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Sites are still privately owned and as such well within their rights to be run by their own Terms of Service and how they see fit.
Facebook is well known for it's moderating style, while user driven, the results tend on the draconian side.
Intent vs the letter can be very different things and that is what keeps many Judges and lawyers employed.
Yes there is intent and unintended consequences . When unintended consequences are harmful then the issue needs reexamination.
Re examination of policy and practice often involves courts and lawyers and even lawmakers but it seems market forces are quicker. Only took a few days for big tech to act on the events of Jan. 6th.
seems like the suppression of conservative thought is an international issue .
Parler attracted senior members of the UK government before it shut down, according to reports (msn.com)
I have been unsuccessful at opening Parler's web site until today. Today I got this message .....Parler Status UpdatesQuote:
Now seems like the right time to remind you all — both lovers and haters — why we started this platform. We believe privacy is paramount and free speech essential, especially on social media. Our aim has always been to provide a nonpartisan public square where individuals can enjoy and exercise their rights to both.
We will resolve any challenge before us and plan to welcome all of you back soon. We will not let civil discourse perish!
What America refers to as conservative and what the UK does are very different things...
I wouldn't place too much credence on this "report", after all many people joined Parler after 6th Jan to see what utterances Mr Orange was going to make next.
Interesting that they classed themselves as nonpartisan.
Parlar is about the money and nothing wrong with that, but the real issue is the policy of those they depend on to do business, and they have a right to a day in court. I don't buy the right to make money without responsibility for those unintended consequences though.
I ain't buying Toms conservative discrimination views either simply because conservative numbers depend on embracing their loony fringe brethren, and maybe not vocally, but silently, and must acknowledge the same liberal dilemma with the left and it's fringers. To be fair though conservatives (And liberals) do condemn violence and criminality as they seek distance and difference from the fringes, though neither side wants to admit it enough.
Unfortunately loonies on both sides are part of the public citizenry, free to shout and holler and gratefully are subject to the same laws everybody is. At least in theory. Obviously there is big money in marketing loony stuff. Who can resist?
Tal even here you would be considered conservative, you would not have embraced the left end of our politics, they are union controlled or more green than grass wanting to ban everything. Our conservatives maintain a public health system, keep taxes low, balance budgets now and again, have a wholistic approach to covid and would be considered leftist in the USQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
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I ain't buying Toms conservative discrimination views
First use the fake news to sell to the country that White Supremist terrorism is the # one threat to the nation .Then conflate with a broad brush conservatives with white supremacism
Finally use censorship, boycotts and public shaming to punish any conservative thought . I already detailed how big tech is playing that card .
Now they want to ban books too .
https://www.lacortenews.com/n/hundre...by-trump-admin
Yep. That's been the game plan. Accuse conservatives of villainy, and then take away their ability to defend themselves. Online conservative news outlets and evangelical churches will be in the spotlight next.Quote:
First use the fake news to sell to the country that White Supremist terrorism is the # one threat to the nation .Then conflate with a broad brush conservatives with white supremacism
Finally use censorship, boycotts and public shaming to punish any conservative thought . I already detailed how big tech is playing that card .
Nice spin, but isn't that the free marketers putting the whammy on the dufus? I don't think it has anything to do with quashing "conservatives". Or maybe conservatives need a better spokesman than the dufus.
Born and raised Republican,
I sure don't know what's going on!
For certain, an overarching greed
That encourages unnecessary need --
Opportunists pretend to be protesters,
Leaving on society a huge wound that festers.
Will Biden reframe our deadly dance?
Let's at least give him a chance!
74 million may not agree, but 80 million are hopeful....and relieved.
You mean like former democrat pols such as Jane Harmon (worth 500 mil), John Kerry (250 mil), Al Gore (300 mil), Jon Corzine (350 mil), Maria Shriver (200 mil), Hillary Clinton (120 mil), and Nancy Pelosi (120 mil)?Quote:
Born and raised Republican,
I sure don't know what's going on!
For certain, an overarching greed
That encourages unnecessary need --
And that doesn't include Michael Bloomberg, Tom Steyer, and George Soros. And then consider that forty-one out of the fifty wealthiest congressional districts are represented by Democrats.
Funny how, when BLM protests caused 2 bil in damages and 30 deaths, and led to over 2,000 injured cops, that you could only protest the ONE conservative protest that turned violent.Quote:
Opportunists pretend to be protesters,
Leaving on society a huge wound that festers.
I wonder if the three amigos said the same thing about Trump four years ago?Quote:
Will Biden reframe our deadly dance?
Let's at least give him a chance!
Why is that and why can't repubs make their congressional districts wealthy? Incompetence?Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
A simple case of conflation and lies since it's YOU that cannot tell the difference between peaceful protestors and criminals. Very different from the dems going after rioters and criminals and not peaceful conservatives who didn't break the law.Quote:
Funny how, when BLM protests caused 2 bil in damages and 30 deaths, and led to over 2,000 injured cops, that you could only protest the ONE conservative protest that turned violent.
I wonder if the three amigos said the same thing about Trump four years ago?
Obviously you cannot fathom the difference, and probably never will. Really a sad case that leads to confusion between reality and BS. (Is the term BS an offensive booty reference too?).
nope it is monopolistic practices by denying access to the market .Quote:
Nice spin, but isn't that the free marketers putting the whammy on the dufus?
Now cable news is getting in the act with CNN trying to deny Newsmax a platform.
"These companies have freedom of speech, but I'm not sure we need Verizon, AT&T, Comcast, and such bringing them into tens of millions of homes."
How to cover the information crisis — and curb it (cnn.com)
I was upset when Airhead America Radio went down. But they went down because they could not compete in the arena of ideas . No conservative was pushing to get them off air . In fact I really enjoyed content like the stuff Randi Rhodes ,Rachel Madcow ,Lionel ,Ron Reagan and Thom Hartmann brought to the table. It enriches the debate . The left only wants to stifle it .
It's what you do when you cannot win honest debate. You simply try to silence the other side. Not gonna work.
I was all for a successful businessman taking hold and improving our lives vs. the same old-same old politics.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
CNN Pushes to Close Down Newsmax TV | Newsmax.comQuote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Let 'em fight it out.
Was it the left stifling progressive radio, or market forces and lousy management? Many of the above are still around, and the branding was purchased after bankruptcy. You know NORMAL business.Quote:
I was upset when Airhead America Radio went down. But they went down because they could not compete in the arena of ideas . No conservative was pushing to get them off air . In fact I really enjoyed content like the stuff Randi Rhodes ,Rachel Madcow ,Lionel ,Ron Reagan and Thom Hartmann brought to the table. It enriches the debate . The left only wants to stifle it .
Air America (radio network) - Wikipedia
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The company eventually changed its name from Air America Radio to Air America Media and lastly to just Air America, an effort to establish itself as a broadcaster on multiple media sources including television and the Internet, and one not merely relegated to radio. Always primarily a radio network, on January 21, 2010, Air America went off the air citing difficulties with the current economic environment. It filed for Chapter 7 bankruptcy and liquidated itself. Bennett Zier was the company's last CEO including through the bankruptcy and liquidation.
Sometime after the network's closure, Newsweb Corporation (owned by Chicago entrepreneur, political activist, and philanthropist Fred Eychaner and owner of Chicago's WCPT progressive talk radio station) acquired ownership of the branding.
Nice to see you admit that Trump was a successful businessman.Quote:
I was all for a successful businessman taking hold and improving our lives vs. the same old-same old politics
Was for a short time....Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
I figured you wouldn't be able to stand it.
Where to begin, where to begin to list the failures....Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
What really bothered me was his mimicking during the campaign of the disabled reporter and his disrespect toward the Gold Star parents.
His basic cruelty may be joined by new insights into his business practices through state investigations. We know he lies a lot, and maybe we should see if he is indeed a good business guy through legit means.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Seems we should have answered that question definitively 4 years ago. Even repubs didn't like him back then.
Record low unemployment? Solid economic growth? Moving our embassy to Jerusalem? Appointing quality SCOTUS justices? Drawing down our troop deployments overseas? Not starting any new wars? Keeping a rein on Iran and N. Korea? 7 million new jobs? Great increase in manufacturing jobs? The number of people claiming unemployment insurance as a share of the population hitting its lowest on record? Income inequality falling for two straight years, and by the largest amount in over a decade? The bottom 50 percent of American households seeing a 40 percent increase in net worth? 16% increase in pay for low income workers? Greatest GDP in one quarter ever recorded?Quote:
Where to begin, where to begin to list the failures....
Are those the failures you are referring to?
There isn't enough room here to post his failures.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
OK with me.Quote:
There isn't enough room here to post his failures.
They couldn't compete in the market of ideas . That is not the case with Newsmax. Their ratings and market share grows daily . That is the reason why CNN wants to deny them a platformQuote:
Was it the left stifling progressive radio, or market forces and lousy management?
as to your question about the market place ; this is what Parler has to do since they are denied by the cartel any access to the market place .
First it would have to create their own Amazon Web service to host their site .
Then they would have to build their own Google like search site for people to find it . Then build their own phone company for people to download their app. Only after those 3 operations are up and running could they begin to compete with Twitter . and that assumes you can use existing infrastructure like satellite transmission services and optic cable .
on the black list front .... John Eastman ,a lawyer who both represented Trump in his legal challenges to the election, as well as gave a public speech in support of Trump at the rally "retired " from Chapman University after 169 faculty members pressured U President Daniele Struppa to fire him for exercising his free speech .
Struppa wrote in a statement Jan 8 that Eastman having “a role in the tragic events in Washington, D.C., that jeopardized our democracy. … Eastman’s actions are in direct opposition to the values and beliefs of our institution. He has now put Chapman in the position of being publicly disparaged for the actions of a single faculty member, and for what many call my failure to punish and fire him”.
Struppa who did not want to fire Eastman bowed to the pressure .
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Without warning the marketing heads of the corporation that manages the radio stations that air the conservative Robert Pratt on Texas radio show for the past fifteen years announced they were cancelling the program, despite its profitable status and high ratings.
McCarthyism at work again. No doubt the tolerant liberal dems will rise up against this persecution.
After 4 long years of the dufus insidious lies BS and antics it's no wonder big biz wants to clean house and get about making money under new management which has officially turned the page by will of the people.
Fringers just need to figure it out without the steady diet of red meat from the defeated deposed dufus.
Josh Hawley is the next on the cancel culture hit list . He dared question some election irregularities in the halls of the Senate . He asked for some investigations before the vote was certified . For that heinous crime he is now a marked man .
Simone and Shuster has cancelled a book deal with him .Ironically Hawley ,a former prosecutor's book is an expose on hi tech . In ' The Tyranny of Big Tech';he argues that these hi tech monopolies threatens our republican form of government .
Before Simon & Schuster’s announcement, Hawley had denounced the violence of Jan 6 . Too late . the publisher had already prejudged Hawley and found him guilty .
But that is not all . Loews corp ;a hotel management company has decided to cancel a planned fundraising event for the senator. In a statement the company said "We are horrified and opposed to the events at the Capitol and all who supported and incited the actions. In light of those events and for the safety of our guests and team members, we have informed the host of the Feb. fundraiser that it will no longer be held at Loews Hotels".
Simply raising questions about vote irregularities is now an act of violence and insurrection
Hawley did a lot more than that, and you know damn well that he did.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
He was the first senator to loudly proclaim that Trump's nonsense theory of having the election stolen was promoted by him.
On the day when the electoral votes were tallied and Hawley filed his objections, a mob motivated by the belief that the 2020 election was stolen stormed the United States Capitol.
Hawley helped popularize and legitimize the conspiracy theory that motivated the mob. Pols from both sides of the aisle alleged that he bore moral responsibility for the storming of the Capitol and the five deaths it caused.
They argued that Hawley should resign or be expelled from the Senate.
Tom, why do you continue with your lies and half-truths? Your Repubs can't get away with it anymore. There's just way too much true info out there - mass media and the huge library that we call the Internet. Your once-proud party is becoming swamped by the fringe far-right.
They should tread carefully. Sow the wind, reap a whirlwind.Quote:
Simply raising questions about vote irregularities is now an act of violence and insurrection
Hawley raised questions in the format prescribed by the laws of the United States about the way elections were conducted in the state of Pennsylvania, just as Democrats did about other states in 01, 05, and 17.Quote:
Hawley did a lot more than that, and you know damn well that he did.
He was the first senator to loudly proclaim that Trump's nonsense theory of having the election stolen was promoted by him.
On the day when the electoral votes were tallied and Hawley filed his objections, a mob motivated by the belief that the 2020 election was stolen stormed the United States Capitol.
I really don't care what "pols from both sides of the aisle " think ;nor what you think .Quote:
Hawley helped popularize and legitimize the conspiracy theory that motivated the mob. Pols from both sides of the aisle alleged that he bore moral responsibility for the storming of the Capitol and the five deaths it caused.
They argued that Hawley should resign or be expelled from the Senate.
Tom, why do you continue with your lies and half-truths? Your Repubs can't get away with it anymore. There's just way too much true info out there - mass media and the huge library that we call the Internet. Your once-proud party is becoming swamped by the fringe far-right.
You are a patient man, Tom.
Tom, that's been obvious ever since you showed up here. You forgot to add that you also don't care what the truth is. The truth shall set you free tom, from that prison you've locked yourself into.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
When do the violins start playing?Quote:
The truth shall set you free tom, from that prison you've locked yourself into.
Funny how after two months of hollering foul about the elections, the evidence points to the fairest, most participated election in recent history. Those who believe otherwise seem to be outvoted and a minority...and LIED to. Mr. Hawley seems to be one of those doing the lying, or repeating the lies of the ex liar in chief. Contrary to popular RW fringer belief and orthodoxy lies have consequences, as does defending those liars.
Hawley argued that Congress should "investigate allegations of voter fraud and adopt measures to secure the integrity of our elections. But Congress has so far failed to act."
He did not make any of the suggestions that the President's team was making .
Sen . D+ck Durbin denounced Hawley's objection saying he was howling at the moon . But in 2017 this is what Durbin said about Boxer's objections to Trump electors .....
"I thank her for doing that because it gives members an opportunity once again on a bipartisan basis to look at a challenge that we face not just in the last election in one State but in many States,"
Sen. Chris Van Hollen made a similar comment about Boxer's objections .....
"I believe that Barbara Boxer, D-Calif., and Representative Stephanie Tubbs Jones, D-Ohio, have performed a very valuable public service in bringing this debate before the Congress. As Americans, we should all be troubled by reports of voting problems in many parts of the country,"
Of Howley's objection he said .
He’s attempting to undermine our democratic process...and his objections were a reckless stunt .
But evidently Boxer's wasn't a reckless stunt . It was in fact a legitimate part of the process .
Now was Boxer LYING; was Durbin LYING ,was Hollen LYING ????
You guys throw that lie word around way too much . It is an easy smear for you to use . It takes no effort on your part to write that 3 letter word .
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