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Provided $1.9 trillion of relief to the American economy.
Increased federal minimum wage to $15/hr.
Restored funding to veterans programs that had been cut under Trump.
Money to the airline industry saving thousands of airline jobs.
Revoked a Trump order that suspended federal funds from going to purported “anarchist jurisdictions.” Included were New York City, Portland and Seattle.

With no idea of how to pay for any of it, thus accelerating the growth of the federal debt past 30 trillion dollars. Thanks, Mr. Biden.

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Returned the United States to the Paris Climate Accord.

Sacrificing the national interests of the United States upon the altar of climate change.

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Originally Posted by paraclete

When did I say he was without fault,

You said, "His failure to deliver was not his fault".

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but not everything he did was bad and he was hamstrung by a hostile congress.

Trump understood nothing about running a country. His major, and only, platform was reversing anything Obama did because Obama humiliated the narcissist at a televised public dinner.

Donald the Dips**t was the biggest mistake this country ever made.

Anyone who thought a morally bankrupt conman and washed up reality TV personality would be a good president needs to seek professional help, especially after inciting an insurrection and endlessly lying about the election being “stolen” from him. Pathetic.

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yes facts from your perspective

True.

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Trump understood nothing about running a country.

Except that he had a better economy by far than Obama ever dreamed about having???

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

Except that he had a better economy by far than Obama ever dreamed about having???

He had nothing to do with the economy, except to damage it with tariffs that he completely misunderstood.

The economy he inherited from Obama was already recovering after the disastrous ruination of it due to Republican malfeasance under Bush II. It's about time you stopped promoting this falsehood.

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He had nothing to do with the economy, except to damage it with tariffs that he completely misunderstood.

The economy he inherited from Obama was already recovering after the disastrous ruination of it due to Republican malfeasance under Bush II. It's about time you stopped promoting this falsehood.

Just the usual anti-Trump, "Obama was wonderful" liberal dem view. The fact remains that the economy set records with Trump as pres. He did more in three years than Obama did in eight.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

The fact remains that the economy set records with Trump as pres.

This is true, but one does not follow the other.

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He did more in three years than Obama did in eight.

This is demonstrably false. Obama inherited a disaster - the Great Recession. Trump inherited Obama's legacy - putting it all back together.

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This is true, but one does not follow the other.

Funny how you refuse to give Trump any credit, but in your next comment you fall all over yourself in flattering Obama. Bias??? Clearly.

Reagan walked into a worse situation than Obama and accomplished more without having to increase the debt by 10 trillion dollars. And the fact remains that the Trump economy far out-performed the Obama economy.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

And the fact remains that the Trump economy far out-performed the Obama economy.

And why was that?

Better leadership from someone who understood business.

Better leadership from someone who understood business.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

Better leadership from someone who understood business.

Why have so many of his businesses failed? As far as our economy is concerned, he merely stayed on the same growth track Obama had put it on after W tossed it into a firepit.

He “merely” set records for low unemployment. You do realize that Obama is the only eight year Pres who never had a single year of 3% or better GDP growth?

Now to be clear, I am no worshipper of Trump in the manner that you practically worship Obama. I do believe in giving credit where credit is due. The economy with Trump was fantastic. Case closed.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

He “merely” set records for low unemployment. You do realize that Obama is the only eight year Pres who never had a single year of 3% or better GDP growth?

Do you realize what a mess W left him?!

The economy with Trump in control surprisingly didn't plunge again. Who was really in charge?

So you are trying to make a point bout what did NOT happen? Hmm.

Might have surprised you. Didn’t seem to surprise business owners.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

With no idea of how to pay for any of it, thus accelerating the growth of the federal debt past 30 trillion dollars. Thanks, Mr. Biden.

Mr. Biden saved the lives and fortunes of untold American citizens and their families. All you can see is the cost and you would have preferred mass never-ending misery for your neighbor. I'll leave you to work out how that fits in with The Greatest Commandment.

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Sacrificing the national interests of the United States upon the altar of climate change.

No, trying to save the planet and all its inhabitants.

And that was true for Bush and Obama and Trump and now Biden. Always the same. We must spend more than we take in. It’s the mantra of the political class and people will keep falling for it until disaster arrives.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

And that was true for Bush and Obama and Trump and now Biden. Always the same. We must spend more than we take in. It’s the mantra of the political class and people will keep falling for it until disaster arrives.

What would you do?

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

And that was true for Bush and Obama and Trump and now Biden.

Certainly not true for Bush II. In a fair universe he would be a war criminal for invading a sovereign nation without justification and resulting in the deaths of hundreds of thousands and many more times that number injured.

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until disaster arrives.

Thanks to Obama disaster was averted. I'm sorry your taxes went to saving people - maybe you could ask for them back.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

And that was true for Bush and Obama and Trump and now Biden. Always the same. We must spend more than we take in. It’s the mantra of the political class and people will keep falling for it until disaster arrives.

Yes you are right deficit economics can only bring long term disaster in the form of inflation which is crippling to the low income group

Obama doubled the national debt. Sorry if I don’t brag on him about that. He was mediocre.

The question is always what the money is being spent on

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

Obama doubled the national debt. Sorry if I don’t brag on him about that. He was mediocre.

How did he double the national debt? (Psst -- Obama fought Bush II's Great Recession with an $831 billion economic stimulus package and added $858 billion through tax cuts.)

When the national debt goes from 10 tril to 20 tril, that's what we call a doubling of the national debt. I know you practically worship the man, but good grief, that's a well known truth that even liberal dems have to acknowledge.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

When the national debt goes from 10 tril to 20 tril, that's what we call a doubling of the national debt.

Thank God he cleaned up W's mess and helped a lot of people!

No, I don't worship the man, but he is very smart and quite good looking. He can hop and skip down ramps too.

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Thank God he cleaned up W's mess and helped a lot of people!

He doubled the national debt, produced a tepid economy, and became the only eight year pres who never had a year with 3% gdp growth.

Yeah. Real smart.

How GDP Growth Under Trump Compares To Clinton, Obama And Other Presidents (msn.com)

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Here’s a look at average GDP growth rates under the last six U.S. presidents: Jimmy Carter (D): 3.25% Ronald Reagan (R): 3.48% George H.W. Bush (R): 2.25% Bill Clinton (D): 3.88% George W. Bush (R): 2.2% Barack Obama (D): 1.62% Donald Trump (R): 0.95% In his first four years in office, Trump has had by far the lowest average U.S. GDP growth rate of any of the last seven U.S. presidents.

Tal you are lying with statistics again

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During his first three years in office, President Trump oversaw an annual average growth of 2.5%

Amazing to want to use Carter as a comparison. He did have good GDP growth, but it was accompanied by very high inflation (averaged above 8%) and high unemployment. (never below 6%). His economic problems were why Reagan beat him so handily. By comparison, Trump had unemployment down to 3.5%, the lowest figure in fifty years, substantial growth in manufacturing jobs (far greater than Obama), and an inflation average of a little over 2%.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

Trump had unemployment down to 3.5%, the lowest figure in fifty years, substantial growth in manufacturing jobs (far greater than Obama), and an inflation average of a little over 2%.

Trump had nothing to do with it - he was riding on Obama's coattails.

A completely foolish reply driven by nothing more than political jealousy. No one gets those results without good leadership. It is like saying that Eisenhower had nothing to do with the successful invasion at Normandy, or that Washington had nothing to do with the victory at Trenton. Obama had eight years. Reagan started from a deeper hole than Obama and accomplished much more.

What I find "interesting" about these exchanges is this. Someone asks, "How did he double the national debt?" When the question is answered, instead of getting a response to that answer, all we get is, "Thank God he cleaned up W's mess and helped a lot of people!" It's like the person says, "Oh? Well, let's just move on then. No point in dealing with such unpleasantness."

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

A completely foolish reply driven by nothing more than political jealousy.

The foolishness is all in your constant claim that Trump was an economic genius. The bozo couldn't even make a success out of all the businesses he started - all failed or went bankrupt. Even his touted "empire" has but a handful of employees. His money comes from the real estate rental income his father left him. And whatever he can grift from his stay in the WH. He even refused to let the GOP use his name for fund-raising purposes unless he got a piece of the pie.

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No one gets those results without good leadership.

Trump a good leader? Huh? The clown didn't know his arse from his elbow about governance or economics. Or pretty much anything else, for that matter. The latest truth-tellers about what a madman Trump was are Barr and Chris Christie. A little late, but better late then never.

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It is like saying that Eisenhower had nothing to do with the successful invasion at Normandy, or that Washington had nothing to do with the victory at Trenton.

Calm down - you're acting like Trump. Washington at Trenton?? Good lord!

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Obama had eight years. Reagan started from a deeper hole than Obama and accomplished much more.

No one in US history started from a lower point than Obama after the Bush administration set the country almost as far back as the Great Depression. Reagan learned a hard lesson when his failed Laffer philosophy caused him to raise taxes.

It's all academic now, all of these bozos are gone, and now sleepy Joe is in charge with the potential to add quidzillions to the national debt

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Originally Posted by paraclete

It's all academic now, all of these bozos are gone, and now sleepy Joe is in charge with the potential to add quidzillions to the national debt

...and save quadzillions of citizens from despair and ruin....

Yeh, it's only money

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...and save quadzillions of citizens from despair and ruin....

So running the country bankrupt is now the liberal dem plan on how to, "save quadzillions of citizens from...ruin?" Hmm.

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Originally Posted by paraclete

Yeh, it's only money

Money is not as important as a human life.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

So running the country bankrupt is now the liberal dem plan on how to, "save quadzillions of citizens from...ruin?" Hmm.

The liberal dem plan is to save families from ruin. The Repub plan is to let them starve to death to save money.

As usual, you make up stuff - the country is not bankrupt.

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the country is not bankrupt.

Yet.

The liberal dem plan of how to "save families from ruin" is to accumulate a national debt equivalent to about 90,000 dollars for every man, woman, and child in America, and then accelerate the accumulation of even more debt. And while they're at it, they can print money by the hundreds of billions of dollars thus ensuring a rise in inflation.

Yeah, boy. That's a great plan for saving families from ruin.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

The liberal dem plan of how to "save families from ruin" is to accumulate a national debt equivalent to about 90,000 dollars for every man, woman, and child in America, and then accelerate the accumulation of even more debt. And while they're at it, they can print money by the hundreds of billions of dollars thus ensuring a rise in inflation.

Your attempt at predicting the economy is a joke. You're not qualified.

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Yeah, boy. That's a great plan for saving families from ruin.

Far better than your plan, which is to let them starve.

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Your attempt at predicting the economy is a joke. You're not qualified.

Not being qualified certainly has not stopped you.

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Far better than your plan, which is to let them starve.

Typical liberal dem. You're all for passing out funds from borrowed/printed money. Your approach is basically this. "I love poor people so much that I'm willing to let the feds borrow and print money to help them." That way it doesn't cost you anything. If you really care about starving people, then get off your rear end and get out there and help them. Try spending some of your own money. Get your hands a little dirty helping others. Otherwise your protests are hollow and meaningless.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

Typical liberal dem. You're all for passing out funds from borrowed/printed money. Your approach is basically this. "I love poor people so much that I'm willing to let the feds borrow and print money to help them." That way it doesn't cost you anything. If you really care about starving people, then get off your rear end and get out there and help them. Try spending some of your own money. Get your hands a little dirty helping others. Otherwise your protests are hollow and meaningless.

Worshiping the almighty dollar is your idol. God forbid you should help your neighbor. In light of the pandemic tragedy, all you can offer is smart-a*s remarks about taxes and inflation.

You sound exactly like those Republicans and white supremacists who deny any attack ever occurred on the Capitol. A day of tourists and cameras as one idiot put it. All of you are about DENY - DENY - DENY, aka gaslighting.

I've got to go take a shower now after listening to your disgusting comparisons between people suffering and your love of money.