I have no need of a gun
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I have no need of a gun
You don't need a gun until...you need a gun.
To get a covid vaccine you need to prove your eligibility/residency . They say it is to prevent line jumping and vaccination tourism . Actually a photo id is required for most things in lifeQuote:
as easy as buying a gun
Haven't bought a gun recently, have you? If we could get voter security that high (background check), all repubs would be happy.
Who said the right to own a gun is dependent on the need to own one ? There are many reasons for owning guns. I know someone who collects them . I know people who own them so they can go to the range and do target practice. I know people who have them for protection and the guns never leave their secured gun safe . (when seconds count the police are minutes away) I know hunters who use their guns all season . I know people who own them solely because it is their right to do so .
“Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people’s liberty teeth and keystone under independence…” George Washington .
Gladly listen to your take and solutions to these tragic shootings instead of the usual defense of 2nd amendment rights which amounts to a excuse to do NOTHING.
Show us what you got.
Ban all automatic weapons for a start afterall the founding fathers didn't need them for their militia
Automatic weapons are already banned.
really, what about automatic hand guns, automatic shot guns, self loading rifles
There is a difference between automatic and SEMI-automatic. Learn your terms.
Automatic weapons have been banned since the days of Al Capone. Funny . that did not prevent the Valentine's Day Massacre .Quote:
Ban all automatic weapons for a start afterall the founding fathers didn't need them for their militia
To be clear, auto weapons cannot be imported or sold new, but you can purchase already owned auto weapons. The paperwork is staggering. I know a collector who owns both an AK and an M-16. Very hard to do. Or at least that's how it was explained to me.
when I was a boy someone (a cop I think) fired a Thompson sub for us. It was amazing.
It's okay if you righties got no helpful ideas. I didn't expect any, but spare me the technical sermons. I asked for thoughts and ideas to stop gun violence or mass shootings by NUTS!
Got me . When I was a kid there was gun clubs in almost every high school in the country . In 1975, New York state had over 80 school districts with rifle teams. What changed ? The moral compass of the nation ?
What changed? "Deinstitutionalization of mental hospitals [that began in the 1960s as a way to improve the treatment of the mentally ill while also cutting government budgets] came into play in 1970 in the United States....During these days, state mental hospitals were regarded as institutions that deprived the mentally ill patients their freedom to associate with family and community members within the society. For instance, the United States Congress approved the Community Mental Health Centers Act that facilitated deinstitutionalization, thus getting out the mentally ill persons from confinements of the custodial institutions into deliberate medication at the community mental health institutions."
https://www.lawyersnjurists.com/arti...itals-in-1970/
"Deinstitutionalization is the name given to the policy of moving severely mentally ill people out of large state institutions and then closing part or all of those institutions; it has been a major contributing factor to the mental illness crisis."
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/front...l/excerpt.html
Deinstitutionalization has created the situation where families and the community did not, and do not, support their mentally ill who didn't take their meds on time and at the correct dosage. The problems that resulted were, and still are, legion.
well if that was the cause then Tal has his answer . I almost worked at one of those institutions. It was disgusting and morally reprehensible to treat patients that way .Handcuffs, leg irons, and whips were found in the hospital I almost was employed at . I was grossed out during my interview and declined the job opportunity .
Lock the nuts up, if you can identify them before they commit mass murder, to do that you need the thought police. A moral compass only works with sane people, it doesn't work with drug dealers, addicts, and the just plain nuts of various hues. To start with no one under 25 years of age should be allowed to possess a gun, or for that matter, a weapon of any kind. Teaching kids to use weapons is like teaching kids to drink, they get a taste for it, and they are more into fantasy today than they ever were
The murder rate now is about the same that it was in 1960.
and that justifies what, 400 million guns? you need to take a good long look at yourselves and ask a few important questions, like what is a human life worth, certainly not more than the price of a gun in the US
The number of guns is not the problem.
No the number of people with access to guns is the problem
Does that explain why 99.9 percent of legal gun owners never murder another person?
It's the 0.1% who are the problem, hidden in plain sight, and you don't get it, if they are deprived of weapons the other 99.9% are safer and don't get murdered
"You don't get it." Is that the reason I was the one who brought it up and not you? Well at any rate, how do you go about identifying the 0.1% prior to them becoming part of the 0.1%, because afterwards it's kind of a no-brainer? Or do you really think we allow convicted murderers to keep their guns in prison?Quote:
It's the 0.1% who are the problem, hidden in plain sight, and you don't get it, if they are deprived of weapons the other 99.9% are safer and don't get murdered
don't be rediculous, you know we are not speaking of the prison population they are part of the 99.9%. As I said earlier you need the thought police or failing that, then reduction of opportunity, we know it works, it is a proven solution. What is a solution is a no tolerance policy, you take a life, yours is forfeit, summary execution, you know the Judge Dredd solution
You are speaking of taking guns from everyone in order to get guns out of the hands of the 0.1%. As to "thought police", that would need a lot of explaining.Quote:
As I said earlier you need the thought police or failing that, then reduction of opportunity, we know it works, it is a proven solution.
You're awakened at 3 a.m. by noises and low voices in another part of the house. Burglars! It's pitch dark. Your locked gun safe is in the basement. (Or maybe it's in your bedroom....) You sleep naked. Now what?
None of those senseless conditions apply to me other than the possibility of being awakened at 3 a.m. by burglars. Wifey and I have put a lot of thought into that and have a plan ready for action. My only hesitation is the thought of do I want to kill someone who is evidently not a Christian and completely unprepared for coming judgment. And that observation is entirely serious. They would have to push hard for me to pull the trigger.
But let's do one better than that. You are awakened at 3 a.m. by a burglar and you have no means of protecting yourself. Before you can call the cops, they break in your bedroom and you are at their mercy. Now what? They rape your daughter and your are helpless to stop them. They put a round between your husband's eyes, beat the garbage out of everyone, and take what they want. And you are left thinking, "Why didn't we have some way of protecting ourselves?"
Simple answer. Don't allow such a scene to take place. Putting a gun intended for self defense in the basement would just be stupid, and especially putting it in a gun safe in the basement. So for your scene you are basically asking, "If you did something dumb like this, what would you do?"
I added that the gun safe could be in your bedroom.
Do you unlock the gun safe and then get dressed, or just forget the clothes 'cause they take too long to put on? And what about the total darkness? Maybe the burglars are using flashlights, so it will be easy to locate and shoot them. Or maybe those noises and low voices are coming from your wife and son who are trying not to awaken you. Or you can use your cell phone to call 911 and sort it all out when help arrives. (Meanwhile, get dressed.)
Well, you have a lot of "ifs". The best thing to do, as I have said, is have a plan in place beforehand to eliminate as many ifs as possible. In our case, for instance, we are upstairs at night. The stairs are the logical place to take a stand, so I yell out, "If you come up the stairs, I will shoot." That takes care of a family member sneaking in. We will all be aware of our plan. And having been told how to handle weapons, I would not fire until I was certain of my target and had issued multiple warnings.Quote:
Fo you unlock the gun safe and then get dressed, or just forget the vlothes 'cause they take too long to put on? And what about the total darkness? Maybe the burglars are using flashlights, so it will be easy to locate and shoot them. Or maybe those noises and low voices are coming from your wife and son who are trying not to awaken you. Or you can use your cell phone to call 911 and sort it all out when help arrives. (Meanwhile, get dressed.)
Now how about the scenario I presented to you, which is the one which liberal dems have inflicted, for instance, upon Chicago. What would you do? (Hint. I already know you will not answer lest your beliefs face examination.)
And I was right again! You are altogether too predictable.Quote:
(Hint. I already know you will not answer lest your beliefs face examination.)
I'll repeat it, but I will not act like I believe your plea of, "What scenario?"
But let's do one better than that. You are awakened at 3 a.m. by a burglar and you have no means of protecting yourself. Before you can call the cops, they break in your bedroom and you are at their mercy. Now what? They rape your daughter and your are helpless to stop them. They put a round between your husband's eyes, beat the garbage out of everyone, and take what they want. And you are left thinking, "Why didn't we have some way of protecting ourselves?"
I find it both fascinating and amazing the second amendment all or nothing crowd thinks it okay to let anyone have a gun as easily as possible, but spend so much time making it harder for some to vote, which is to say the least inconsistent to me. Even more amazing how well you prepare for your worst fears with a gun under your pillow and have little empathy for those whose worsts fears are realized and suffer the desperation of very traumatic events all to common to many. Be it dragged from your home by xenophobic racists and lynched or murdered by cops making a tragic callous mistake, or some pissed off loony having a really bad day and shoots up a public place.
I guess we all react to our own fears differently be they perceived or real, and desperation and terror drives us to some pretty ugly selfish and dangerous places, but no excuse for bad irrational behavior.
Wish yall can feel me on that because over time it can be frustrating, unbearable and overwhelming, as well as terrifying.
You've tossed so many "scenarios" at me over the months, I've lost track of your challenges. Plus, I'm old and forgetful.
Oh, yes, I DO have a means of protecting myself. I'd tell them I'll make them a snack, maybe coffee and cookies, and write them a generous check to save them the trouble of searching for treasures (of which we have none in the house).Quote:
But let's do one better than that. You are awakened at 3 a.m. by a burglar and you have no means of protecting yourself. Before you can call the cops, they break in your bedroom and you are at their mercy. Now what? They rape your daughter and your are helpless to stop them. They put a round between your husband's eyes, beat the garbage out of everyone, and take what they want. And you are left thinking, "Why didn't we have some way of protecting ourselves?"
Once I get to heaven, I will ask God to allow me to melt down all the metal in guns and other weapons of war and mayhem.
I had hoped for a serious response, but I suppose any kind of response is a step forward. You plainly don't understand the kind of people you'd be dealing with who would break into a house at 3 in the morning, but good luck with your idea.Quote:
Oh, yes, I DO have a means of protecting myself. I'd tell them I'll make them a snack, maybe coffee and cookies, and write them a generous check to save them the trouble of searching for treasures (of which we have none in the house).
In your dreams. Go to the inner city of Chicago and ask those poor people how that would work for them. It's funny to you, but it's not to them.Quote:
It is serious, and it works!
Nah. I'll let you be the one who gets the snot beaten out her. Should it happen, it won't be funny on that day. I sincerely hope it doesn't since you are altogether unprepared.
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