up to us
    Why don't you follow your own advice? A day doesn't go by but that you feel obliged to comment negatively on our country. Why doesn't that apply to you as well, that "what we do here is up to us"?
  • Aug 19, 2021, 04:50 PM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    So you're saying it's OK for the police to break the law, but not the average citizen?

    Why don't you follow your own advice? A day doesn't go by but that you feel obliged to comment negatively on our country. Why doesn't that apply to you as well, that "what we do here is up to us"?

    I don't know the police broke the law, there was an accusation they weren't wearing masks but they were outdoors so mask wearing might not have been mandatory in the situation. You comment negatively on my country obviously going out of your way to find negative articles however i don't have to look far to find negatives regarding yours
  • Aug 19, 2021, 07:10 PM
    jlisenbe
    It was not my article.

    You are clearly not inclined to follow your own advice. Why did you even bother to offer it to others?
  • Aug 19, 2021, 10:49 PM
    paraclete
    I'll offer some to you, have you been told today, consider yourself told

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