Wonder how many layoff notices Tom gave out in those 32 years of hiring given the lean times we've been through for the past decades.
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Wonder how many layoff notices Tom gave out in those 32 years of hiring given the lean times we've been through for the past decades.
But then the government would not be able to take the credit for sending out borrowed money to people who don't need it.Quote:
What will "pump" the economy is ending the lock downs . There is about $1.5 trillion of unspent consumer dollars in pent up demand . Open the markets and let the consumer solve the economy /
You can't ignore the health crisis nor the effects on the economy we are in, or the fact that prices are going up but wages aren't following. Sometimes market solutions aren't strictly the answer, and one size doesn't fit all. Like half the country can even afford a NEW house. They barely can afford the rent.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
What will pump the economy is resolving the covid problem.
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Wonder how many layoff notices Tom gave out in those 32 years of hiring given the lean times we've been through for the past decades.
Very Few . Kept the staffing lean and mean . Many of the workers that were there when I was hired are still there . Turn over rate was low except recently . And that is because workers in this area have choices . I fired my share . But that was performance related . We made products that consumers count on for their health ,and not adhering to strict quality standards was not tolerated .
I wasn't as involved as Tom, but school principals do hiring and firing. I found that I could do myself a big favor by hiring really good people in the first place.
I was in a Target store in Austin a few months ago. They were paying fifteen dollars an hour as starting wages. The jobs are there for those who want them.
Austin is in Texas where the job market is a lot better than most places. Washing cars starts at 12 bucks an hour.
yes and there are more opportunities in NYC area than oh let's say just about anywhere else in NY State where the political leadership continues to refuse to allow the market to flourish .
You claim to be a proponent of the working class But you approve of policies that would prevent them from getting well paid work . If you think anyone is going to be able to provide a good life for themselves or their families by washing cars then I really can't help you . There are many people in upstate NY who can do better than car washing if the jobs were there . Across the border in PA entry level energy jobs are starting at $48,000 a year with on the job training
You know full well that's a mischaracterization of what I said, and you even mischaracterize your own words if you're implying anybody can just walk into those 48K a year energy jobs.
Just look up the minimum requirements and get the straight story. Go ahead, ask me how I know. While we're on that subject you can articulate those policies that you claim I espouse that prevent people from getting those good jobs.
But since that doesn't fit the narrative that good jobs are hard to find, you can be sure it will be ignored by many hereQuote:
Across the border in PA entry level energy jobs are starting at $48,000 a year with on the job training.
you know as I do, good jobs are limited and good people even more so and matching the two is a difficult exercise
I know a lot about the trades and the requirements for those good hard to find jobs. You righties can't just walk in and get paid like you claim without qualifications. If you have them then you get a higher rate after a specific time of on the job training.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Ask me how I know!
if all you strive for is a job at the car wash then don't complain about your lot in life .
We know as YOU do??? Sorry Clete, but you are sitting 10,000 miles away. You don't know squat about what is available here. I see it frequently. For instance, every large truck that goes by seems to have an ad on the back telling us to call a number to get a job driving. We are several hundred thousand drivers short of what could be used. There are jobs all over the place here, and we are scarcely an economic powerhouse of a state. Do they all pay 50K a year? No, but they are all a start, and a motivated person can move up the ladder if he/she is not spending most of the day feeling sorry for himself.Quote:
you know as I do
You've NEVER heard me complain about MY lot in life, just gratitude for ALL the blessings I've gotten along the way, including the ability to make delicious lemonade.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
my favorite non-alcoholic drink. I am preparing a fresh batch for my drive to South Carolina .Quote:
including the ability to make delicious lemonade.
Lemonade is the best. Well, perhaps behind grape juice.
If all you can see is striving to work at a car wash, then don't complain about others lot in life. You should treat your superior attitude with a dash of compassion.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
compassion, that is for lefties
And you call yourself a Christian?Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
I did not bring up car washes . Tal did when dismissing j's observation that there were job opportunities in Austin.Quote:
If all you can see is striving to work at a car wash, then don't complain about others lot in life. You should treat your superior attitude with a dash of compassion.
Reality check . A job at a car wash for $12/hr is good pay for that position ;even in the NY market .
My compassion goes to that person if they think that is a more than just a starter job until a better opportunity comes along. When I was taking tickets at the movies or delivering papers I did not think that was the end of my job seeking . They were what they were ;starter jobs.
What I did as a manager was to evaluate talent and try to steer my employees to job openings that matched their skill set . I could not force them to take the job . All I could do was recommend they apply . Some of my employees opted to do the same job they entered the company doing . Well their pay reflected that . They got cost of living adjustments annually that capped when they reached the highest pay allowed for their position.
Are you criticizing their choice?Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
You've mentioned your work as an employment manager. Is that what you were - a personnel worker? It would help, as long as you brought it up, to know more specifically what you did.
I thought I was clear . I managed a heath care manufacturing operation plant(pharmaceutical ;supplement ,vitamin etc) . The Human Resources sent me recruits and I made the call if they were hired .
Not at all . I never pressured anyone to accept promotion except to make it understood that I thought it was in their interest and that I thought they could do the job.Quote:
Are you criticizing their choice?
Ok - I missed that. Thank you.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
I take your comment to mean that opportunities were there for those people, but they chose not to pursue them. That is fine, of course, but it would be a mistake to suggest years later that other societal factors had worked against them.Quote:
Not at all . I never pressured anyone to accept promotion except to make it understood that I thought it was in their interest and that I thought they could do the job.
I have seen people completely content to perform the same tasks year after year . Opportunities were always posted . As I have already mentioned ,there are multiple staffing positions to fill .We used recruiters to seek out applicants . We hired from temp firms What we never had was a long line of applicants looking for work . Even in lean years there were very few people who rang the bell asking to fill out an application .
To be honest ;there were even fewer American born applicants .Most of my staff were Hispanic from many nations ;India natives and other Asian . That was also for line workers and supervisor positions . The VP I worked for was Puerto Rican .
nice multiracial thing you have going
It's a works in progress for sure but rest assured the progress will continue.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
One thing I've learned over the years is most people want to just have a secure honest living and then go home and enjoy their families. Few look to take over the company and would rather get overtime on a regular basis. We were a union shop though and kissing the bosses arse wasn't a consideration, for overtime or advancements.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Though some did LOL.
I know what it is like to be management in a union shop . I compensated for union rules with strict enforcement of work place rules with no leniency . Sorry I would've preferred to turn a blind eye .... but . Eventually I went to a non-union environment where I could be more flexible and over look someone who missed being back at their work station on time because they were in a conversation with their child care provider .
As for over time .... my attitude was to allow it and to take the heat when the bean counters called and asking why I wasn't spreading it around . Why should I punish someone who wants to do the time instead of even bothering to ask someone who would tell me ......."more over time ...more taxes " ?
Tom you should have explained that tax isn't 100% so, no, they don't get to keep all they earn but who does?
I tried . Really I did .
I doubt he had any employees so stupid that they didn't already understand that. They weren't worried about taxes. They just wanted to go home.Quote:
Tom you should have explained that tax isn't 100%
Our experiences seem to be vastly different since workplace rules were a thing for both sides and we sort of worked things out amongst ourselves as you would expect from guys that spent a lot of their lives together. I had a lot of bosses ranging from the old school white shirt managers to the blue collar ones who came up through the ranks until the company went young with college grads who could input a computer but not a lot of people or job experience.
It was about getting the job done and going home the same way you came in and of course anybody can have a bad day but the deal was as we aged together we were very cool between workers and management especially as we had shared experiences together like shift work, so can't say as I relate to all your experiences.
Interesting differences though, but glad you're out of that rat race. Enjoy the fruits of your labor, you certainly earned it. I'll tell my Carolina peeps the guy with the glasses and funny accent ain't a good old boy and is pretty cool. 8D
Maybe leave the NY jersey at home!
Yeh no loyalty to the companyQuote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
As well as either no ambition for advancement, or no understanding of how it comes to pass.Quote:
Yeh no loyalty to the company
It was not a matter of loyalty to the company . It was a matter of self interest . i never forced anyone to do OT nor did I take it into account when filling out reviews . However ,when they were hired it was made clear to them that we operated a 6 day week and that there would be an abundance of OT . Some took classes after work . Some needed to be home with their children . The only reason that I spoke against was the ones who gave the 'more work more taxes ' line . And I gave it one shot to convince them otherwise . That was it . Later on ;when they decided they needed more lettuce I let them know that they were at the back of the line of the rotation.
We lived under the guidelines that a refusal of OT was counted the same as working, so yeah I can get with going back to the end of the rotation.
My beef has always been that those who didn't pay union dues got the same protections as those that did.
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