Your point?Quote:
Originally Posted by waltero
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Your point?Quote:
Originally Posted by waltero
Freedom or an Athos imposed, compulsory "We'll take care of you" social program. I think I'll take freedom.
It's already in effect. Why would you need me to impose it?Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Your freedom would cost millions to be in poverty in their old age. I must ask you this: Why are white evangelicals so unfeeling about others when the clear Christian message is a preferable option for the poor as outlined in the Gospels?Quote:
"We'll take care of you" social program. I think I'll take freedom.
I don't need to provide verses. As a Bible expert, you should know them by heart.
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The SSA estimates that it made about $7.9 billion worth of improper payments in total during the 2019 fiscal year.
YES! (my point)Quote:
You call that a failure?
Why is that a failure? Surely you're not referring to the whole social security program? Or are you? If so, why?Quote:
Originally Posted by waltero
The whole social security program, is doomed for failure.Quote:
Currently, nearly 70 million Americans receive social security benefits. You call that a failure?
Why? If you have a job, you pay into it as does the company you work for.Quote:
Originally Posted by waltero
Do you actually think anybody under the age of 57 is ever going to receive a Social Security check?
If disabled, yes. You are allowed to claim retirement SS starting at age 62.Quote:
Originally Posted by waltero
The Government steals from Social security to pay for other sh*T. Social security has to barrow money to stay afloat.Quote:
Why? If you have a job, you pay into it as does the company you work for.
They will go Broke (again) in 2028
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$7.9 billion worth of improper payments
Athos it has nothing to do with being a Christian and a great deal with being a Republican, with that political view, that no one is entitled to anything, a work 'til you drop philosophy. When politics intervenes, that is self interest intervenes, good works go out the window unless served by political advantageQuote:
Originally Posted by Athos
If I understand you, the Republican philosophy of greedy self-interest is responsible for ignoring the poor in society, not Christians. To a certain degree, I agree with you. However, I believe the Republican cult is filled mostly with the white evangelicals I mentioned.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
I also believe this is the main subgroup supporting Trump and his "Big Lie" that the election was rigged. What I fail to understand is how any large group of Christians could possibly believe Trump after 4 years of obvious proven lies and a piggish life of immorality (amorality?).
If that's what you believe, what are you as a Christian doing to avoid that happening with its disastrous effect on the poor and the marginalized and the disabled?Quote:
Originally Posted by waltero
You are repeating this, but not saying why. You are certainly implying that this means the entire SS program is bad. You are using a slogan to defame the program without a word of explanation. "Improper payments" is a complex issue which cannot have justice done to it in the confines of a Q&A site.Quote:
$7.9 billion worth of improper payments
To discover what the phrase really means, anyone (including you) can google the phrase and discover all the aspects of it. You will learn that, unlike your implication, it has nothing to do with bad management by the Social Security employees.
I'm a bit surprised you did something so devious.
SS is currently solvent and, in fact, uses its surplus to fund other reckless, insane federal spending initiatives. But you are correct in saying that a day of reckoning is coming. The exact year is a subject of debate, but our current crop of self-serving, corrupt, narcissistic pols have no interest in taking the necessary steps to fix it, so we'll just continue to hobble along until the dam actually breaks and then try to figure out how to somehow survive.Quote:
Social security has to barrow money to stay afloat. They will go Broke (again) in 2028
Those who receive SSA,APA, welfare etc. act as if they finally made it in life. Why be bothered with work when you don't have to?Quote:
Why work when the government will give you freebees for not working
Those who spent years in College, no desire to work, taking advantage of the 'Free money" that is offered, becoming professional students. Unwed Mothers, encouraged to go on welfare, perpetuating their current position. Mothers not wanting their children to leave home and get a job! Young adults thinking they need just show up and collect a paycheck, not willing to lift a finger! Won't work for less thn $15hr, wanting to make the big bucks right of the bat. Never giving a ****
Gimme, gimme, gimme, all for sale!
See my post #53. That post is what you should reply to, not the above piece of rambling wild accusations. The vitriol in the above is remarkable for one who espouses a religious faith.Quote:
Originally Posted by waltero
You speak as though taking a minimum wage job is a privilege and $15 an hour is big bucks. You forget that the people you speak of are in the minority and victims of circumstance, even if sometimes it is of their own making. There are employers who won't give some a chance, prejudging themQuote:
Originally Posted by waltero
I'd rather stick with the Topic. But thanks for asking.Quote:
See my post #53. That post is what you should reply to
Wooohoo! I got my welfare, I finally made it!!!Quote:
Those who receive SSA,APA, welfare etc. act as if they finally made it in life. Why be bothered with work when you don't have to?
Those who spent years in College, no desire to work, taking advantage of the 'Free money" that is offered, becoming professional students. Unwed Mothers, encouraged to go on welfare, perpetuating their current position. Mothers not wanting their children to leave home and get a job! Young adults thinking they need just show up and collect a paycheck, not willing to lift a finger! Won't work for less thn $15hr, wanting to make the big bucks right of the bat. Never giving a ****
This is what our Government is creating.
I've worked for far less. It might go better for those who are looking for a Job, to think of it as being a privilege?Quote:
You speak as though taking a minimum wage job is a privilege
Nobody want's to work. I say open the Borders, I know some people wanting to work!
Exactly correct.Quote:
Wooohoo! I got my welfare, I finally made it!!!
This is what our Government is creating.
Anyone willing to work now can walk into practically any store or business in our area and start at twelve to fifteen dollars an hour. Get two jobs. Work sixty hours a week if need be, but take care of yourself and don't become a leech sucking the financial blood of others.
I doubt they are sucking yours
You're quick with the glib replies, but weak on actually engaging in productive dialogue. You are afraid of something, and I suspect it's a basic lack of topical knowledge.Quote:
Originally Posted by waltero
And then!Quote:
Originally Posted by waltero
And thisQuote:
Originally Posted by waltero
That's all well and good except if you're a woman with a couple of kids and they ain't got no babysittersQuote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Maybe those service and waitresses jobs wages could be increased you know for like people that can't get two jobs because they ain't got no transportation
Rarely does a person who has been on welfare for more than a year, will desire to go and get a job. they will come up with all the excuses in the book, no transportation, no babysitter, Can't afford to lose my welfare, medical etc. etc.Quote:
That's all well and good except if you're a woman with a couple of kids and they ain't got no babysitters
Funny thing; my Niece couldn't get section 8 housing because she was the wrong color (white). Good thing, she was forced to live with her Dad, forcing her to obey his wish. she had to get a job (without a car, no babysitter). She is now supporting four kids on her own.
You know this how?Quote:
Originally Posted by waltero
Ah, that explains so much about you. You're a racist! I never suspected. What is it with you evangelicals? Something from the Old Testament? Like Noah cursing Ham to be enslaved?Quote:
Funny thing; my Niece couldn't get section 8 housing because she was the wrong color (white).
Did I say something that offends you?Quote:
You're a racist!
FYI: She was told that by the social worker.
Predictable."I don't agree with you, so you must be a racist." Really gets tiresome.Quote:
You're a racist! I never suspected.
Crazy thing, I had a friend tell me the same thing 15 years ago- Social worker, said the same thing to Him (wrong color).Quote:
Predictable."I don't agree with you, so you must be a racist." Really gets tiresome.
Not predictable. His own words. "Funny thing; my Niece couldn't get section 8 housing because she was the wrong color (white)."Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
When outed, he quickly threw in "She was told that by the social worker". Interesting he omitted that little part until caught. Then he suddenly remembered the same thing from 15 years ago. I guess it was the same social worker! This would be laughable if not so revolting.
I believe you're a racist too. Not the white-sheeted hooded kind, but the kind that prefers blacks "in their place". The Trump school of racism.
Two peas in a pod.
Study up on welfare. Many states have adopted policies as to how long someone can be on welfare. Time limits range from 24 months to 60 months. Only a few states have no time limits.Quote:
Originally Posted by waltero
My Catholic Charities clients knew they had two years on welfare and then they'd get a letter informing them to seek work because they would be cut loose from welfare payments. And so it was. Part of my job was helping them job hunt, fill out job applications, and do well on interviews.
Who doesn't get section-8 housing? If you have two kids and you apply, how are you not going to get it???Quote:
His own words. "Funny thing; my Niece couldn't get section 8 housing because she was the wrong color."
You are correct. Once you are given notice, time to pop out another Brat!Quote:
Time limits range from 24 months to 60 months.
Still leaves some without time limits.Quote:
Many states
Your site profile says you're 21.Quote:
Originally Posted by waltero
Lol - "Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive!!"Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Great catch, WG.
. Yup, true dat. My Christian life began 21 years ago, ah, yah, yah that's it! What's it matter?Quote:
Your site profile says you're 21
I thought you might enjoy that. My name isn't Waltero either, DOH!Quote:
Great catch, WG.
Nicknames are rarely the real name. No surprise there.Quote:
Originally Posted by waltero
You can't deflect by your nickname from your racism and your lie about your age. Don't post those long sermons about you and God that you are prone to do - they give Jesus a bad name by association.
Do you know nothing? Do you know what or who your talking about???Quote:
they give Jesus a bad name by association.
Do you even understood what Athos said???Quote:
Originally Posted by waltero
Lol - yes, I'm talking to and about YOU!Quote:
Originally Posted by waltero
I know you think all kinds of things, I’m sure. But I for a long time now have imagined everybody that I see with a wheelbarrow. And I have a wheelbarrow too. And when you see me, you can think of me and my wheelbarrow. And I have stuff in my wheelbarrow. I may have it hitched to the back of my car. You may like my car, you may hate my car, but I have a wheelbarrow. And in that wheelbarrow I have trials and temptations and fears and failures and disappointments and heartaches and longings. I don’t wake at three o’clock in the morning just to think about the soccer scores from Spain, and neither do you. We are all in this together.
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Originally Posted by waltero
Oh, go away, will you? The nuisance factor is getting the best of you.
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