such a shame about that, you elect a tyrant and oppose everything he does
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such a shame about that, you elect a tyrant and oppose everything he does
Guilty, but the tyrant is gone, at least from office. The cult followers remain.
Tal disparages 72 million American voters as a cult . You see ;this is the real issue . To the left it is not a matter of a difference of opinion. It is not enough to defeat the opposition . They have to be cancelled like what Stalin and Mao did . There is talk among the left that say Trump supporters need 'deprogramming ' AOC in committee hearings suggested that the Federal Government should fund such an effort . I have also heard that from other so called responsible Dem leaders and their compliant press.
I don't put all the ones who voted for the dufus in the same category. Just the loony ones. Are you putting the 80 million who voted for Biden into one category?
see all the examples of the cancel culture i have posted on the Parler OP . I will post more in the coming days as I see them in the news almost daily . AOC's committee recommendations being the latest . She is not fringe in the party. She is partnering with Schmucky more often. Why ? Because the Schmuckster thinks she will primary him if he doesn't cow tow to her agenda.
You mean like Mitch and repubs kowtow to the dufus STILL? Yeah those primaries are scary. Joes starting to catch it about following science and opening schools. Seems a simple concession to ramp up teacher vaccinations as supplies become more abundant.
Right on cue is this story. "Gina Carano faces backlash for social media posts, 'not currently employed' by 'Star Wars'"
https://www.foxnews.com/entertainmen...oyed-star-wars
AOC wants us deprogrammed
AOC proposes funding to deprogram white supremacists (nypost.com)
Axios wants us deprogrammed
How to deprogram America's extremists - Axios
The Compost talks of deprogramming Trump supporters
Opinion | Why is it so hard to deprogram Trumpian conspiracy theorists? - The Washington Post
so does Vanity Fair
“So Many Great, Educated, Functional People Were Brainwashed”: Can Trump’s Cult of Followers Be Deprogrammed? | Vanity Fair
CNN floated the idea too
Cult expert explains how to deprogram Trump's most fanatical supporters - YouTube
So does Katie Couric .She wants Trump supporting lawmakers deprogrammed
Katie Couric's GOP comments meet controversy (pagesix.com)
The Compost columnist Eugene Robinson reckons the number of Americans who need to be deprogrammed is in the “millions.” .
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An attorney for PBS was caught on camera saying the children of Trump supporters should be taken away from their parents and put in reeducation camps.
PBS attorney fired after video shows him pushing for 're-education camps' for Trump voters | WCTI (wcti12.com)
All of which should both scare and arouse everyone. It is surely one of those issues that we can unite around. There's not much worse than the government thinking it can tell us what to believe.
let's move to Pittsburgh where every school in surrounding districts are open except Pittsburgh . There the teacher's unions are demanding that all teachers are vaccinated before returning to class. In a letter to school board president Sylvia Wilson, the union executive committee said: “Overall, we find that our membership is anxious to get back to their students, but they want to do it safely, once they have been vaccinated with both doses of either the Moderna or Pfizer vaccine.” Pittsburgh Public Schools is considering moving back the start day again .... this time until April 6. But you know that there is no way all the teacher's in the district will get both doses of vaccine unless they cut in line of others who's life could depend on it .
Salena Zito reports about Lena Carson who was pulling straight A’s at the city’s Creative and Performing Arts Magnet school before the pandemic. But now her straight A’s have dipped to D’s, and Lena says she struggles to complete assignments, not because she can’t but because of the lost will. “I have nothing to look forward to,” she said.
SALENA ZITO: The kids are not all right | Salena Zito | martinsvillebulletin.comQuote:
The hardest part for her is all of the false starts. “Four times over the past year, we’ve been told we were going back, given a date, and then a few days before, and sometimes a day before, we are supposed to get to the classroom, they abruptly change the rules,” she said.
The Dems say to follow the science . The science says that it is safer to be in school then many activities teachers routinely participate in . Schools have not been the super spreader locations that they were predicted to be .The teachers that have preexisting conditions can get their vaccination now . The rest of them should shut up and get in line like the rest of us ;and go to work .Most of the rest of the country does not get paid to park themselves on a comfortable chair at home pretending to work . It is a disservice to the students and to the parents who's taxes pay their salaries
Rift appears between parents, staff before Pittsburgh Public Schools reopening vote | Pittsburgh Post-Gazette (post-gazette.com)Quote:
Hannah Bedeck, a sophomore at CAPA 6-12, said as the district approaches the one-year mark of online learning, it has become increasingly difficult for students to maintain a positive mindset and healthy work ethic.
She expressed concern that her virtual education has not met the standard that it would have had she been in school.
“Though we are still attending class in some aspect, the curricula are nowhere near as rigorous as they would have been in person,” she said. “Without midterms and other benchmarks, we are not held to the same academic standards as we would have been otherwise.”
Sad that we sit back and watch these lazy buzzards act in a way that makes one thing very clear. They believe school systems exist primarily to benefit the teachers, and in particular the liberal dem teachers who belong to a union. So the students are the ones suffering, along with their parents, while the teachers are having what amounts to an extended vacation. Just more evidence of a lazy, distracted electorate.
Geez Tom if this pandemic and the response to it has traumatized adults and parents then it's no wonder the kids are suffering too. Doesn't matter where you go, it's the same everywhere. Heck half the population was traumatized by the dufus before the frigging pandemic.
4 years of hollering screaming chaos will do that. Not going quietly and gracefully into the sunset doesn't help anyone either.
Trump's legal team has effectively destroyed the liberal dems kangaroo court impeachment case, and the vote Monday will be far short of the votes needed, so what happens next? Will there be a move to borrow more money to send checks to people who don't need it?
didn't happen . Even the Dems realized they have more important things to do.
so you can't answer why every other district surrounding Pittsburgh is open for business ;but not Pittsburgh .
They put Beutler's story on the record and moved to close and vote, but all the big city schools will be opening like the smaller burbs soon. What? You going to beetch about dem cities one by one? In another few weeks you'll run out of that talking point.
in the aggregate this proves that the Dems don't care as much about doing things "for the Children " as they proclaim . Even Quid in the end is going to have to put the unions in their place.
We know you repubs never cared about the kids either and that was before covid so keep it real. With all this school choice crap, I haven't heard a peep about the majority with NO choice.
I'm all ears!
umm it is the Dems and their allies in the teacher's unions that prevent school choice .
The real reason teachers' unions oppose charter schools - The Center for Education Reform (edreform.com)
News - Unions Deploy Teacher Strikes to Stop School Choice | Heartland Institute
Congress Blocks School Choice in New Stimulus Package – Reason.com
Thwarted by Congress, DeVos Seeks School Choice With Grants - Roll Call
I don't know if you have answered my question about what of the kids who are left behind. I can respect your dislike of unions but my focus is the actual kids and that involves school boards and governance more than the teachers and unions. I don't know if the charter schools deliver on any greater education levels as public schools but do cherry pick the cream of the crop. I suppose there are charter schools for poor kids but if not then school choice sounds like rebranding separate but equal, with kids being a commodity rather than a resource. Not saying I'm against private, parochial, or even charter schools great if you can afford it, but what of those that cannot?
Funny thing about unions - the mere threat makes corporations improve working conditions for its employees. Win-win.
Tal are kids being left behind in the public school system ? Are you conceding that system is a failure ? if so then why are you so opposed to trying something that has a demonstrated record of success? We have gone over funding options a thousand times with vouchers and grants . The opposition only protects the status quo .
irrelevant to the discussion .We are talking about public unions that get their benefits out of the taxpayer's pockets . Even Roosevelt opposed public unions .Quote:
Funny thing about unions - the mere threat makes corporations improve working conditions for its employees. Win-win.
Never fought a teachers union for leaving kids behind. It's always a school board or district that's the real culprit. You know the bean counters that make policy. That makes your union argument a distracting straw argument to hide the real issues. I could care less about how Roosevelt felt about public unions.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Next you'll tell me that school choice doesn't take money out the tax payers pockets. Your links say otherwise.
I know from attending a parochial school myself, teaching in one, and sending my kids to one that the congregation will give financial aid to any family that is willing to participate in the life of the church and support the school in various non-financial ways.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Charter schools are typically funded by the state. A voucher system would not be any more expensive, but would allow lower income kids the opportunity to attend good schools that they do not presently have. It would start a revolution in education and give parents the chance to be in charge of their children's education.
Getting rid of a lot of federal and state nonsensical regs would help a great deal as well.
Wonder where poor states like yours finds the money to give all the poor kids vouchers when guys like you are already beetching about people taking your money. You got enough charter school desks for those kids?
What regs are so ridiculous they should go? Easy enough to make a blanket statement but backing it up with actual numbers requires more.
You don't understand how they operate . How do public schools gets desks ? .....through taxes ....just like charters . Charter schools are all part of the public system . The only difference is that they are non-profit privately operated .They do not charge tuition .
They have the ability to build the classroom they way they want to designed for the needs of their pupils and unencumbered by silly rules that teacher's unions demand of the public school system.
Exactly correct. They still are encumbered with many silly regs that public schools are subject to, but do have a great deal more autonomy. More than anything, they have the enormous benefit of a student body whose parents have made the decision of sending their kids to that school and are thus pretty well vested.
Nice try wingers, but I asked for specifics not general platitudes and since neither of you understands the funding mechanism differences between private and public, maybe asking for specific regs you object to is a bit beyond your abilities....my bad! I've actually posted links in both regards but reading ain't the strong suit, and comprehension isn't either. Can't fault you for that or ignorance of the law but some meaningful study may help the dialogue and avoid the usual ideological rock throwing.
Humor me!
if you don't understand that Charters are public and not private then you are the one with comprehension issues .
You asked " You got enough charter school desks for those kids?" and my reply was correctly that Charters have exactly the same funding as other public schools . Now since I pay taxes to fund the public system . I would prefer parents have choices as to where they send their kids . Many Black parents feel the same way . For one thing ,it is more likely that their children will have a Black teacher . .Black Students in Charter Schools Are More Likely to Have Black Teachers (edweek.org)Quote:
The findings show that traditional public schools and charter schools serve the same proportion of black students, but charter schools have about 35 percent more black teachers. Black students in charter schools are more than 50 percent more likely to have at least one black teacher than their counterparts in traditional public schools,
The idea that black kids need black teachers is nothing more than an old wives tale. It has been disproven for years. Black kids are like all kids. What they really need are caring, competent teachers. Color is not significant.
I know what charter schools are, Do-charter-schools-get-better-academic-results-than-public-schoolsƒ.pdf (networkforpubliceducation.org)
Five Differences between Charter and Public Schools – Rhodes School For The Performing Arts
What do you do with the kids who cannot get into that school of choice which was my original question.Quote:
How Many Students can be Admitted?
For public schools, this is also dependent on the situation of the school and its district. Public schools are not allowed to turn students away, even if the school is at full capacity. When the school exceeds the set capacity, students are still allowed a place at the school. Open enrollment schools allow parents to apply to them, even if they aren’t in the same district. Open enrollment schools do not offer children admittance, even if it is a school of their choice, once the school is full. Children who don’t get admitted have to choose a neighboring school. Public schools, once they exceed capacity, employ more teachers to meet the growing demand. This will keep happening as more children apply. Charter schools admit based on a threshold. These schools are designed to be a bit more personal, thus the students admitted are limited. However, if the schools exceed a threshold, a lottery system is implemented.
you do what you have always done, send them to the local school
It is a rising tide raises all boats . The competition from charters on traditional public schools increases performance results in the traditional schools . I really don't understand the opposition . Charters were ideas that Bubba and the emperor were all on board with . It really is in concept a progressive one . Actually I do know the issue . The lib think tank AIE states that 87percent or more of the political contributions made by staff at education-reform organizations over the past decade were given to Democratic candidates. “The leading participants inthe school-reform ‘wars’ are mostly engaged in an intramural brawl, one between union allied Democrats and a strand of progressive Democrats more intent on changing school systems.
Education Reform’s Deep Blue Hue - Education Next
The problem becomes that the teacher's unions have increased their strangle hold on the issue stifling the competition that school reform needs to succeed
I don't have much hope for the system because of the power exercised by unions and liberal power groups. That's why I would like to see the whole thing privatized. Give each student a voucher and let them go where the parent/parents choose.
I say the same thing about non unions and conservative power groups. If all schools were high quality then no need for private/charter schools or vouchers to better ones.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
And how can we accomplish that?Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Eliminate the poverty that makes the poor schools raggedy.
And better teacher training? Safer, better constructed schools?Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
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