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  • Apr 5, 2021, 04:52 AM
    tomder55
    maybe the sports leagues should get out of the politics /social justice /cancel culture ;and stick to what they were good at ......entertainment . The classic example of successful sports marketing was Michael Jordan sneakers . Back when the NBA was struggling ,they could not afford to alienate any potential fans who would spend $$ on the game . So when the question arose ;Michael Jordon said 'Republicans buy sneakers too " .
    Of course now he is a billionaire and can modify .And the NBA has since become a highly successful league . So they think their future is to appease the woke crowd. It will back lash .
    So when there is talk about someone being casual about throwing millions of people into economic disaster ;the woke should look at the consequences of their own actions . At least half the country thinks this cancelling of the great American culture is a very dangerous path .
  • Apr 5, 2021, 05:07 AM
    jlisenbe
    For me it's not so much about the economic targeting as it is the phoniness in their attempts to justify it. Everything is not a racial issue. Voter ID laws are not racist and are certainly not "Jim Crow on steroids". Not believing everything M. Markle says is not racist. Using a tree for a team symbol is not racist. Calling the Atlanta ballclub the "Braves" is not racist. A Christian baker not wanting to participate in a "gay wedding" is not homophobic. At some point a little common sense would become useful. Even the famous porn-author, Stacey Abrams, is having to back off from her earlier comments.
  • Apr 5, 2021, 07:17 AM
    Athos
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Drama alert.

    Schmuck alert.
  • Apr 6, 2021, 04:38 AM
    tomder55
    A poll by Harvard and Harris poll reveals that 64% of Americans view the cancel culture as a threat to freedom .

    Is ‘cancel culture’ a threat to freedom? Poll says 64% of Americans think so | CBS 42

    "It is a chilling finding that most people in the country now are afraid they would be fired if they expressed their real views on social media,” said Mark Penn, the director of the Harvard CAPS-Harris Poll survey.
    “The public generally gives negative ratings to social media companies and sees the movement as more about censorship rather than trying to correct wrongs. It is growing as a national issue,” he said.

    POLL: Majority of Americans See Cancel Culture as Threat to Freedom (yahoo.com)

    The pattern has been the same throughout history. It begins when the revolutionaries exert their power to censor, coerce, and condemn dissenters I have given the examples of the French Revolution ,Stalin and Mao before .So I won't rehash those details . Suffice it to say that eventually ,the cancellers eventually become the cancelled as they feast on each other trying to perpetrate their power . Don't believe me ? ....Ask Robespierre and Danton .The same revolution that took down the Romanov's put an ice pick ax into Trotsky's skull.


    I also wrote of Coca Cola's hypocrisy in condemning Georgia's sensible election reforms which the woke culture claims is Jim Crow like , while ignoring the slave labor that makes their product in China . The company has an ongoing training program designed to make their employees 'less white ' . This information is confirmed by the company.

    Coca-Cola Confirms Training Employees to 'Be Less White' - Becker News

    They also demand that every law firm they hire be less white .
    Coke said it will require quarterly reporting about the makeup of legal teams that do work for it and self identify as American Indian, Alaska Native, Asian, Black, women, Hispanic/Latinx, LGBTQ, Native Hawaiian, Pacific Islander or persons with disabilities. For those working on new matters for Coke, “at least 30 percent of each of billed associate and partner time will be from diverse attorneys, and of such amounts at least half will be from Black attorneys.”

    Coke demands diversity among law firms it uses | The Seattle Times

    The reason the Civil Rights Act was passed was to end exactly this kind of favoritism.
  • Apr 6, 2021, 07:16 AM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    They also demand that every law firm they hire be less white .
    In saner times, that would be referred to as racial discrimination. Arbitrary targets such as that always have the same effect. The law firm or business becomes less efficient.
  • Apr 6, 2021, 08:50 AM
    tomder55
    Gotta give it to MLB for making a bold statement by moving the All Star game from Atlanta with it's 34% Black population to Denver with it's almost 10% Black population ......and to Colorado ;a state with more restrictive voting laws than Georgia's new laws
  • Apr 6, 2021, 10:32 AM
    jlisenbe
    Unsurprisingly Biden has made no false statements about Colorado’s voting laws.
  • Apr 6, 2021, 12:56 PM
    jlisenbe
    Surprising to anyone?

    "Over 200 US companies that called out changes to voter laws require ID for employment."

    https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics...for-employment
  • Apr 6, 2021, 01:20 PM
    Wondergirl
    What pieces of voter ID would suffice?
  • Apr 6, 2021, 02:39 PM
    jlisenbe
    I thought we agreed earlier that pic ID's would be good.
  • Apr 6, 2021, 02:51 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    I thought we agreed earlier that pic ID's would be good.

    That's all???

    Picture IDs issued by the DMV? NRA? A college currently being attended? A current employer?
  • Apr 6, 2021, 03:13 PM
    jlisenbe
    Yes. No. Yes. Possibly.
  • Apr 6, 2021, 03:58 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Yes. No. Yes. Possibly.

    You're certainly no help!
  • Apr 6, 2021, 06:00 PM
    jlisenbe
    I just turned 68. You have to cut me some slack. 8D
  • Apr 6, 2021, 07:20 PM
    paraclete
    you are a mere callow youth and very obviously so
  • Apr 6, 2021, 07:25 PM
    jlisenbe
    Always good to be called a youth at my age.
  • Apr 6, 2021, 09:20 PM
    talaniman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    you think the woke thugs are the court of public opinion ? thanks for the laugh of the day . This is a desperate ploy by MLB to save it's bacon . It is desperately trying to get a young audience. Well maybe geezers like me will remanence about days gone by when the All Star game was interesting . But we will not transfer that enthusiasm for the game to our grandkids , You notice how the NBA was just a little less enthusiastic about all that social justice stuff this season ? That was because they lost audience due to wokeness . Same has happened to NFL . We shall see where the 'court of public opinion 'really sees woke and cancel culture .

    Covid has devastated nearly everything and everybody on the planet. That's bound to change soon, so let's separate that from the politics and repubs suppression for the coming election. Those WOKE and CANCEL talking points are part of that. That's all the righties have left (PUN) and the BIG LIE about voting fraud.

    We've always known that participation via TURN OUT was the key to overcoming the social repression repubs continue to practice, and Big Biz can count as the pendulum swings.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    Gotta give it to MLB for making a bold statement by moving the All Star game from Atlanta with it's 34% Black population to Denver with it's almost 10% Black population ......and to Colorado ;a state with more restrictive voting laws than Georgia's new laws

    You did look that up didn't you?
  • Apr 6, 2021, 10:16 PM
    paraclete
    Well Tal I can say from the point of view of my nation, covid has been a damn inconvenience, but devastating it has not been. Yes, we have had a high death rate among elderly nursing home patients, but generally, as I have said before, the death rate is really not much higher than it was before covid, only the circumstances changed which gives some creditability to the theory that when your numbers up, that's it. The grim reaper will prevail . 3% of those who contracted covid died, but not many people contracted it because of sensible behaviour, Business was inconvenienced and some marginal businesses failed. we are powering on despite the devastation
  • Apr 7, 2021, 02:44 AM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    You did look that up didn't you?
    of course
  • Apr 7, 2021, 02:59 AM
    tomder55
    tal did you actually look at the Georgia changes ? Because if you did you would find that the changes in fact open up voting by easing restrictions .
    Your side is so obsessed with preventing identity confirmation and I just don't understand why . The only one that makes sense is that you don't think you can win unless there is fraud . The arguments that IDs are difficult to get and that a significant number of likely voters don't have IDs are nonsense. The claim that minority voters are somehow incapable of the simple act of obtaining an ID is a racist claim. Minority voters should be outraged that the Dems are insulting them .
  • Apr 7, 2021, 04:17 AM
    jlisenbe
    Amazing how popular these "white supremacist, racist" initiatives can be.

    “Majorities of whites (74%), blacks (69%) and other minorities (82%) say voters should be required to show photo identification before being allowed to vote,” Rassmussen Reports found among 1,000 likely voters polled throughout the U.S.
    Even along party lines, 60 percent of Democrats, 89 percent of Republicans, and 77 percent of unaffiliated voters responded in the affirmative."

    https://www.westernjournal.com/democ...lacks-support/

    All time dumb quote of the ages from Biden.
    Quote:

    "Biden predicted the efforts will be stopped "because it's the most pernicious thing.""This makes Jim Crow look like Jim Eagle,” he said. “I mean, this is gigantic, what they’re trying to do. And it cannot be sustained."
    It's one of our major problems now. Every disagreement has to be treated like a life-threatening emergency and attacked with the most extreme rhetoric at their disposal.
  • Apr 14, 2021, 04:10 PM
    tomder55
    today's black lister is the emperor . He wasn't woke enough

    Waukegan Latinx activists protest renaming Thomas Jefferson Middle School after Barack and Michelle Obama - ABC7 Chicago

    ahh the circular firing squad !!


    "If you're removing the name of Thomas Jefferson - one oppressor - the name of Obama is another oppressor and our families do not want to see that name,"
  • Apr 14, 2021, 05:06 PM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    "If you're removing the name of Thomas Jefferson - one oppressor - the name of Obama is another oppressor and our families do not want to see that name,"
    Oh my goodness. I'm beginning to agree with the radicals!!
  • Apr 15, 2021, 07:12 AM
    jlisenbe
    The inability to judge between what is a big deal and what is a little deal is part of our culture now. A car salesman makes an insensitive remark and the world falls apart. Note his lengthy, self-flagellating apology that has become the norm these days. And Baylor U gets to demonstrate itself as the very soul of racial sensitivity by refusing the gift of a car they didn't really need in the first place.

    Quote:

    "Coach Scott can enjoy it and he’ll use it to pull some people out of the hood," Teague said.

    On Wednesday, Baylor released a statement on the remark.

    "We have spoken with Ted Teague regarding his comments made last night," Drew and Baylor athletic director Mack Rhoades said in a joint statement. "His remarks do not align with our institutional values or the culture of our athletic programs. We can confirm we are not accepting the Jeep driven in the parade on Tuesday. As a department, we are committed to recruiting a diverse group of student-athletes, coaches, and staff, all of whom are valued members of our community."

    Teague apologized for the remark, saying he misspoke when he used the word "hood." "As the word came out of my mouth, I instantly knew it was the absolute wrong word," he said. "I know that I disrespected a countless number of people within our amazing Waco community, and beyond. I am deeply disappointed and saddened by my actions and offer each of you my most sincere apologies."
    https://www.foxbusiness.com/sports/b...ip-hood-remark
  • Apr 15, 2021, 09:26 AM
    tomder55
    they should use it for a alumnae auction with the proceeds going to a student scholarship


    https://gray-kwtx-prod.cdn.arcpublis...WNAJR5DCIA.jpg
  • Apr 15, 2021, 12:19 PM
    tomder55
    A Black economic professor is today's candidate .

    Last fall, Grace Church High School’s (a private school in Manhattan) leaders would not allow teacher Paul Rossi to introduced ideas expressed by Brown University social sciences Professor Glenn Loury to juniors and seniors enrolled in his “Art of Persuasion” class.

    Glenn Loury at the age of 33 became the first African American tenured professor of economics in the history of Harvard University. BLM was the hot topic at the time and Rossi decided to introduce Loury's writings into his class .

    Rossi writes :

    "The head of school responded to me that “people like Loury’s lived experience—and therefore his derived social philosophy” made him an exception to the rule that black thinkers acknowledge structural racism as the paramount impediment in society. He added that “the moment we are in institutionally and culturally, does not lend itself to dispassionate discussion and debate,” and discussing Loury’s ideas would “only confuse and/or enflame students, both those in the class and others that hear about it outside of the class.” He preferred I assign “mainstream white conservatives,” effectively denying black students the opportunity to hear from a black professor who holds views that diverge from the orthodoxy pushed on them."

    "I find it self-evidently racist to filter the dissemination of an idea based on the race of the person who espouses it. I find the claim that exposing 11th and 12th graders to diverse views on an important societal issue will only “confuse” them to be characteristic of a fundamentalist religion, not an educational philosophy. "

    I Refuse to Stand By While My Students Are Indoctrinated - Common Sense with Bari Weiss (substack.com)

    But the problem is that Loury challenges the woke narrative . He challenges the premise that "systemic racism" is the primary challenge facing the Black community today .

    "Loury said he rejects the idea that racial inequalities can be entirely credited to the pervasiveness of white supremacy. And he concluded with an attack on policies like affirmative action, which he described as patronizing and saturated with the bigotry of low expectations."

    Rossi wrote of the incident that the head of the school told him that ‘the moment we are in, institutionally and culturally, does not lend itself to dispassionate discussion and debate,’ and discussing Loury’s ideas would ‘only confuse and/or enflame students, both those in the class and others that hear about it outside of the class.’”

    In other words ;what school head George Davison's REAL concern was the perception that others would get with having Professor Loury's views taught .

    But what Rossi describes is worse than that . He tells of racially segregated zoom classes to discuss racial issues (focused at condemning whites ) .The students are taught a dystopian intersectional condemnation of American culture ." A few days later, the head of school [Davison] ordered all high school advisors to read a public reprimand of my conduct out loud to every student in the school. It was a surreal experience, walking the halls alone and hearing the words emitting from each classroom: “Events from last week compel us to underscore some aspects of our mission and share some thoughts about our community,” the statement began. “At independent schools, with their history of predominantly white populations, racism colludes with other forms of bias (sexism, classism, ableism and so much more) to undermine our stated ideals, and we must work hard to undo this history.”"

    . It is a prime example of the premise that woke culture is no more than an American left version of Mao's Cultural Revolution . Public shaming and demonization of incorrect thinking are the precursors before “re-education camps” where someone like Paul Rossi or, Glenn Loury would be paraded before jeering crowds of “the woke” to be humiliated and condemned.
  • Apr 15, 2021, 01:43 PM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    A few days later, the head of school [Davison] ordered all high school advisors to read a public reprimand of my conduct out loud to every student in the school.
    And there lies the real problem. Like docile little sheep, the faculty no doubt complied and read a statement that surely many of them did not agree with. A lack of courage is our real problem.
  • Apr 15, 2021, 01:55 PM
    tomder55
    I guess I am fortunate to never needed to make that choice. No one at work particularly cared about my outspoken opinions . It never affected my work . And here I am a mostly an anonymous town crier .



    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_wpPLG-yJpJ...s200/crier.jpg
  • Apr 15, 2021, 02:17 PM
    tomder55
    just in . Twitter permanently cancelled James O'Keefe and Project Veritas . He burned CNN recently by exposing their clear and now confirmed bias against President Trump in last year's election. A CNN director ;secretly recorded ,proudly revealed that the fake news network engaged in propagandist reporting to further the aims of the Democratic party. CNN's Technical Director Charlie Chester boasted that the network's biased coverage played a large roll in removing President Trump from office.
  • Apr 15, 2021, 02:35 PM
    jlisenbe
    And there are people here who really believe that the national media is as fair and honest as can be. Incredible.
  • Apr 15, 2021, 05:24 PM
    paraclete
    You can fool some of the people all of the time, I guess that's how presidents get elected
  • Apr 15, 2021, 05:54 PM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    You can fool some of the people all of the time, I guess that's how presidents get elected
    Sadly true.
  • Apr 15, 2021, 07:38 PM
    talaniman
    You poor wingers! Everybody with sense was against the dufus and for good reason, but let's not conflate the small skirmishes across the country with the subjective media coverage since the right doesn't care about facts, just talking points they agree with. The problem you fringers have is handling the other sides push back to you're narratives.
  • Apr 15, 2021, 08:23 PM
    paraclete
    Tal, think about what you just said, both sides are equally guilty
  • Apr 16, 2021, 03:08 AM
    talaniman
    No we ain't and I doubt you can tell the difference. What we all look alike?
  • Apr 16, 2021, 05:21 AM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    No we ain't and I doubt you can tell the difference. What we all look alike?

    Are you saying you can tell a demonrat by the way they look, darker skinned? sun tanned? better dressed?
  • Apr 16, 2021, 05:22 AM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    Are you saying you can tell a demonrat by the way they look,
    Sort of a dumb, glassy-eyed appearance??

    Just kidding.
  • Apr 16, 2021, 01:51 PM
    paraclete
    No, I thought that applied to your red necked back woods friends
  • Apr 16, 2021, 02:29 PM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    No, I thought that applied to your red necked back woods friends
    You don't know any of my friends. It seems you have a habit of commenting on topics about which you know nothing. Why is that?
  • Apr 16, 2021, 04:13 PM
    paraclete
    hey, it's what I do. Is it annoying? good, it achieves its objective

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